[Discussion-topic] a new, one-stop-website for maggots! (we're underway)

Yes.

I recall back when the Sept Powder came out, to many poor reviews, there was a lot of discussion about how the community could help out the mag. There was certainly a lot of interest in doing something more with this energy. We wanted to be more than we were.

Now, another, much more traumatic event has occurred, the great board rape of '03, and I think the picture is a lot clearer. Powder, sad as it is to say, is dying. It was great, but it is old, tired and dying. But it has spawned something young, vibrant, and alive. And this new thing (community? collective? group stoke fest?) is bigger than Powder, bigger than Primedia, and (all due respect to ONS) bigger than TGR. We know it is bigger because it straining at its chains, trying to break out of its bulletin board cradle, travelling across the net in search of a true home.

Now, we can continue leaching of corporate parents (again, props and respect to ONS and this particular coporate parent, which is way cooler) forever limited by the confines of space not built for us, or...

... we can step out on our own, into a new world, one made by Maggots, run by Maggots, and thoroughly, permanently, infested by Maggots.

powdermag.com will always be the birthplace, and TGR an invaluable friend in a difficult time, but here, right now, in this thread, the new world can be born.

Carpe diem, or it will pass us by!

1. You would need a host willing to install/support UBB. Not all do or will.

2. You need a moderator. Now, sure powder (and this place) say "moderated by: no one" but that's not quite true. When tubgirl started showing up in all the powdermag threads, SOMEONE had to go clean out all of those posts. SOMEONE had to ban CWB and all of his aliases. That person needs to be around MOST of the time to handle these issues.

Just things to consider...

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Originally posted by joshbu:
1. You would need a host willing to install/support UBB. Not all do or will.

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We need a host that supports mysql and php, that is all. There's plenty of packages readily available for free that do the same trick ubb does, and more (phpbb for instance)

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2. You need a moderator. Now, sure powder (and this place) say "moderated by: no one" but that's not quite true. When tubgirl started showing up in all the powdermag threads, SOMEONE had to go clean out all of those posts. SOMEONE had to ban CWB and all of his aliases. That person needs to be around MOST of the time to handle these issues.

Just things to consider...[/QB]

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Jep, there needs to be a moderator, but i'm sure we can find a way to a decent solution. eg. This board is moderated by ons, and he's doing a fine job..

Can you display IPs and randomly moderate the thing using an anal probe from time to time? I've come to expect that and it just wouldn't be the same without.

Let's do this: You guys come up with a concise list of features you would like to have for yourselves as a community. Otherwise this will be a rambling non-goal oriented conversation.

Then we can look at what I can provide either through TGR or as a side entity (from my perspective one pronged development is easier to build and manage than two pronged) and how I can leverage those needs to help TGR out as well.

As a general rule, the final product is going to be somewhat different than anything we come up with here, just as a natural product of evolution.

Once a concise list is in place we can identify necessary resources, costs, etc... In the end, I think you might find that we (TGR) are willing to absorb cost and resources in order to receive the benefit of community presence while allowing for evolution on your own terms. At the same time the community may stand to benefit from our ability to bring in continual new blood.

Sounds like a good deal, as long as the maggots stay in control. That's the one thing that is vital, given the recent developments. I'll edit my first post to keep the list of demands updated, ok? btw, you needn't develop all this stuff, there's some good webdevelopers here who are willing to help.

[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: AH ]

updated first post

I think it would be great. I am of no use in the tech / building phase but I would be a proud supporter of such a project.

jah dood. raaaaaaad.

Seriously, ONS seems more than happy to try to get us everything that we need (for me the board itself is basically enough). I don't see the need for another site and potentially further fragmentation/dilution of the maggots.

I think that a maggot site is a great idea, however, it could turn into a logistical nightmare. Owens has a great idea trying to incorporate it into this site.

I also post/read on a 4x4 bulletin board that has a volunteer pay mode that seems to work pretty well and has lots of good information for their sport http://www.pirate4x4.com they are almost as tight a group as the maggots and damn near as entertaining.

Id gladly do what i can to help with any such project.

Im a comp science student at montana state, am very familiar with mysql and am php conversant.

drop me a line at fez at m-squareddesign.com

of course, ill be around!

I'd throw in a few bucks in a heartbeat, I just want the forum back that brought me endless stoke, inspiration, and happiness.

I will pay for the domain name out of my own pocket. www.powdermaggot.com I dont' have to be a person setting it up or knowing the codes. I will pay the first year domain fee for it. I give you my word on that. 50bucks is nothing for what you guys have given me.

Man it is a bitch editing when you are druntk

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Originally posted by TJ.Brk:
<STRONG>I will pay the first year domain fee for it. I give you my word on that. 50bucks is nothing for what you guys have given me.

Man it is a bitch editing when you are druntk</STRONG>

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TJ, pass out already you drunk bastard.

And dont give network solutions your money if you can avoid it. Those bastards make primedia look like altruistic angels.

This new 'feature' they have of forwarding all unregistered urls to their site is bullshit.

I can register urls for $15 a year through my host company. So could hook it up there. I'm sure any of the other geeks could do the same.

Or if you all want. I could incorporate it into my site. I Have a chatroom already. I'll pay for the upgrade. I have image loading. Oh and I left the control of editing to another maggot. Me cassa ei su cassa. No I'm not doing this for self promotion. I have a free site. I did my site under the way we all wish we could find out info about a resort for free. And I would leave control to a maggot voted board if need be (except for info needed for my resort area, but input from all, good or bad will always be used). I even have a maggot photo page started already.

but if not, I will pay for the www.powdermaggot.com domain name for a year to get us there. And leave who is running it up to a vote by all.

[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: TJ.Brk ]

I think the best we can do is create our list of needs and take it from there. ONS has been supersupportive, so I think it's logical that we try to set ourselves up @ tgr, which saves us money and fragmentation...

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Originally posted by AH:
<STRONG>I think the best we can do is create our list of needs and take it from there. ONS has been supersupportive, so I think it's logical that we try to set ourselves up @ tgr, which saves us money and fragmentation...</STRONG>

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A well put and constructive point to think about. And ONS has done nothing but be supportive in our time of need. Thank you for bringing a clarifying viewpoint for us all to realize. Again thank you. We need to be greatful, and think of all things that will fit our collective needs. Bump for you dude.

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Geez Teej, get in the cab. G'nite.

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Originally posted by Schmear:
<STRONG>Geez Teej, get in the cab. G'nite.</STRONG>

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no way man. I'm pissed and I have a half a bottle to go through yet. Your just goinng to have to deal with me being a stupid drunk jarhead awhile longer until I wake up tomorrow and see what an idiot I've been. And remember I said it first
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no way man. I'm pissed and I have a half a bottle to go through yet. Your just goinng to have to deal with me being a stupid drunk jarhead awhile longer until I wake up tomorrow and see what an idiot I've been. And remember I said it first
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just wanted to get this quoted before you sober up and start editing.

I would like to give a big NO to www.powdermaggot.com That name and title has been taken from us, and there is no need to dwell on it any longer. We were a group before the Powder Mag website, we are now at TGR, and probably would be beyond it. So no references to Powder Mag.

Working things out here would be great, but it definitely might scare some people away (TGR and all), and I wouldn't feel right about advertising it (no offense).

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Originally posted by BakerBoy:
<STRONG>I would like to give a big NO to www.powdermaggot.com </STRONG>

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Seconded. Something skiing related but we need to move on.

Hi,
i've emailed AH already, but i'd be happy to offer any help i can. I've got alot of technical skill/experience of building websites (technical not design tho! my graphic design skills are on a par with stevie wonders)

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Originally posted by BakerBoy:
<STRONG>I would like to give a big NO to
Working things out here would be great, but it definitely might scare some people away (TGR and all), and I wouldn't feel right about advertising it (no offense).</STRONG>

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What would it take to change that? An alternate url?

Vertigo, I'm at work, I'll check my mail when I get home, thx for the help.

hey all

i'm a new to the maggot game. i was trying to get going on the powder board the last few weeks but had some registration problems, then i saw things going whack and followed you all over here. anyway...

i have gotten quite a kick out of the maggot community and want'ta help out with the new board if i can. what i have to offer is graphic design skill. i'm damn familiar with building graphics for sites and interfacing with site builders. i also am well versed in logo and branding development. i think i could work up a pretty fresh logo and look for the new maggot site/board.

right now i'm on the mend from reconstructive shoulder surgery and i got nothing but time for the next week n' a half. i could start developing some logo ideas if that's cool with you all. could also work on some possible new names if you like. i don't want to step on toes though. if you already have a preferred designer you like to work with just let me know and i'll back the hell out.

also as a means for kicking up some funds for the site, what about selling some merch down the road? hoodies/hats/stickers with the logo on it. could muster some good funds.

let me know if i can help

bc-flow

How about this for a solution:

Instead of requiring an entirely new board, a new migration, competing with TGR, etc...

Negotiate a partnership with TGR. TGR would continue to host the forums and the new domain could route to the forums. This has been done by several sites including AR-15/WeaponsForums.com wchi operates more than 4 domains taht all access the same forums.

This prevents forum chaos but still allows the room on the new site for any contenet and various other desirables that cannot be achieved here on TGR. The new site can be used for that. The crosslinking between the sites can be quite extensive as well. TGR would benefit because it would generate business for TGR.

AN IDEA OF A RESULT would be a seamless integration of the forum based on TGRs site into the new site and a varied topbar based upon the original domain used to access the site (TetonGravity.com or the new site). The new site would have a permanent TGR ad at the top and a menubar to access the other features of the new site. If a user accessed the forum from the tetongravity.com site, it would be totally at their discretion whether they would have a link at the top to the new site (it woudln't be needed since hte new site and it's url would obviously be mentioned constantly in the forum).

If you are dead set on a new site, a partnership with TGR would be infinately better than going it alone IMO. Use existing infrastructure and keep the costs down and make logistics easier! But first...

WHAT EXACTLY WILL THIS NEW SITE OFFER?

What is it that the new site would have that is not being or cannot be happily done here? Is there anything? If so, that should be discussed before jumping out to make the new site so you know 1. Whether its needed. 2. What you are going to need to accomplish it.

Maybe all we want is a domain that redirects directly to the TGR forum (with TGRs blessing)?

[ October 03, 2003: Message edited by: SummitCo1776 ]

I love the idea. Hopefully with the help of some web savy people there will soon be an all maggot stoke site. I'm not terribly good with web design, but I have a non-maggot friend who is, I'll talk to him about it.

Peace out,
Ben

It will offer independence. As has been mentioned ad nauseum ONS is a gracious host and a killer not to be trifled with, but this is a TGR site. Whilst ONS would welcome stoke from other film makers etc it's doubtful they'd feel comfortable promoting their wares on a TGR site and this could lead to angst. What's more, if we had a site run by ourselves, it would remain run by us. What if ONS was to decide he needed to devote more time to running his other business operations or someone at TGR found a more cost effective way of hosting websites? Don't shoot me BTW.

Think back to the original concept behind PMGear - the independent think tank. That's what the new site could become with a range of bolt on extras that you want.

* How about biglines style picture hosting with no logos plastered over your pictures?
* How about an automated ebay trawler that sifted all the bargains of interest for your persual?
* How about a whole bunch of webcams that actually work alongside mountain weather forecasting all under one roof.
* Plus a bulletin board that's never going to disappear up its own ass and which is subtly configured for all of us who post rather than work. No big logos on the page, no sounds, no pop ups. Ever.
* Spots on the homepage highlighting talent, showreels etc

We've got some mad skills between us. We can make a better place and now is the time to do it. In a manner worthy of Pol Pot, Daniel has made this Year Zero. We need to start afresh from nothing. Think about it for a moment. This shouldn't be a hard sell.

[ October 03, 2003: Message edited by: bad_roo ]

Werd Roo -

Well put - it's seems like a matter of execution, and we certainly have the talent amongst us (myself excluded).

This should be win-win for the community, for Chris Owens, and for Teton Gravity Research.

But we need to make something that will last...

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<STRONG>I think this could be structured (I think) within the TGR site, like a community area. If you login, you get your own page of personalized links, news, snow reports, maybe airfares from the midwest, etc, Yahoo!-style.

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maggots, i'm with you!

personal pages would be great idea... and you can make it available only for those maggots who pay... something like www.livejournal.com

PS
this color scheme is really depressive :D

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scuzza posted
I have servers and bandwidth, but I don't have the time to run a website. I got a gig.

But if I could find a few Denver (or Eagle County) maggots that'd want to run the thing, I'd be happy to chip in servers and bandwidth.

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http://forum.powdermag.com/cgi-bin/u...c;f=1;t=022443

Hmm... that solves money problems...

[ October 03, 2003: Message edited by: SummitCo 1776 ]

Hey, I can offer to do site updating and FTP stuff back n forth. I have some web design skilz...and would be happy to offer them up. So sign me up for the tech team.
:-)
Sprite

I say we split up in 3 groups.

1. tech

2. design

3. content

Since i've only seen one designer, I say we need one or 2 more. The techteam looks complete with the 4 to 5 guys who've offered help so far.

Content is somewhat more general. I think everyone should feel free to add content, but there might be a need for a couple of guys to keep thinking about the 'fixed' content (read : non-forum-related). Functional things like a photo-uploading system, etc.. In essence, the guys who make sure everyone's voice is heard when making decisions on what functions to add to the site.

As for the tech-stuff, I'm willing to make sure we get some serverspace (either @ tgr or somewhere else) in a short time, so we can get this show on the road and keep the momentum going.

I find this incredible. For a bunch of people that bascially only know each other from the internet can come together and create such a tight knit community.

I admit when the original ski summit was first proposed I was skeptical that it would actually happen. I was dead wrong. When a new company was first proposed I was a still a little skeptical, but after the success of the summit I was a hopeful. Now the maggots want to create their own site. I must say that I believe it could happen.

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Originally posted by BakerBoy:
[QB]I would like to give a big NO to www.powdermaggot.com
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www.tffkapmdc.com?
The forum formerly known as powdermag dot com

We're gonna have a problem when we want to change that to the symbol :)

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Originally posted by bad_roo:
<STRONG>In a manner worthy of Pol Pot,</STRONG>

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Just preserving the first confirmed Pol Pot reference by a "maggot," or whatever we're called over here.

Nate’s list of needs from the board:

1. Board Topics to include; Chatter, Skis Swap, Tech talk, Teletalk, backcountry info, and Trip reports.
2. Picture posting without watermarking.
3. Video hosting.
4. Personal message capability
5. Chat.

List of nice features:
1. Personal page with buddy and contact list information
2. Public personal page that is customizable as a “Whois” feature

Supporting ideas
1. Make payment for the BB voluntary
2. Make picture and video hosting contingent on payment.
3. Utilize TGR’s generocity but, maintain a separate identity (get our own URL and have a link to TGR (maybe give away some picture hosting space with the purchase of a TGR flick. Maybe we could get some of the other movie companies to kick in a little schwag or cash in exchange for linking to their sites and maintaining active connections with them (jargon speak increase the extracommunity buy in).
4. See if we can’t schedule chat sessions with some of the “Rockstars”

What I can do:
1. I have some web design experience, but others have far more.
2. I do have access to a substantial library of topo and other spatial data that is collected from publicly available sources. So if we want maps made for any reason I would gladly volunteer my time and effort.
3. I’ll provide a small amount of money for start up costs (can’t really afford much, but I’ll give what I can).