William = the man in black is what I'm rolling with right now. Would tie a lot of it together.
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William = the man in black is what I'm rolling with right now. Would tie a lot of it together.
Good question and, increasingly, that seems to be the point of the show. It is a puzzle as much as it is a narrative. Right off the bat, I noticed an odd lack of context to the setting and mistook it for a fault. But it's not. We were meant to pick up on that. The lack of a fixed where and when is part of the puzzle and also a cue that this is all a big puzzle. Personally, I think the show has been getting better as it starts to mess with our expectations and, imho, that's why the show may feel like it "is being made up as they go along." You aren't watching the linear show you expected. To me, it feels like there aren't many superfluous moments in the show. All the scenes have important information for the viewer, but teasing out what it is can be frustrating, to say the least. Basically, its like doing a puzzle without getting to look at the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by wicked_sick
Keep in mind that Jonathon Nolan (Christopher Nolan's brother) who wrote Memento is behind this and that movie was one long mindfuck playing with both time and memory. That narrative featured an unreliable narrator operating on false memories in two parallel timelines, one running forward and the other running in reverse. We may have something similar going on here with split timelines and "memory loops".
So , it's like telemarking, right?
Having major issues with the walking dead violence, and really am enjoying this show. For christ sakes, people, is just a story. On TV. and HBO has a pretty good track record when they are making big bets.
Those were super loops, not memory loops.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
Kind of hard to find the story so far, though, isn't it? We all know what it's fundamentally supposed to be - androids gaining sentience and what they do with it, but there seems to be so many detours, some of which could be entire storylines on their own, that it's somewhat distracting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MARSHALL TUCKER
Taken as a whole, there's no denying the quality throughout the show, there's just that little, minor issue of cohesion. I'm not saying it isn't credible - that claim has no relevance here. If you think things will eventually sort themselves out, however, I'm guessing you're going to be disappointed. There's still plenty of enjoyment to go around though.
Maybe a spoiler alert (not really), but looking forward to this episode from Sunday night. Through 3 ep's so next-ish? . Old enough to remember seeing original back in the day, but also old enough to not remember much. Need to re-visit it at some point.
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/west...on-1201905284/
The orgy scene was, 'meh'. It was so peripheral to the main characters I didn't really pay much mind to it.
Have some faith. Jonathon Nolan has a track record for writing meticulously crafted stuff. As I mentioned, he wrote his brother's break through film, Memento, and co-wrote The Prestige and two of the Dark Knight films. I seriously doubt he's going to pull a Lost on the audience. When you consider Christopher Nolan's Inception, as well, you can see the Nolans' films usually feature a central mystery and that they like to keep the audience a bit off-balance until the reveal. These are all films that can be watched more than once. Just sit back and try to follow the clues.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
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I actually think Westworld is better than Inception (so far) - better characters, scenery/setting (thought the morphing of the habit in Inception just became cartoonish and Matrix-like; oh and Dicaprio was incorrectly cast as the lead) but I definitely see your point.
People were fucking robots and you didn't care?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkhound Odin
wtf
Another Nolan theme I just thought of is that a lot of their characters have to pay a terrible price to achieve their goals. Already seeing hints of that in Westworld. I'm thinking the William, Dolores and Logan story line does not end well, for anyone, and the other story line is somehow based upon the repercussions of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
I am guessing 20W-50 would be the proper lubrication fwiw.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
I think I'd go with a good zero weight synthetic myself but to each his own.
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To give credit to the production staff, the robots did look like people, sort ofQuote:
Originally Posted by iceman
http://cdn-r1.unilad.co.uk/wp-conten...7936328403.jpg
oh, and I think the robots were mostly fucking each other
They actually did a great job on those robots, so lifelike.
Worst job of the future: Whoever has to clean the jizz outta the sexbots.
Pretty sure nanobots take care of that.
Nah, that's definitely part of the job for those maintenance staff assholes who we've seen way too much of so far. We get it: the hookerbot is going to kill one of those guys. Stop trying to make me care. Those guys are boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
Equivalent of a fry cook in year 2246Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Too many subplots.
Maybe they'll unite around the guy who is obviously not dead.
Careful ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirshredalot
Now that Maeve has her upgrades, she can track you over the internet with her mega brain power.
Seeing that Arnold created his family in robot form (and Ford is his son), the show went into creepy mode. I wonder what other familial robots are out there? Ford was sure surprised to find out his little robot self had the ability to lie.
Most recent episode was awesome. Lots happening.
Was that the original gunslinger (Brynner) in the fuzzy background when Bernard visited the basement? Wonder if the 'incident' 30yrs ago is reference to the original production.
First thing that came to my mind. Had to be a slight homage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCMountainHound
Me too - :"HEY, wait ....! Go back to that shot! YES It's Yul's hat!"
Oh shit. Good one tonight
Hell yeah. I had time on my hands, re-watched the previous six episodes and just finished 7. <possibly huge spoiler alert> following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soups
I'm not surprised about Bernard; the clues were a bit heavy-handed leading up to this but, all in all, job well done.
I'm still, at this point at least, thinking that we're not being fucked with totally anachronistically as far as the narrative goes. Unless there is a lot of voodoo, William is not the Man in Black; Dolores flashes back to the latter too much leading up to her loop breakout with William. I can't say for sure because part of my chronology was based upon the fact that there aren't hosts who are employees below ground... however, Nolan is clearly a narrative genius, so much so I think that he would have been bored re-hashing his Memento/Inception archetype.
I'm really enjoying the meta-theme coming in at this point though with Maeve - humans silly little lives played out in their silly ways with their silly concerns et. al. This feels like a new thread that could take hold, at least intellectually. Clearly, the whole premise plays into that, but now they're addressing it directly.
I was into it from the beginning, but this last episode has given it momentum.
Anthony Hopkins has perfected playing the genius psychopath. He is so good, I want to see more of him, less Dolores & William play cowboys.
Since Ford seems to know everything that is going on (at least regarding the actions of the board and anyone surrounding Bernard), does he know what's going with Maeve? Or does he think his robot repair techs (I convinced they are robots too) don't need to be watched over all the time?
Hopefully, next week we start to see the various storylines converge.
Didn't see last nights, but what if Hopkins is the robot ?
The basement that Bernard talks to Delores is the same as the one that was printing the new host. The multiple timelines theory is looking more and more likely. Also, just watched episode 2 again and there are different westworld logos when William gets to the park and when the storyline is getting proposed.
Maeve is like the Roy Batty character from Blade Runner - she's sentient and she's not going to take being a slave any longer. She wants to change her destiny/fuck with the Creator...
True, but notice those talks have ended now that she's off her loop with William. I need to look at the logo stuff more. I still don't think William=Man in Black. Also, pretty sure Ford is just going to replace Theresa with that host being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by zartagen
edit: Also, I don't think it matters if the logo is different. I'm pretty firmly in the "no multiple timelines" camp at this point. Sizemore made a new logo for his little new (rejected) narrative, that's all.
I have split thoughts on the multiple time lines.
The one against is when Delores shot the rapist in the barn and ran off to William. Just before she shot him, she had a memory of the man in black. Unless the show is just completely fucking with the viewer, this scene indicates William and MIB are in the park together, but certainly not 30 years apart.
The one for multiple times revolve around the robot Bernard being the replica of Arnold. Ford needed a dependable sidekick after he killed Arnold so he created Bernard. Those scenes between "Bernard" and Delores were flashbacks of Arnold and Delores.
Also their stories intersected with Teddy (Teddy straying from Delores, ending up with MIB and both of them being after Wyatt, who was acknowledged to either be a new host or in a new role with the recent upload of a history to Teddy). Definitely seems like those to stories are occurring concurrently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkhound Odin
Very disappointing series.
Beautifully made.
Shut your whore mouth
This is really interesting the more I think about it. So in episode 3 when Bernard is talking to Dolores about a way to be free it could be Arnold - who it seems wanted to create full sentience. Ford is just some psychopathic storyteller and/or not on the same page with Arnold's original intent. I still don't think this lends itself to full on separate time-lines for the rest of the show - it's just hanging in space exactly when these conversations took place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkhound Odin
Maybe Arnold isn't real at all? At this point I think we can call into question anything "factual" that Ford told Bernard throughout the first 7 episodes. What if Arnold is Ford's alter-ego in code? Has anyone heard about Arnold besides coming from the glitches that have happened (Elsie for instance) or directly from Ford? (Also, like others, I think there's a good chance nearly all the workers are hosts, including Elsie).
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Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Over and out.