Will pending SCOTUS free speech deliberations prevent you from posting threads like this in the future because the cops claim it's threatening in nature?
Just a thought.
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Will pending SCOTUS free speech deliberations prevent you from posting threads like this in the future because the cops claim it's threatening in nature?
Just a thought.
chill everyone, we're getting precogs, all criminal and terrorist behavior nipped as soon as it arises in the mind
splat, the trajectory from "emergency" responses to 9/11/2001 to present has enabled the power to do essentially what you talk about, without civil procedure recourse (right to counsel, right to plead 5th, right to confront your accuser, right to jury of peers, etc) to the accused. 25 years from now, in law school the constitutional law classes will have a lot to say about this period and what happened to "rights," and whether the "rights" existing in a document means anything when the entity tasked with protecting and implementing the document's framework ignores the document's text.
Meanwhile up here in Truckee there's a cop with a dog doing fake drug alerts. Consider yourselves warned.
Vice had weekly lolz and facepalms for you to enjoy.
http://www.vice.com/columns/bad-cop-blotter
Who do you protect?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVmy...ature=youtu.be
Who knew?Quote:
Originally Posted by powtario
Mormon-Themed Porn Is Apparently a Booming Business
December 5, 2014
http://assets2.vice.com/images/conte...1417804913.jpg
NYPD are having a bad week. Seems like they have a lot of "investigating" of their own staff to do.
http://www.vice.com/read/the-nypd-is...week-ever-1010
Mmm.. Mormon porn. It just sounds right.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiBall
http://www.xnxx.com/video3000847/bri...g_porn_recruit
So the idea here is to mortally wound the guy with 5.56mm rounds at close range, then tell him to follow commands he can't follow. If he doesn't follow the commands, let the dog loose and shoot him with non lethal rounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DngOL6LokN4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DngOL6LokN4
ETA: Video is graphic.
More on Albuquerque's finest from the Washington Post.
The guy couldn't follow the commands he was given before he was shot either because he was mentally unhinged. This is becoming a bigger and bigger problem as more people with mental health issues are living on the streets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromontana
Jesus fucking christ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazderati
No shit. They murdered that guy, he was no threat to any of them from that distance. I can't believe the video survived.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Not sure if it's the video shooter or one of the shooters to the right, but one of the officers there was hired with the promise he wouldn't have a firearm due to his prior record and firing/removal from a nearby police force.
"the suspect shot himself while handcuffed in the back of a police car."Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
privilege....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v4qEa8yG0c&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7y7oJ266qI
^Could do with out the music
This just in....
"Former ‘Cop of the Year’ busted on coke-trafficking charges"
http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/former-...cking-charges/
'Police say Woodson's fatal gunshot wound was self-inflicted. That would mean that he smuggled his gun into a police station after police brought him there'Quote:
Originally Posted by char
Their assholes must be pretty blown out sticking guns up there all the time so cops can't find them on he patdown
The cop doing most of the talking even says "I'm not a fucking murderer" at 0:42, and less than 10 seconds later they open fire for no apparent reason whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
The start of the trail of DOJ Civil Rights Division's investigations into local PDs:
<full repository with all states and investigations>
Arizona Maricopa County Sheriff's Office findings
- Based upon our extensive investigation, we find reasonable cause to believe that MCSO
engages in a pattern or practice of unconstitutional policing.
- We also find reasonable cause to believe that MCSO operates its jails in a manner that
discriminates against its limited English proficient ("LEP") Latino inmates.
- our investigation revealed a number of troubling incidents
involving MCSO deputies using excessive force against Latinos.
California LA County Sheriff / Antelope Valley findings:
- Our investigation
demonstrated reasonable cause to believe that LASD Antelope Valley deputies engage in a
pattern or practice of misconduct in violation of the Constitution and federal law in a number of
ways, including:
• Pedestrian and vehicle stops that violate the Fourth Amendment;
• Stops that appear motivated by racial bias, in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment and
federal statutory law;
• The use of unreasonable force in violation of the Fourth Amendment; and
• Discrimination against Antelope Valley residents on the basis of race by making housing
unavailable, altering the terms and conditions of housing, and coercing, intimidating, and
interfering with their housing rights, in violation of the Fair Housing Act (FHA).'
Connecticut East Haven PD findings:
- a statistical analysis demonstrating that Latino drivers are disproportionally targeted for
traffic stops;
• an analysis oftraffic stops showing that officers use non-standard and, in some cases,
unacceptable, justifications for stops that are not employed against non-Latino drivers,
and post-stop treatment that shows EHPD treating Latino drivers more punitively than
non-Latino drivers;
• serious incidents of abuse of authority and retaliation against individuals who criticize or
complain ofEHPD's discriminatory treatment ofLatinos;
Evidence of blue wall of silence in a freaking DOJ inquiry? check
- Second, we have grave concerns that
Department leadership is creating a hostile and intimidating environment for anyone seeking to
provide relevant information in our investigation.
The last part is perhaps most disturbing. You can't fix a police department that operates by the same code as the much reviled and targeted thugs.
DOJ has its own agenda and that agenda is definitely removed from and probably antithetical to what that noble Constitution supposedly gives us in the way of "civil rights." But hey, if DOJ is investigating, and what it's investigating bothers your Progressive and Politically Correct Conscience (found wholesale at Huffington Post, free baby!), then DOJ must be trying to do what's best for all. Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromontana
you define "mentally unhinged" as _____________?Quote:
Originally Posted by char
you define "mental health issues" as ______________?
your source of wisdom / authority / rectitude / accuracy on these matters is _______________?
Creaky - If you want to dispute or even evaluate anything in those reports that's fine. Reading a .pdf from an investigative panel is hardly the same as feeding off the HuffPo wire. Do you think these investigations are beneficial? Is the recurring theme of unjust policing in the investigations less interesting to you than the snarky back n forth of the boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by creaky fossil
Don't try to soft-shout me down with an NPR voice, Mr Propagandist. Observe the points I made, then either refute them with rationale, or go back to your TED lecture on neurobiology "proving" that people are born evil, or some such shit.
James Boyd had by most accounts schizophrenia and had been in and out of mental hospitals.
If your points were on topic I might. The thread subject is real, it's quantifiable and it's been identified as a serious issue in LE agencies around the country by the DOJ. If you want to talk about propaganda delivery, HuffPo's editorial leanings, DOJ's ulterior motives etc, find another thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by creaky fossil
The paper trail of investigations is interesting. Some, like Detroit, have - at least on paper - made big strides while under DOJ review. Others, like Cleveland, continue to fester. Putting more focus on these reviews and the follow up is a productive way to look and evaluate the overall situation, imo.
20-35% of homeless people have a serious mental illness, usually scivhizophremia, and the cops need to know and be prepared for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by creaky fossil
If the cops aren't prepared for it and shoot him from a distance when he wasn't making any threatening movement, too bad, that is their fuckup and they should face the consequences.
The officers in that vid. need to be prosecuted for man slaughter, if the vic. died. It looked like the vic. was attempting to comply and they just opened fire, then sent the dog on a severely wounded person. That is not the norm and more the exception. Hope all involved rot in prison.
Creaky, you ask him to refute the points you made:
There's not much there to refute or agree with. No one has argued that DOJ investigations don't get influenced by various agendas. Most would agree though that they can have some value. What's the alternative you propose?Quote:
DOJ has its own agenda and that agenda is definitely removed from and probably antithetical to what that noble Constitution supposedly gives us in the way of "civil rights." But hey, if DOJ is investigating, and what it's investigating bothers your Progressive and Politically Correct Conscience (found wholesale at Huffington Post, free baby!), then DOJ must be trying to do what's best for all. Right?
No, but the poor nps have been catching a beating from Mother Nature lately. Tough life on that mountain.
State powers and process' failure.....What. The. Fuck. People?
The feds need to come in a do some training......But, not CIA training....thank you very much.
"Drug raid in rural Georgia ends in a homeowner dead, no drugs found, and no police punished."
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/loc...back/20213383/
Aaaand the NYPD is back to planting guns on people they don't like. As is the norm in cases of police misconduct, no disciplinary action or criminal charges.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/ny...mers.html?_r=0
"In 2007, federal prosecutors brought a case against Terry Cross, who was arrested after the police saw him in the backyard of a house where drug dealing was suspected. Officers found a gun in a gray plastic bag near where Mr. Cross was standing, as well as marijuana, the police said. Gun and drug charges were filed.
"In that case, too, there was a confidential informer, the police said, and the defendant asked prosecutors to bring that person to court. Prosecutors opposed the motion, and later said the informer had died.
"Lieutenant Babington and a partner, Victor Troiano, along with two other officers, testified in pretrial hearings in 2008. Afterward, the District Court judge, Dora L. Irizarry, said the officers’ testimony “was just incredible, and I say ‘incredible’ as a matter of law.”
“I believe these officers perjured themselves,” Judge Irizarry added. “In my view, there is a serious possibility that some evidence was fabricated by these officers.”
...and?Quote:
Originally Posted by char
tell us more. what do you know of bipolar, MPD, fractured psyche? any experience with it, either helping others who have one of those situations, or having one of them yourself?
how about mental hospitals? been in one? visited anyone residing in one? worked in one? what do you think of Kesey's One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? overblown exaggeration for plot and story, or close to reality?
not picking on you char, I'd have these Qs in response to what you wrote no matter who wrote it.
this is so weak, criticism isn't valid unless an alternative is on offer? I see such thoughts displayed, and I say to myself, "there's someone who knows nothing about the process of complex problem solving."Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
what is the "some value" of an entity investigating itself and its own agenda?
in what world is DOJ on the side of citizens, rather than govt?
Because no matter how fucking jaded or bitter you are, some people who work for government actually care about the people and what happens to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by creaky fossil
shit, you speak of a fictional construct in your mind, and you think I inhabit the constructQuote:
Originally Posted by powtario
slayin' the straw men, one mistaken read at a time!
gosh, good people in govt! what a concept! you know anyone who works in a govt job, kiddo? you worked one yrseff, kiddo?
good handle switch. really clever. "Hey, I like arguing non-points and being condescendingly passive-aggressive, makes me feel superior! Who am I? 3 guesses. HAH HAH HAH. heh."
Actually I know a fuckload of Federal employees who care deeply about their fellow citizens and only want to make the country better, you jaded old fuck. They certainly aren't in it for the money.
Very few of those people were/are in elected office, however. You pretty much have to be an egomaniacal whore for those positions by definition.
good for you, you perpetuate the myth, you idealistic arrogant not-quite-as-old-as-me copulator
meanwhile, I spent plenty time (no "of" as I'm emulating a Cajun here, maybe Carville?) doing shit in the swamp, bro. but I'd listen to an optimistic well-paid yupster in DC instead of me, I mean the one who perpetuates the problems surely knows how to fix them.
right?
Oh I know you and Hugh did your time here, and I do admit that there are plenty people in the Govt. who are doing their best to maintain the status quo (some even believe that's for the best.) However you cannot state honestly that all Bureaucrats are corrupt, or even that a majority are. My folks worked at DOE and the LOC respectively - how exactly were they out trying to screw the little guy? How about my best man, whose job it is to try to drum up enough money and resources for FEMA to be able to help people after a disaster? How about my neighbor who works for GAO? It's not like he can skim profits.
We aren't talking about the political appointees here, Creaky. The vast majority of GS-drawing workers actually do believe in what they are doing and that it makes a difference (and most of the time it does - remember the handwringing when the govt. shut down?) If they didn't they'd work in the private sector and make more money... and be free to whinge about how the Fed sucks so bad.
It's lazy and lame to simply say "the system sucks and is corrupt" while not offering up any solutions or alternatives. It's retarded to blame the employees for the shortcomings of their bosses.
workin' hard to vitalize and cast in granite that keen old myth
the system's great when you make 6+ digits for doing nothing that helps anyone but yrseff, eh bro?
try hard tippecanoe, try really hard. you might get taken seriously by someone other than your mirror's reflection!
WTF are you talking about? What "myth" are you obsessing about? Are you so over the law that you're now espousing anarchy? That the only good bureaucrat is a dead one, or at least one that's unemployed? Very few of them make 6 figures, btw - even Senators and Representatives "only" get $175k and they can't all retire to the mountains like you.
Please segue into my being a member of the media makes me blind to the reality of the "real America." If you're nice I'll let you touch my Illuminati decoder ring that my corporate overlords gave me. Hurry tho - the Rapture is nearly upon us.