Climate Change

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Originally Posted by baron

I subscribe to both while back for pictures and toilet reading-
You usually want to wipe w the things though ,instead of reading them

One Skiing article actually suggested -Stealing poles >I sure some skiers remember that shame

I love how they mostly feature amenities to sell you, and the highest price equipments

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eh powder occasionally has some really good shit in there. I like the jaded local in particular (mainly because I constantly finding myself relating) and i'm a big fan of drew tabke, so i enjoy his writings. though I don't subscribe to either magazines anymore. and I seriously can't get Ski magazine to stop sending me their publications though I do love reading their tips from the pros for some reason ha, not that I, the best skier on the mountain, needs any tips from some 'pro.'

I agree skiing and freeskiing are both complete garbage.

ski journalism is basically just a big circle jerk. the magazines are funded by ski resorts and companies, so they have very little incentive to shit on each other. shit most pro athletes contracts are written to get them more money based on them getting into said publications.

WHICH IS WHY I FIND THIS ARTICLE SO INTRIGUING..... a ski publication is basically going against the grain and shitting on a bunch of their advertisers to bring awareness to the sleeping elephant in the room....CLIMATE CHANGE. I APPLAUD POWDER FOR TRYING TO BRING THIS ISSUE TO THE FOREFRONT AND EXPOSE THE SKI INDUSTRY FOR GIVING TWO SHITS THAT THEIR INDUSTRY IS DYING.

this is the main issue, most agree that climate change is occurring but an individual does not have enough of an impact to make a difference and the corporations that run our country view any progress towards renewable energy as a threat to their industry and politicians are too tied up in corporate money to take a stand.... BASICALLY our species is fucked, but our lifespans are too short to see the outcome so you can call me chicken little because neither of us will be around for the demise. but the rising temps don't lie and neither do the extinction rates that are currently occurring on our planet. by the time, homo sapiens as a whole get around to realizing what has happened it will be too late to reverse it.

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Originally Posted by BRUTAH

eh powder occasionally has some really good shit in there. I like the jaded local in particular (mainly because I constantly finding myself relating) and i'm a big fan of drew tabke, so i enjoy his writings. though I don't subscribe to either magazines anymore. and I seriously can't get Ski magazine to stop sending me their publications though I do love reading their tips from the pros for some reason ha, not that I, the best skier on the mountain, needs any tips from some 'pro.'

I agree skiing and freeskiing are both complete garbage.

ski journalism is basically just a big circle jerk. the magazines are funded by ski resorts and companies, so they have very little incentive to shit on each other. shit most pro athletes contracts are written to get them more money based on them getting into said publications.

WHICH IS WHY I FIND THIS ARTICLE SO INTRIGUING..... a ski publication is basically going against the grain and shitting on a bunch of their advertisers to bring awareness to the sleeping elephant in the room....CLIMATE CHANGE. I APPLAUD POWDER FOR TRYING TO BRING THIS ISSUE TO THE FOREFRONT AND EXPOSE THE SKI INDUSTRY FOR GIVING TWO SHITS THAT THEIR INDUSTRY IS DYING.

this is the main issue, most agree that climate change is occurring but an individual does not have enough of an impact to make a difference and the corporations that run our country view any progress towards renewable energy as a threat to their industry and politicians are too tied up in corporate money to take a stand.... BASICALLY our species is fucked, but our lifespans are too short to see the outcome so you can call me chicken little because neither of us will be around for the demise. but the rising temps don't lie and neither do the extinction rates that are currently occurring on our planet. by the time, homo sapiens as a whole get around to realizing what has happened it will be too late to reverse it.

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That was a lot of words but a good read and you nailed it.

I have a theory about climate change: most people think about it but get all excited when it's 75 and sunny in late fall/winter or early spring in places like NYC, Boston or Chicago. They, in turn, actually like that it's so nice and don't think to worry or take it more seriously. 75° at a Nov baseball game in Cleveland? Bring it on!

I agree there is definitely something to that psychology. What do we need bad winters for anyway?!?! I would wager some global politics fuckheads think thinning icecap may be a strategic advantage as well.

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Originally Posted by BRUTAH

eh powder occasionally has some really good shit in there. I like the jaded local in particular (mainly because I constantly finding myself relating) and i'm a big fan of drew tabke, so i enjoy his writings. though I don't subscribe to either magazines anymore. and I seriously can't get Ski magazine to stop sending me their publications though I do love reading their tips from the pros for some reason ha, not that I, the best skier on the mountain, needs any tips from some 'pro.'

I agree skiing and freeskiing are both complete garbage.

ski journalism is basically just a big circle jerk. the magazines are funded by ski resorts and companies, so they have very little incentive to shit on each other. shit most pro athletes contracts are written to get them more money based on them getting into said publications.

WHICH IS WHY I FIND THIS ARTICLE SO INTRIGUING..... a ski publication is basically going against the grain and shitting on a bunch of their advertisers to bring awareness to the sleeping elephant in the room....CLIMATE CHANGE. I APPLAUD POWDER FOR TRYING TO BRING THIS ISSUE TO THE FOREFRONT AND EXPOSE THE SKI INDUSTRY FOR GIVING TWO SHITS THAT THEIR INDUSTRY IS DYING.

this is the main issue, most agree that climate change is occurring but an individual does not have enough of an impact to make a difference and the corporations that run our country view any progress towards renewable energy as a threat to their industry and politicians are too tied up in corporate money to take a stand.... BASICALLY our species is fucked, but our lifespans are too short to see the outcome so you can call me chicken little because neither of us will be around for the demise. but the rising temps don't lie and neither do the extinction rates that are currently occurring on our planet. by the time, homo sapiens as a whole get around to realizing what has happened it will be too late to reverse it.

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lot of good shit in there. have been curious if peeps think we are the point of no return. sure seems like it.

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Originally Posted by getoutside

lot of good shit in there. have been curious if peeps think we are the point of no return. sure seems like it.

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Many of the experts feel we are on the edge but may not have gone over it yet:
"Will Trump go down in history as the man who pulled the plug on a livable climate?
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-vict...299#.ba0168fxw

Falling off the edge means no more livable climate. Skiing is going to take a big hit no matter what we do.

Agree on kudos to Powder and to Porter Fox, the author. Porter is an editor at Powder and yet has written a book called "Deep, the Story of Skiing and the Future of Snow" about climate change and skiing. As he says, skiing isn't the most important issue of climate change but if people like us, skiers, realize what is happening to our snow maybe that will motivate us to change to protect something we love.

Good on him for calling out ski industry execs. They need to be publicly embarrassed to the point they start acting responsibly. Most of them are no doubt old white dudes who will be long gone when there is no more skiing, so they just don't give a fuck. Shameful.

He's a good dude who ski bummed in Jackson years ago when I was there.

I got an idea gents:

Stop giving Vail your business
Tour more
Buy less fucking skis

Use less, vote with your wallet & you are doing what you can. If you're not willing to do that, stfu and adapt

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Originally Posted by Bromontana

Buy less fucking skis

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Woah woah woah

Haha, I thought of you after typing that. Conservation has many forms!

Less tv
Less product
More focus on experience
Less impact on the canvas

I take all my plastic bags and shred them up into fine dust then sprinkle them about in the backcountry so they can become part of the earth again. #ecowarrior

I'm glad to see awareness brought to this issue as well, in any form. It does seem to blow my mind that this isn't more of a concern to any business that bases its product off cold temperatures and frozen water. I would guess that like any big corporation they are supporting politicians and policies that won't require them to provide basic benefits to their workers, equal pay for their staff, paying their fair share of the impact their business has on public roads and infrastructure and of course paying higher wages to the seasonal staff they employ each year (I'm sure you could add many more "job creating" bullshit policies to this list). They don't seem to mind that those politicians also will vote for and support policy and industry that is causing the decline and ultimate death of their industry.

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Originally Posted by BRUTAH

this is the main issue, most agree that climate change is occurring but an individual does not have enough of an impact to make a difference and the corporations that run our country view any progress towards renewable energy as a threat to their industry and politicians are too tied up in corporate money to take a stand.... BASICALLY our species is fucked, but our lifespans are too short to see the outcome so you can call me chicken little because neither of us will be around for the demise. but the rising temps don't lie and neither do the extinction rates that are currently occurring on our planet. by the time, homo sapiens as a whole get around to realizing what has happened it will be too late to reverse it.

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In New Zealand I think we are already seeing a massive effect on the ski industry. We don't get a lot of snow on the mountains and so notice it when the fields can't upen until mid winter because they only have 30 cm of snow. The problem at the moment is that skiing is just an activity that people do for fun, and doesn't affect most people's daily lives. The worst thing is that we can see it happening, but it doesn't affect enough people and therefore nothing gets done.

Earth has it's hottest year in the last couple thousand years, for the third year in a row. http://www.nbcnews.com/science/scien...w-noaa-n708386

we could not have better evidence of the complete selfishness and incompetence of u.s. adults since at least the greatest generation.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...incart_gallery



"I am extremely concerned about climate change," Clark, 12, told the committees.

"I have read reports from the IPCC, the EPA and NASA," he continued, "and they all point to effects such as crop failure, collapse of the ecosystem, diseases like malaria and Zika that are carried by mosquitoes, droughts, wildfires, floods, hurricanes, sea level rise resulting in millions of climate refugees and economy collapse and a world not suitable for life and that's not a pessimistic view."

When someone in the audience chuckled after that line, Clark pressed on, undeterred. "That sounds more like an apocalypse than my future," he said. "But it is my future."

His dad, Chris Clark, said over email that Jeremy Clark has been fighting climate change since he read a National Geographic article on the subject in fourth grade. When he was in fifth grade, he and his friend, Charlie Abrams, started the environmentalist blog Two Green Leaves.

In 2016, Abrams and Clark lobbied their state representatives, asking them to pass "the healthy climate bill" in Oregon.

Near the end of his testimony, Clark, who attends Northwest Academy, told the committees, "When most of the people in this room were a kid they didn't have to worry about things like that, but I do."

"I know that I can't enforce that you do this," he finished. "But I urge that you do for the general welfare of citizens."

Brad Reed, spokesperson for Renew Oregon said over email Friday, "Jeremy was one of more than 60 people and experts to testify in favor of the bills."

Reed said the only person to testify against the bills was "a lobbyist from an industries group, who had the unfortunate timing of having to testify immediately after Jeremy."

At the end of Clark's testimony, someone can be heard commenting to the lobbyist, "You can follow that act."

"No kidding," the lobbyist replies.

Scott Pruitt's office deluged with angry callers after he questions the science of global warming
https://news.google.com/news/amp?cau...f-e8c79ac2f80c

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt’s phones have been ringing off the hook — literally — since he questioned the link between human activity and climate change.

The calls to Pruitt’s main line, 202-564-4700, reached such a high volume by Friday that agency officials created an impromptu call center, according to three agency employees. The officials asked for anonymity out of fear of retaliation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...s-own-website/

Meanwhile, dumbass Pruitt says that he doesn't think humans are the primary cause of climate change but offers zero evidence for his position. Does he have new physics to disagree with the greehouse theory? Does he not think that human pollution causes co2 increases in the atmosphere?

This is interesting

https://www.usgs.gov/news/ocean-abso...-methane-seeps

Quite interesting. Much of the literature shows the oceans are reaching the limit of their ability to absorb CO2.

Gotta wonder if conditions in high latitude have an impact on co2 uptake

Warmer waters have a decreased capacity to absorb CO2

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCarbon/

Looks like Trump is pulling out of the Paris agreement

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Originally Posted by steepconcrete

Looks like Trump is pulling out of the Paris agreement

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Fucking asshole

Should poor people in developing countries be denied the opportunity to improve their lot if it conflicts with global climate change initiatives? If people in developing economies refuse to sacrifice, rendering the overall global effort ineffective, should people in 1st world countries be prepared to sacrifice anyway?

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Originally Posted by rsknight1

Should poor people in developing countries be denied the opportunity to improve their lot if it conflicts with global climate change initiatives? If people in developing economies refuse to sacrifice, rendering the overall global effort ineffective, should people in 1st world countries be prepared to sacrifice anyway?

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Somebody needs to google the numbers from India, China, and Africa with regard to leap frogging.

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Originally Posted by rsknight1

Should poor people in developing countries be denied the opportunity to improve their lot if it conflicts with global climate change initiatives? If people in developing economies refuse to sacrifice, rendering the overall global effort ineffective, should people in 1st world countries be prepared to sacrifice anyway?

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Yes.

If we shit in the bed, the bed is full of shit. No one wants to sleep in a shitty bed.

And no poor people in developing countries are improving their lot in conflict with global climate change initiative. It is rich people in developing countries, or outside investors, who are improving their lot in conflict wit global climate change initiatives. And fuck those people. Their lot is fine enough.

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Originally Posted by rsknight1

Should poor people in developing countries be denied the opportunity to improve their lot if it conflicts with global climate change initiatives? If people in developing economies refuse to sacrifice, rendering the overall global effort ineffective, should people in 1st world countries be prepared to sacrifice anyway?

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Q: Who gets fucked the hardest in global climate change? A: generally, the people living near the equator.

Is that ^ the case? I thought I recall reading that the poles are the hardest hit

As polar ice melts continue to ramp and the concurrent rise in population continues equally unabated, the 'top fifty percent' will be defined as those standing on someone else's shoulders.

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/.../v1/800x-1.png

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Originally Posted by mooseknuckles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c&app=desktop

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^ this. wow. double wow.

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Originally Posted by steepconcrete

Is that ^ the case? I thought I recall reading that the poles are the hardest hit

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Depends on how you define hardest hit. Temperature change has been found to be strongest in the polar areas. Not a lot of people live in the polar areas compared to the tropics. How hard the hit is in human terms is mostly a question of vulnerability and resilience of human livelihoods and societies to environmental changes. The FAQ of the last IPCC report (Working Group 2) is a good place to start:
Every society is vulnerable to the impacts of climate change, but the nature of that vulnerability varies across regions and communities, over time, and depends on unique socioeconomic and other conditions. Poorer communities tend to be more vulnerable to loss of health and life, while wealthier communities usually have more economic assets at risk.

There is also a bunch of stuff like this showing global climate change vulnerability by various definitions if you google.

"it wanted plastic for itself"^

I find that video strange and the argument a deeply cynical one. Everything is all fucked up anyway so stop worrying! Also, I just so happen to live in a rich, first world country with a nice, middle-ground kinda climate. My life is not particularly vulnerable and at the same time very resilient to all the fucked up stuff.

It does not care about the plastic (one reason being that it is not sentient) but some people do make rather convincing arguments that large scale human suffering is not a desirable thing.

As far as simplified climate change messaging by celebrities goes, I prefer Arnold Schwarzenegger's approach.

^if i have drawn your ire,

i ain't about to be fucking w no klar, she brings the noise.

i can feel it

What draws my ire is our collective desire for simple answers to complicated questions and other creatures of fairytale that bring mostly imaginary noise.

fine, yes, we can have a child.

i love our pale blue dot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7NzjCmUf0&t=274s

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The mini ice age is coming and it's gonna hurt much much worse than any warming scenario. And guess what? Ain't nothing you can do about it. So listen to your NPR, bitch about Trump, go for a ride on your $7000 enduro, and keep pretending there's political solutions that will "save the world". Oh, and keep ignoring all the true atrocities happening across the globe because ZOMG!, I might have to deal with rising snow levels! THE HUMANITY!!!

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Originally Posted by BGnight

The mini ice age is coming and it's gonna hurt much much worse than any warming scenario. And guess what? Ain't nothing you can do about it. So listen to your NPR, bitch about Trump, go for a ride on your $7000 enduro, and keep pretending there's political solutions that will "save the world". Oh, and keep ignoring all the true atrocities happening across the globe because ZOMG!, I might have to deal with rising snow levels! THE HUMANITY!!!

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lol this is a great take. can I get an eta on that mini ice age? also looking for your compassionate solution to these true atrocities. thanks in advance bro.

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Originally Posted by BGnight

The mini ice age is coming and it's gonna hurt much much worse than any warming scenario. And guess what? Ain't nothing you can do about it. So listen to your NPR, bitch about Trump, go for a ride on your $7000 enduro, and keep pretending there's political solutions that will "save the world". Oh, and keep ignoring all the true atrocities happening across the globe because ZOMG!, I might have to deal with rising snow levels! THE HUMANITY!!!

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Too bad there is basically no reliable scientific evidence that we are heading into a little ice age.


But go ahead, keep spewing that Exxon mobile funded think-tank nonsense.

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Originally Posted by WTF is dat

Too bad there is basically no reliable scientific evidence that we are heading into a little ice age.


But go ahead, keep spewing that Exxon mobile funded think-tank nonsense.

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I honestly can't waste my time responding to someone who thinks any scientific evidence for climate change scenarios, that isn't based on AGW CO2 driven warming, must be concocted by big oil. That's very regressive thinking and is politicizing science as much as any right wing nutjob.

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Originally Posted by BGnight

I honestly can't waste my time responding to someone who thinks any scientific evidence for climate change scenarios, that isn't based on AGW CO2 driven warming, must be concocted by big oil. That's very regressive thinking and is politicizing science as much as any right wing nutjob.

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You're above that. We're not worthy