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Personally I found the backland to be the shortest out of tlt6/marstrale/spectre/khion. 265 backland was impossible'
I've read reports that these "feel" wider than the 98 mm last would suggest. Any comparison on width to the One/Mercury/Vulcan last? I'm in a pair of Ones that don't feel wide enough, although part of that is them being too short I'm sure. 26.5 Ones don't fit, 26.5 Maestrale does.
Also, how much width can be gained by padding problem areas and heat molding the shell?
Any experience with the Backland W? Atomic claims they softened the flex just for teh womenz...just how soft is it?
Stoked it comes in a true 22 and that the calf appears to be stretchable (unlike Dynafit ultra-lock cuff).
So the official Atomic line is that up to 6mm of width can be gained by heat molding the shell. Has anyone had personal experience that this is true? Also, if you were to add intuitions down the road, would there be any reason to re mold the shell? Or just mold liner per normal? Hoping to get some answers, may pull the trigger on these.Quote:
Originally Posted by zion zig zag
Did the heat mold on my 103mm feet. Worked ok, certainly not the same as if we had actually punched them, which I might still do. I don't know about re-molding for the new liner, probably would be a good idea.
Based on that one dude in Jackson's experience with the Fischer Vacuum series, it seems like you might get the best results from molding the shell and an intuition simultaneously. (But I'm too lazy to search for his name/posts, so I might be remembering incorrectly.)
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Originally Posted by auvgeek
Skiinginjackson. I read some his posts yesterday and saw that, made me wonder if the memory fit was similar. I know that the initial molding is with the liner in place, I just don't know if you'd want to remold the shell with a new liner. Also makes me wonder how many molds you can get on a shell before bad things happen.
Worked well enough to ski a day with my 103-104mm feet as well. I augmented with some punches for my bunions at the first and fifth met heads and they are money. Heat moldable shells, whether they be Salomon or Atomic, are good for a general width/volume increase; for pointy conflicts (met heads, navicular, maleoli) you should probably also punch manually.Quote:
Originally Posted by zion zig zag
Good to know. My feet aren't terribly wide but any pressure across my fore foot irritates my morton's neuroma.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
How do the backland boots compare in stiffness and ability to drive a ski to something such as the Radiums I own, or the maestrale my bro has? I'm looking for an improved fit over the radium's I own, and curious with the new tech that Atomic is bringing to something that's fairly tried and true like the maestrale, which also fit my feet pretty well. I'm not trying to drive a massive ski, but often need support late in the day with our warm maritime snowpack. thanks
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...lex+comparison
Keep in mind the recent posts regarding the TLT6P and Backland (bottom of page 10), as well as the idea that stiffness isn't necessarily the whole story on how well a boot can drive a ski.
Words. Sounds like they should be fine driving most skis and tour great. Just comes down to fit and what's available on sale, when. Thanks auvgeek
Good thread, thanks for all the info. everyone. I like these boots, but can't stay warm, thinking of replacing the liner with an Intuition Pro Tour. After reading this thread, and the one on wildsnow, I'm wondering if anyone has more experience putting an Intuition in the Backland. Did you downsize the Intuition from the mondo size of the boot? Did you mold both the Intuition and shell together, for the recommended time and temp of the shell? Anyone molded the tongues as part of the process? Thanks.
I have 28/28.5 Backlands and I dropped a size 27 Intuition Pro Tour Liner into the shells. I've got about ~14 days or so on this set up and it has worked out well for me so far. The Pro Tours are burlier than the factory liner and ski better in addition to feeling a bit warmer. I molded the liners for a different boot and haven't molded the Backland shells yet. The liners fit snugly in the shells so based on my experience I would recommend sizing down a full size if you decide to use Pro Tours with these boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by natebob
Thanks LillyHammer. That is the same Backland shell size I have. 27 Pro Tour seems to be what will fit best. Thanks for the info.
Looking pretty closely at these boots, so what's the general consensus compared to the tlt6? Get the impression the tlt6 is a tad firmer. Anyone know how the cuff height compare between the two? Have read the backland has quite a low cuff but not sure how it compares.
Last year's green TLT6 felt taller and stiffer with the heavier CR liner, the 2016 black TLT6 with the CL liner feels just about identical to the Backland Carbon.Quote:
Originally Posted by micky_mikey
Can you heat mold the shells in the oven at home?
I seen a backland with 1 week of use by an intermediate skier have a torn fabric gator
I don't see why not. Atomic originally suggested 15 minutes @235-240 F. in a shop convection oven, which I did with my pair (worked great). They now recommend 10 minutes. I tend to go with about 13 minutes in the store (this is with the liners IN the shells, mind you). If you don't have convection, I'd probably preheat to ~350 F. and turn the oven off before putting the boots in for about 10 minutes, but that's a guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
I've nearly torn mine a few times by forgetting the undo the velcro before pulling my foot out . . . I doubt ability has much to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Has anyone replaced the top strap with something more robust?
The TLT6 camlock powerstrap is awesome on my Backlands.
I did mine with a WC booster. May eventually try the nylon cam strap off my alpine boots (which was replaced with a WC booster as well). But for now, the booster works great. In conjunction with a few other mods, it makes the boot flex pretty damn well for an AT boot. I have a feeling a solid nylon strap might make it stiffer, but less progressive by making it easier to blow through the flex by putting more force into the lower.
I'm pondering the pair of Carbon lights in the GS right now, anybody know if the tongues are different from the Carbon's, and if so, where to get the stiffer ones? I've had some heavily punched TLT6's in the past, tried these on and was stoked on the wider forefoot, maybe tempting enough to try them out.
The Carbon lights come with a black tongue which has a cut out section in the middle to facilitate a softer flex. The standard carbons have an orange tongue which does not have that cutout and is a stiffer flex. They sell them separately and I got mine at skimo.co for $40
http://skimo.co/atomic-backland-tongues
It sounds like some of you are putting an intuition pro tour liner in this boot. Does anyone know what the tallest liner is in intuitions lineup? Tried to fit a power wrap in the boot but can't buckle the lower when I did.
Not sure why you'd want to put anything but a protour in that boot. Anyway, mold the liners in another pair of boots first to reduce volume, then mold them in the Backlands. Also you could try molding the Backland shells with the stock liner first. I did both of these - Molded protours in another boot and then molded the shells twice - once with stock liners, once with protours.
Anybody know the difference between the standard Backland and the Backland NC? Atomic's website says it's ~200g heavier than the Backland. Is it just a cheaper and heavier version for people new to touring?
Mine are comfy for my 109mm forefoot after some punching and I could definitely go further if I wanted. Easier to work with than my grillamid Vulcans, which are pretty easy. Love it.
Has anyone punched the ankle area of the carbons? I get some pain at the front of the medial malleolus after 4 or so hours in the boot. My footbeds are starting to collapse, due to my fallen arch destroying anything it touches so I'll try some new ones before I punch anything but I'm just curious if anyone has tried. I'm obviously worried about the carbon around the pivot point cracking or the pivot itself being damaged.
Backland uses a Grilamid cuff and shell, a Platinum liner (breathable bottom), swappable tongue system, screwed Igus cuff pivots, and is Memory Fit compatible.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Backland NC uses a PU cuff and shell, a Gold liner (non-breathable), fixed soft tongue (it's fixed in place to use less of the expensive water sealing), riveted Igus cuff pivots, and is not Memory Fit compatible. It's the cheaper way to get into Backland but still have a lot of the same features/benefits- same out of box fit, same ski/walk mechanism, same Igus pivots, same cuff ROM, and one of the lighter boots in its price range.
There is a Grilamid border around the carbon cuff that is designed to allow that area to stretch more easily than if it were totally carbon. Depending on where exactly your medial malleolus comes in contact with the shell/cuff, you should be able to punch it with minimal difficulty. Just take your time ensuring the area is sufficiently heated (but not overly heated) and it should be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by m-ruta
I punched mine right on the edge of the carbon, and it went fine. Just take it easy (if you hear cracking, back off).Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
PS onenerdykid, I will be in Altenmarkt in March - hope to see you then!
Just got some used backlands in 27 and a 26 MV Intuition Pro Tour liner, which takes up the extra space I had with the stock liner. Looking to mold at home. Seems like I should put the whole contraption including the tongues in the oven and bake at 240-250f for 12 minutes. Anyone done this and had good results?
I'm not sure I follow your logic. You got a liner that is a full size smaller than the shell and are hoping that it will take up extra space? I would assume that you'd end up with a sloppier fit.
What does the shell fit tell you? Why didn't you get a 27 liner?
Seth
I baked my khions with the intuitions in them. I heated the oven up with a bunch of bricks in it and turned it off when I put the boots in. The boots did not get burned and the liners molded really nicely. Make sure the liners reach 65-75°c to mold properly.
No logic involved that was a recommendation I found online about the size of the backland liner compared to the intuition liner and it seems to fit well. I used to have a pair of 26.5 scarpa rushs and tried that liner(variation of intuition pro tour) in several backland shells a couple years ago and the liner was so plush it only fit into a 28 backland.
Gotcha.
Intuition can give recommendations also. I usually heat up my liners in a connection oven outside of the boot, but it sounds like others may have other experience.
There's a great thread in here about how to mold your own liners which is a good place to start.
Seth
looking for some advice on the heat molding process with these boots and seems like a bunch of you have had good success with it. i’m between shell sizes in the women’s version of this boot (23 is a tight performance fit, makes me nervous for touring, 24 is roomy, makes for cramped feet on the decent, allows for heel-lift). i’m not sure if the heat molding process for the shell would tighten up the heel lock on the 24 and make it conform to my lower volume feet better, or if heat molding the 23 would make it a bit roomier/more comfortable for touring. i plan to heat mold either boot with the addition of a pro tour liner from intuition. any advice would be greatly appreciated!