It must just be me, but I never found any of my ON3Ps demanding.... Bonafides are meh just like the Mantra and that is why they are so popular with the masses...
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It must just be me, but I never found any of my ON3Ps demanding.... Bonafides are meh just like the Mantra and that is why they are so popular with the masses...
The Bonafide is an easy ski that does everything well, but nothing great. That said, I know I can take it on a trip as my only ski and never find myself really hating life. Having a Wren or something like a Hoji really appeals to me, though, because I know I can do things with those that I can't with anything in my current quiver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
Ok kids; i've been searching up down left right and sideways for a good review of the Steeple 112. I've found basically squat. A little bit on the 102.
So who's skiing the 112? More importantly touring on it as an everday type ski?
The regular Billy obviously looks and sounds phenomenal but weighs too much for me to want to tour on.
Are ON3P's listed weight specs usually pretty accurate? Listed weight for the 112 @ 189 is 2.15 kg per ski which is just about my limit.
No experience on the Steeple, but I have 2015 Wren 102s in 176. On my scale the right one weighed 2065g, left one weighed 2078g. Pretty impressive that there's only 13g difference between the set. List weight is 2.05kg, so mine were within 1% of list weight. Also have 176 BG but didn't weigh them before mounting bindings.
Have you looked through the old thread? There are a few recent reviews. http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...56#post4662056Quote:
Originally Posted by Nordic Giant
It is very close to the Wren 112 flex. It isn't quite as stiff due to there being less material, but it does have the same layup with the same glass/double carbon.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
As other shave already said, the new lineup looks great. So, maybe another comparison? How does the new Wren 108 compare to the Blizzard Cochise? Look like somewhat similar profiles, turn radius, etc. Bamboo versus a metal layup. Wondering if the Wren 108 is easier to break out of a turn or harder. Also wondering, how is the Wren 108 in powder? Or if that was going to be a key consideration, would one be better with the Kartel 108?
Wren 108 is a LOT better in powder than the previous versions of the ski (113, 112). That is one of the reasons we changed the rocker profile on it. As for comparing to the Cochise...I know there are some members of the Loveland crew that could chime in on that and have skied both.Quote:
Originally Posted by easternskr
From what I heard last weekend my favorite line was "it is what the Cochise wishes it was". Whatever that means :)
Wren 108 vs Kartel 108 = Wren is more directional, longer turn radius, stiffer, and has a different rocker profile (similar tip rocker, less tail rocker than Kartel 108). Also is mounted farther back on the ski to match sidecut (-8-ish back from center depending on size). Kartel 108 is more centered, medium flex, and more tail rocker than Wren 108. Mounted at -4-ish back from center depending on size.
I've only skied the old Cochise (before it got camber) and the Wren 112 - haven't yet been on the Wren 108. But FWIW:
-the old Cochise was way easier to break out of a turn than the Wren 112. It was less stable running bases flat. The newer Cochise may be different since it has camber now. The initial things I've heard is that the Wren 108 is much more responsive and quick onto edge than the 112, too.
-the Cochise was very slightly more damp (metal) but had way less life and pop. I'd expect this to be the same with the newer Cochise vs. Wren 108
Paging cooks, I know he's skied the Wren 108 and I think he's been on a newer Cochise too.
[QUOTE][/Have you looked through the old thread? There are a few recent reviews. http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...t4662056QUOTE]
Thanks Kai,
I'd been keeping an eye on that thread, don't know how Galibier's post had slipped by being so recent . . .
Anyone else?
I've been on the Steeple 112 for the last two years, exclusively bc. I can't recall exactly what they weighed before inserts, but I do remember the advertised weight being accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nordic Giant
As for how they ski, I've had them on every possible snow type and they're killing my quiver. They float like a 120 in powder and bite like a 95 on windblown chalk. Very intuitive in trees, stable at speed. The flat/slightly curved tail is $$. Tail clips stay put.
6'2 210lbs with pack. TLT speed radicals and TLT6p. Mounted recommended.
Be happy to answer any specifics
Steeple 98 looks great
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Originally Posted by Trapp
Thankyou Mr. Trapp. Sounds good.
What length?
189Quote:
Originally Posted by Nordic Giant
Got your email. Be in touch soon :)Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Agreed. Now we just need the Can $ to rebound so we can afford to purchase!Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
PT, talk to me a little bit about the 88. Just skied the 88 Brahma's last night, fun ski, haven't skied anything that narrow underfoot for a while now, it likes to turn and fast. How would you compare the Brahma to the Wren 88?Quote:
Originally Posted by PowTron
Spent most of the month on my 2011 BG 191s (the year where only 191s had RES). Fucking love them: super stable, no fucks given. I got curious. What differences will I notice if I pick up this year/next year's BGs in a 189/184 (both in general and size-wise)? With the 191s, nearly everything is awesome, but I occasionally get a bit thrown/worked, err, billy goating around and in tight trees.
I got my brother on a shorter pair this year (light dude), and they're making him ridiculously happy.
Guess I've gotta pick up some wren 98s too.
You will notice an improvement in handling with the 189 vs the 191...it is slightly narrower, has a different tail profile (and shorter tail), and slightly lighter feel underfoot. These are all small differences, but I can notice them when I ski the skis back to back with no problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by theetruscan
As for the 2017 BG in 189 vs the 191 you have...all of the above and then a difference on groomers and harder snow where the taper points and length have been modified to enable a bit more grip when needed.
Hey PowTron
so I've been looking at the Steeple 112's cuz i want a touring ski in that approx width. Steeples seem attractive just due to the evolved Billygoat heritage, although i've never skied the Billys . . .
I've read lots about the Billygoats so guess i know what they're about; just wondering how similar the Steeple 112 actually feels. You know, how well it keeps that easy, intuitive. snag-free in the tip feel i keep hearing about with the Billy's.
Wouldn't bother you about this, but i've literally found only like two reviews.
I know I know "search jong" yadayada whatever. Search function kinda sucks.
Hey Powtron,
Thanks. One question: You're comparing the 2016 189 vs 2017 189, in both cases, right? What about 184/189? If I'm just occasionally too much of a pussy for the 191, is it worth taking the 184 for a test run, or are the differences to the 189 enough probably? I finally managed to do some "real harm" (first core shots and slightly fucked edge) to the 2011 BGs, so I'm pretty sure I gotta buy more shit.
The 189 and the 191 are pretty much equivalent.
Loveland demo is on for Sunday, March 13th?
Still going back and forth between the two Steeples & the Goat.
Cheers,
Thom
Any Colorado demos March 21-27th? Will be in Town those days, hoping for some snow too
According to friflyt.no there'll be a 113 Wrenegade - Dennis Risvoll's pro model. Sounds like a 191 charger.
Any more info on that?
Umm... Next year's catalogue is already out. So... You can see what's listed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Island Bay
In case this slipped past anyone, I just noticed that next year's Steeple 98 has a traditional sidecut. It's more of a touring version of a Wren. The Steeple 112 has retains RES and can still be thought of as a touring Billy Goat.
[edit] correction: next year's fat Steeple drops from 112-108 (and retains the RES profile).
... Thom
Tahoe, they did mention in the article that it wasn't in the new catalogue.
I assume it's a 191 wren 112 or 108 as discussed in the old thread. Sorry, that was kind of a dickish response on my part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Island Bay
Except it's 108....Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
At one point I heard some chatter that ON3P was considering bringing back the 191cm Wren as a preorder only, special edition ski. Built to order, no inventory, and I assume no deals. Basically for the people that have whined about the 191 Wren going away, it's pay up or shut up. So I assume that's what friflty.no is talking about.
Looks nice... Steeple 98 is a cool looking ski. Still kinda heavy (for my weak wimpy self) but the 179 @ 1860g is at least in the conversation now.
Does your demo fleet ever make it to the SLC area? Any demos w/tech bindings?
That seems longer the right way to do the big charger skis, that or one ski for 2-3 years. from the outside the demand seems to be in waves for such a skiQuote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
It's not like the Billy Goat really needs any more love on TGR but I now have a dozen or so days on my new-to-me 12/13 191 BGs and I can't contain myself.
This past weekend especially showed me just how amazing they are. Saturday was 10" of disgustingly dense new snow with snain coming down at Kirkwood. And by the time we got there it was really cut up and gnarly. There were chunks of snow 1'+ cubed that were not breaking apart when skied through. Really challenging conditions and my buddy on his Cochises was suffering. The BGs though made it actually fun. In the really gnarly places I could make quick, short radius turns to maneuver through it. When it was a little more even I could start trenching big turns and the skis just busted through it all. And the dampness made the ride as smooth as it could possibly be.
Then yesterday was 18" of much better quality - but still heavy and dense - powder. I could still keep my weight far forward without any worries of tip dive. And the landing platform is so stable. I landed a jump too far forward and for a moment thought my heels were going to rip out the bindings but the tips were strong enough to bounce me back upright. And the tails are always there for leverage when I land in the backseat.
Oh, and over the course of the season I've skied over a ton of rocks and have barely scratched the bases. They are incredibly bombproof.
So good...
I'm looking forward to trying some other on3p skis in the future.
Zero offense taken :-) I knew it sounded funny, but Fri Flyt is usually a reliable source.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
For your pleasure, here's Google Translate's wonderful effort - in all its deranged glory:
"Dennis' promo dell
2017 Stuff : On3p Wrenegade 113 is Dennis Risvoll his pro-model with the US skimerket - a pair of skis that will require her husband.
Wrenegade 113 is admittedly not in On3p its list of next year's Ski models , but the three narrower Wrenegade editions provide enough an idea of what next winter's "Norwegian" pro-model features .
- Dennis its signaturski Wrenegade 113 in 191 centimeters we will take in some pieces off. But it will probably be a handful for most , says importer Jørgen Power Quist in JBS Sport."
Iggy replied in another post that a 191 113 underfoot Wren was being built for some comp skiers and would be available to the public as an order only ski... I still have my orig twin 191 Wren and still find it to be one of the best day after a dump ski that blows through anything, but still not demanding to ski... I will give major props to those though on this board that rock them in tight trees as this ski for me is a load of work in those conditions...Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
There will be multiple skis made in limited pairs that will be available next season...you will be able to order them from the ON3P Champagne Room.
The absolute crusher Wren 113 will be one of those skis.
What ski was risvoll skiing at fieberbrunn? kind of looks like a wrenegade with billy goat rocker profile up front.
He's primary on the 2017 189cm BGs with a bit of extra carbon, so that is what those custom orange topsheets were. Also has some 191cm Wren 113 and the new 191 CD.Quote:
Originally Posted by klauss
Stoked for our first FWT podium! Definitely a great way to wake up.
So for those wondering if the 189 BG is man enough to handle your balls to the walls charging ability...the answer is YES :)Quote:
Originally Posted by iggyskier