Competence

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Originally Posted by Mofro261

Maybe in line with what Lee alluded to in terms of mental aspects, # 6 displays humility and respect for the mountain environment.

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I think understands/internalizes/feels is better than displays. nitpicky probably but going through the motions because that's the process you learned doesn't seem quite the same as being 100% in the moment diligently comprehending the environment and your place in it while you go through the process

looks like some others already had the same idea. also, having not done it in a BC snow sense, does trip planning not involve possible alternatives ahead of time so that a decisionmaking process has already taken place with regard to certain variables? if the problem Is goal-oriented people shouldn't trip planning involve alternatives to diffuse that? instead of saying "we only skied low angle pow" as a lesser say at the beginning that we're going in this area and going to have the best safest trip given the conditions rather than "we're going to try to climb such and such." also semanticky but a mindset. I used to be hyper goal oriented. now I have become much more about gratefully receiving what is safely presented.

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Originally Posted by spook

does trip planning not involve possible alternatives ahead of time so that a decisionmaking process has already taken place with regard to certain variables?

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this is one of the most important components of a "plan." if you don't have options, you don't have shit.

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Originally Posted by ecowhit

I try not to ski with people who are overly objective oriented. This includes a lot of my climber/alpinist friends. With them it's often all about the objective with a name and being able to tell others what they did. As opposed to saying "it wasn't the day, we skied low angle powder". These are often the people who don't seem to really enjoy the simple act of sliding on snow. Touring with skiers who are relaxed and ok with simply skiing some powder when conditions don't allow is key. I like going for objectives, but realize that life is long and the line will be there.
I also avoid people who don't get out enough, even if they're in shape and knowledgeable. When you only get to ski a few days a month your ampness can override logic. This is dangerous.

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The ability to change behavior in the wake of a mistake is also important imo. It's interesting how that sorts, and how many people refuse to do this. For slides, I'm amazed how many people after an incident spend a lot of time talking about how experienced and careful they all were, and that it "just happened" after all precautions were taken...so they spend a couple weeks wigged out, then often do nothing to change their behavior. Only a minority seem able to say, Gee, we screwed up, here's what we will do differently for the future. For instance, will they always utilize ALP TRUTH or a similar tool? Very often people may even be aware of it, but the answer will be "sometimes, depending on the day and who I'm with," i.e. the tool becomes useless because they don't systematically apply it.

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Originally Posted by flowing alpy

i got #1 dialed in but have been minimizing the extreme gnar to avoid taking a #2 in the shorts.

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Made my 2014.

Happy new year on that note.

Stay away from objective/goal oriented backcountry partners. Find a safe road/area up, see if it might work to have a alternate plan or 3+ plans down.

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Originally Posted by SkyIsland

The ability to change behavior in the wake of a mistake is also important imo. It's interesting how that sorts, and how many people refuse to do this. For slides, I'm amazed how many people after an incident spend a lot of time talking about how experienced and careful they all were, and that it "just happened" after all precautions were taken...so they spend a couple weeks wigged out, then often do nothing to change their behavior. Only a minority seem able to say, Gee, we screwed up, here's what we will do differently for the future. For instance, will they always utilize ALP TRUTH or a similar tool? Very often people may even be aware of it, but the answer will be "sometimes, depending on the day and who I'm with," i.e. the tool becomes useless because they don't systematically apply it.

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yo jong aint much rules herfe youre free to only post in slide zone threads and enjoy the anonymity, but care to quantify your experience and # of days you spend touring
you could be bruce almighty or the most extreme armchair qb master of the community