ahhh, the sweet feeling of bloody orange stuff draining onto a clean gauze ... next time I'll remember to cut my damn nails before going on a 30 mile backpacking trip!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
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ahhh, the sweet feeling of bloody orange stuff draining onto a clean gauze ... next time I'll remember to cut my damn nails before going on a 30 mile backpacking trip!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Well, there's your problem right there. You will lose toenails as long as you ski those boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan Explosion
I have no idea why people are willing to put themselves through that sort of pain. If you need to size a boot down that far, you are most likely in the wrong boot.
had an awesome/gross black toe incident last night
played soccer for the first time in a long time and my cleats are not exactly the most comfortable. I knew with 15 minutes left in the game i was going to have a bloody toe.
I decided that i was going to needle it from the front when i get home, but thought i should actually trim the nail first so that i had less to go under. as soon as the nail was clipped it my hand was covered in blood as it shot out instantly. Drained for most of the day, and today i felt like a normal toe.
I got them all the time playing basketball and rugby. The hole in the nail is the best treatment. Do it the day of the injury and the nail will stay on. Wait a day or two and the nail usually falls of. I like the hole better than under the nail because it seems to bleed off pressure longer without clotting.
I used to use a small drill bit in my cordless drill. Drill 90% of the way through and then finish with an exacto knife. Snowbird clinic actually has a special tool for the job. A little battery powered pen with a wire on the end. Hold the button for a few secs and the wire glows red and melts through the toe in 2 seconds with no pain.
Damn, I got it bad. Forgot how this worked and waited until the second day to decompress. Waited like a week and skied some runs over the weekend and now I'm in pain and might be infected and don't know when I'll ski again.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._2607283_n.jpg
Some good tips in here. Started soaking in a very warm solution of Epsom salt and Chlorhexadine surgical scrub, bacitracin and bandaids after. And I'm wearing flipflops whenever possible. Thinking about a finger cot with bacitracin if I can find some that aren't that tight.
If we weren't heading into the thick of the season I'd go for the full ablation in a heartbeat.
FML
Maybe it's the camera angle but holy shit dude, I would be more worried about that first met-head on your left foot.
I believe that's called a 'bunion'.Quote:
Originally Posted by westoxified
It makes me sad to see people continually torturing themselves by putting themselves in boots that are too short.
I'll bold this:
THE REASON YOU'RE LOSING TOENAILS IS BECAUSE THERE IS SPACE AT THE JUNCTION OF YOUR LOWER LEG AND INSTEP AND YOUR FOOT CAN SLIDE FORWARD. Sizing down your boot will NOT prevent this, and buckling tighter will NOT prevent this, because it has to do with the contour of your shin and instep vs. the boot's contour.
Once again:
[ame="http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107763"]Heretical Bootfitting Theory - Teton Gravity Research Forums[/ame]
If your feet slide around, the best solution is to start putting some bootfitting foam on the boot tongue, over your instep, and up your lower leg, until all the room is taken up and your heel is locked back where it's supposed to be.
Most people have a bunch of room there and can stuff quite a bit of bootfitting foam in there. Tongue boots (Krypton, Full Tilt) have a buckle that can snug the area down somewhat, which often helps...but most of you will probably have to go to a bootfitter. Note that many bootfitters will tell you this isn't the problem and you need to size your shell down: tell them politely but firmly that you're not interested and need this space filled up.
Semantics. But whatever, it's a sign of a larger problem with belongs in another thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spats
Well, it's not the camera angle that thing is definitely fucked but it doesnt hurt so I'm gonna do anythign about it just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by westoxified
That larger problem which can likely be fixed/helped with a good footbed which will also go a long way to fix the black toe problem. ie: prevent the foot from lengthening under pressure, create more volume at the mid foot which may well help hold you back in the heel pocket better. The right foot bunion isn't far behind. Size wise yes, dysfunction wise not far at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by westoxified
The point of buying a tight fitting boot (shorter shell) is not the shorter shell itself but to achieve much snugger fit in the areas spats is talking about...... front of the ankle/midfoot and instep. The shorter shell is not the goal it is the means of achieving this fit.
BTW do NOT buy boots sized to accommodate the bunions you will just create more black toe issues. Buy boots that fit where it is important and modify the right sized boots to accommodate the bunion.
Yeah, I was dealing with volume issues in the mid foot and ankle areas of my old boots so I went down a shell size and got top of the line custom footbeds. A new DFP 'HD' intuition liner is next. The toe box seems to have enough room now after lots of work but the liner is really tight so that's compounding the problem.
Doc agrees my right toe nail is infected so I'm on Keflex now, hopefully will be back on skis soon.
Strangely, that bunion doesn't require punching of the shell and doesn't hurt, ever. I do generally punch the outsides of both in the 'sixth' and 'seventh' toe areas.
Crossing my fingers that these boots will work, lots of time and money invested so far.
get it removed. I'm going on ~1 month now since my left nail was yanked out and killed off, and it is infinitely better than having an ingrown toenail ever again. I was in a lot of pain the first week, mostly because the quality dr's here in Butte don't believe in antibiotics and it got infected. If that hadn't happened, I bet I would have been able to ski within a week.
Still looks gnarly when I get out of the shower / pool. The raw part swells right up with fluid, that I can squish out and is this weird orange - clear colour, with a few chunks in it. I might get it checked out if it doesn't stop that in the next week or two
Sounds awesome!
Really though, I am seriously considering this for both feet but I'd like to wait until ski season is over to do it.
probably a good idea. If my right one ends up ingrown I'll probably just get side cut out if it is during ski season so I don't have the recovery time to deal with.
I thought I might be the only one here who knew who the fuck Ashley MacIssac was, we should start a thread under books and music, unless he drills toenails at a ski shop on Cape Breton Island...Quote:
Originally Posted by L7
Both toenails off, getting ablation in the AM.
Stoked?
I read this thread... mostly. I felt so inclined to actually register just to give you guys some personal insight.
I'm an out of shape 300+lb male with a shoe size of 12. I went on a canoe trip recently, and wore my boots that I've had for a long time. They have a very snug fit, and my toenails were not trimmed before going. Although my entire trip pretty much consisted of me sitting in a canoe, not even moving my feet, the next day I had a constant pain in my left big toe.
The following day, I noticed my black toenail (just a small part on the left side, not the entire nail). I have never had the pleasure, so I had absolutely no idea it could have been a blister under the nail. My wife actually went through nail tech school. She was sure it was a fungus, because of her schooling. I didn't think so, because I thought it was a bruise because of the way it felt and the fact that it was exactly where my toes were crossed in my tight shoe.
After putting anti-fungal treatments on the toe for it to do nothing, finally I decided to consult google -- something I've been banned from doing lol. It lead me here, and I just wanted to say that there is absolutely no way that anything outside of sheer pressure caused my issue. I didn't even walk on my foot. I don't use my boots very often, and the salesman sold me the same crap that a tight fit is what I wanted in a boot when I got it. I should have just gone elsewhere, and know better now. I promptly purchased new boots, which feel soo much better on my feet.
I doubt getting tighter boots would ever do anything but make this issue worse -- my case is a perfect example, since there was no movement involved proving that couldn't have been a factor.
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Originally Posted by beaterdit
So...Isn't it awesome after it's all done and healed?
Soo about a month back I sliced open that little bit of skin that holds the end of the living nail to my toe. Bled like a mofo for a while, and for a couple weeks I was hopeful I could keep it. But the center part of the toe nail bed has been peeling back for a while, think its all the way to the end now. I've been chopping the nail back as I could. I'm exposing nasty crusty/scaly skin as I go under the center of the nail. Last night I trimmed too much I guess, started under the shitty dead center and went to the sides, but apparently the sides that I trimmed are still alive and gentle tugging led to pain and (healthy) fluid. I slapped a band aid on it so they wouldn't catch and went to bed.
So, what should I do? Trim off the bits I've got now (left the nail slivers so I could get grip for option 2). Option 2, vice grip that shit and pull. Option 3, leave it under the band aid and try a gentle pull day after day till it comes.
I had kind of assumed as I saw the gaping hole under the center of the nail that I was going to lose the whole thing eventually. Is that maybe not the case? Worried about it growing back with all that scorched earth shit underneath.
I vote for option 2.
Be sure to make a sound/video recording of the screaming and post it to youtoobs and put linky here.
OR
Have some paitence and wait, it will do its own thing in time and eventually the toenail fairy will bring you a new one.
BTW the toenail fairy likes Makers Mark, leave in unmarked paper bag outside door.
Woah, seems you actually understood that wall of text. Here's a picture anyways. The red/brown scorched earth shit goes all the way back to the back end I'm pretty sure.
http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/...ps501b3a3d.jpg
Poked and pried in the shower, apparently wet doesn't make any difference.
I'm assuming you did self surgery to save cash, so it might not be an option... But I just had a podiatrist rip mine off, and problem solved - about $100. It was worth it because it was getting infected and hurting enough to not wear shoes (and it was already drained)...Quote:
Originally Posted by angrysasquatch
If not possible I'd just wait, and bandaid over.
From experience it'll hurt like a mother if you catch that nail on socks, blankets, carpet, etc...
Get out of the back seat.
Trim the loose bits back to where they are attached and retrim anything that becomes loose. I wouldn't try to force the issue--no reason to damage healthy nail matrix. Use antibiotic ointment like neosporin on the raw crusted nail base, cover with a bandaid, reapply and change daily until intact skin. See how the nail grows back. If it grows back funny you can have it removed at a later time but no reason to force the issue now. Self surgery without local anesthetic will be very painful. If you do it make sure to post on youtube. Log on to healthcare.gov and get insurance.
Thanks for the replies. I'm a filthy socialist Canadian, but I just kind of like taking care of little shit myself. Oh, and not skiing, breakable crust+ hot tub snow dash + drunk. Caught the bugger on the crust when I broke thru, shitty luck.
In that case I have to charge you for my professional advice. PM sent.Quote:
Originally Posted by angrysasquatch
Put on your lumberjack outfit, drink a bunch of whiskey, yank.
Be sure to wear your gopro for this.
Bumping this thread. As a root cause, backseat airs, & tail gunning make's sense to me. Had an amazing early season pow day, last week. Full charge mode, air off everything, type of day. Probably tail gunning quite a bit in spots to deal with weird consolidated man made pow to. But my right toe is now a blackened mess. Always the right toe, it the slight larger of my two feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by vtdownhiller
Boots feel really good. In Rx130 with GFT liners, no pain points, heels locked. Nothing extreme, running 1 size lower shell than street shoe size.
Just wondering if anyone else has tried the padding hack over the toe box trick described above. Or is there something else I should be thinking about.
I got the black right big toe beginning of last season cuz i stuffed a too-thick heated sock in the boot,
in any case the root cause was not enough room for the toe in a boot I have successfully used for 15 yrs,
so I yesturday on 1st day using the socks this season I swapped out the full length SOLE foot bed for something thinner a 3/4 custom job and no problem this morning
My probelm last year was obvuously TOO much padding
so I would think your toe is hitting something
If it's only one foot, and on the longer foot, I'd also check the liners. My right foot is over a full size longer than my left, and the papa toe went black and was lost for almost 10 years straight. It turned out that although the shell fit was good, the liners were short lasted. I ended cutting the liner to give more room for the toe, and problem solved.
Thanks guys. I'm going to start by trying a super thin sock, and then maybe a trim on the right foot bed, before I cut open my zipfits :)
Yes. Cut the liner. Several vertical slits have helped my side width . Not all the way through.
Never done it on the toe
Zip fits. Huh. Maybe shave a chunk off the front of the toe?
I’d rather trash I liner for science than lose a toenail.