So. My girl is going up to vancouver to take the SEC assesment to get her nursing license for BC Dec 3rd. Has all the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmcrawfo
Where specifically are you?
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So. My girl is going up to vancouver to take the SEC assesment to get her nursing license for BC Dec 3rd. Has all the above.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmcrawfo
Where specifically are you?
Thought you were moving to Bozeman?Quote:
Originally Posted by Z
Doood. Sick.
FYI Seb is guiding at Mike Wiegele's now. Lucky bastard is living it.
I am in Vernon, but the entire health authority is screaming for nurses. http://careers.roomtogrowbc.com/ Kelowna and Kamloops always have positions open. But the health authority covers a massive area, so plenty of options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z
Just a note, on the website positions listed as "A+" are not actual positions, but open place holders for applicants. They often reflect casual positions. Its a unionized work environment, so many more postings are internally posted, and can be applied for once you are hired on as a casual. If you want contact info for a recruiter or beta on an area, PM me.
Cmcraw - Thanks for the tips. The lady is psyched, hopefully she will pass the assessment, these areas eager to hire a gringo? Will hit you up after the new year for sure!
I am here. Dig it so far. But in love with Interior BC. Want to make some turns?Quote:
Originally Posted by nest
phish - Sebastian? Awesome. Did he have a canadian girlfriend or something? Very cool.
Why do you say that? I didnt get registered in the province I was educated in, but don't remember any big issues when getting in with CRNBC. Managed to write the NCLEX too. Hopefully the registration thing doesn't come back to bite me.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmcrawfo
Saluting the docs sounds hilarious and absurd. Glad I didn't have to live through that shit.
If you dont register in the province you write your exam in, it delays the initial licensing process by a few weeks , but the bigger issue is if you decide to licence in another province or the province your were initially educated in ...why ? I dont really know. It was explained to me that it had do do with verifying your credentials and that they only keep your exams for so many years unless you register... it made little sense to me, but turns out they were right.
I completed my education in Ontario, licensed first in BC. 6 years later, applied for a licence in Ontario ... had to go through a very drawn out process (about a month longer than my wife, who was educated and licensed only in BC previously) .... really, I think its only a big deal if you ever plan on working in another region ..... I never thought I was going to be in Ontario again, turned out it was a lesson learned..... thankfully its all behind me, and I am back in BC .... dealing with the nightmare that is having CRNBC recognize my Nurse Practitioner Credential (thankfully that's less important to me than slaying POW).
....Funnier than saluting Dr's ( Truly it was more of a stand up, give them your chair and be quiet until they leave ) nurses didn't even take blood pressures!!! ... and yes, there are still nursing managers alive today that lived and breathed that shit.
When my GF was in the ICU at Royal Jubilee in Victoria, there was an older woman working in the old school uniform. White skirt, white leggings, the weird tiara thing. In 2010, surrounded by docs, nurses, RTs, everyone else in scrubs. Seemed like she was the mgr, or at least a go-to resource for the other nurses on duty. It was surreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmcrawfo
It would be awesome to be able to rep an old school uniform ... cross dressing aside.
Some people like the old uniforms, nurses are easily identifiable and all that...but no easy solution for the non cross-dressing guys!
My mom tells me how the very sick patients used to be expected to sit up straight when the docs came in the room. There is still a bit of that old school deference going on. After starting my work career outside of health care, I'm still surprised at how reluctant people seem to call docs by their first names.
Too bad CRNBC doesn't want to recognise your NP designation? I've wondered about doing the NP thing at some point myself, but I'm also just stoked to ski powder and don't want to step away from that for too long...Besides the job is good here. Actually just a short drive north of you. Best part is the easy access to the Monashees.
He's making it work by living/working in CO for the summers and back up to BC every winter. I think this is his 4th season up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Z
If CRNBC could get and keep their shit together, it would be much simpler. Their requirements for out of province NP's has changed 3 times in 4 years....the last change was not in my favor. They are also the only Canadian province to require their NP's to write the american exam. I think the BCMA is highly influential and negatively affecting NP practice in the Provence. In comparison to other Provinces (On, AB), BC is easily 10-15 years behind in terms of employment opportunities and acceptance in the medical community ... although, they have had one of the broadest scopes of practice until recently ...... Even if I had credentials today finding a job would challenging, they just dont exist. I think in 2012 they boasted less than 200 practicing NPs (2000+ in Ontario, 600+ AB).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Crank
I have no regrets, right now I am just stoked to get back in the POW POW.... besides, primary care is a 9-5 job... and all the pay and autonomy in the world wont make 9-5 appealing to me. 12hr shifts, weekday pow, and the ability to check all responsibility at the door on my way home are things that I will truly enjoy again. The nice thing about nursing, is there is such variety and opportunity.
my wife is a NP. I'll echo what GR said in that sometimes pure mountain town gigs can be found simply because it's tough to live in Vail or Aspen so the number of qualified candidates is small and turnover can be high. Keep looking and if we can ever be of any help, let me know.
Summit- are you done now?
Most of the jobs in Montana are listed on Jobs.Mt.gov It's a good website. I think the big takeaway from this whole conversation is don't move and expect to get hired in the mountain west, get hired and then move.
Yep. And get a specialty. My wife's a WOCN, and she can get a job just about anywhere. I have a friend who is a nurse anaesthetist; she makes over $200k a year, working every other week, and can pretty much live wherever she wants to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigMontana
Bedside nursing is a solid foundation to a shitload of opportunities that pay better and have better working conditions.
My sister is a CRNA as well, great money. However in some places, like here in Vail, they don't use CRNAs at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyoverland Captive
My wife specializes in Oncology, she's never had an issue finding a job. That being said, she doesn't change jobs often either. Only 2 since she became a NP.
BSN is not better...but the academicians and Nursing elite who are masters or PHD prepared Nurses believe BSN should be the entry level degree. It is too bad, as many BSN Nurses come out of school with less clinical time than associates degree Nurses.
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Originally Posted by BC13
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Update:
She was just elected President of the State Board of Student Nurses! So, we are stuck in NJ until at least May 2015 now, but its huge for her career/resume.
Hadn't checked this thread in a while!
Yea finished a while ago! Enjoying the ICU.Quote:
Originally Posted by montanaskier
This simply isn't true. In most areas they are near equal for hours. In many areas, the BSN programs have more clinical hours and more externship opportunities; around here this is certainly the case. Some ADN programs are having trouble finding enough clinical placements for the state minimums.Quote:
Originally Posted by BC13
AND? AND? AND??? Tell us! You moved to BC yet? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Z
Being a state Student Nurse Association officer is a great way to make connections in your state :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
So, I don't want to start a new forum for this, but I'm curious as to what you view as appropriate attire for interview. Staff Nurse? Nursing Sup? Nurse Manager? DON?
In my mind(in San Francisco):dress jeans/chinos and collared shirt, tucked, for staff nurse; nursing sup, add a jacket; nurse manager, suit without tie; DON, with a tie.
Your thoughts? I have done quite a few interviews, and I really didn't pay attention to what the candidate was wearing. Except, the chick in the suit made me uncomfortable, and the slutty one in the short tight skirt had a drug problem.
pics please.Quote:
Originally Posted by BS720
^^"So, we are conducting interviews this week, and we will be getting back to you the beginning of next week. Say, do you mind if we take a picture to put a name with the application? Great. So, smile and say cheese! No, the vertical one."
^^^ I've seen hundreds of resumes from Philipinos; they almost all include a picture, and list marital status and religious affiliation. And mind you, some of them are smokin' hotties... Nurses should be hired based on hotness. If I'm getting a sponge bath, I'd prefer it not be done by someone who looks like Ernest Borgnine.
She graduates in a couple weeks. She is valedictorian of her class. She took two practice NCLEX exams and scored in the 99th percentile nationally. She already has multiple hospitals in the area contacting HER via LinkedIn, etc. Roughly 11 months till we can make a move out west :biggrin:
Good luck.
Me and my GF are in the same boat. She's ripping and our backs are packed... just two years left :(
FWIW, Bozeman Deaconess is building a little local hospital in Big Sky pretty soon. Maybe get in contact with them asap if you're interested. I also heard from a nurse friend of mine that they were hiring at the Bozeman hospital, too. Being a "small" town, you'd probably have a great shot at getting hired straight outta school as opposed to places like Denver and other major cities.
Curious: what do they pay in nurses at Bozeman?
Metro areas are competitive, but they have 1000s of inpatient beds needing nurses.
Aren't there the MSU-Bozeman BSN and ABSN programs pumping out nurses? There is one 86 bed hospital for the whole region.
I used to know/still know some Bozeman RNs. I think they do okay by Bozeman standards but worse than nurses do in larger cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Thing is for a new graduate it's extremely difficult to get a job in a hospital w/o acute care experience unless you have a connection. When I graduate I'll be willing to accept pretty much any pay in order to accumulate acute care nursing experience.
5-8 years ago everyone was being told to be a nurse. All the boomers will need nurses as they age, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildmanwillie
Is there just some huge oversupply now?
Nursing is still the go to "I'm not sure what to do with my life/ I have a degree that I don't know how to monetize" thing to do amongst friends and acquaintances in their mid 20s to early 30s.
Seems like so many people with 4 year degrees in whatever go back for another 2-4 years to be a nurse. Most of the people I know in this demographic are still in nursing school, but it sounds like it could be a rough road ahead for them.
People get all excited about nursing because they are "bored" or have suffered job insecurity. "There's money in nursing and it is a safe bet!" They hear that from their family members who read some 10x recycled jobs advice article from someone who graduated last in their journalism school. They heard "There will be a nursing shortage!" They all pictured glamorous shots from Scrubs and ER. Nobody read the small print where it said, "shortages highest in long term care nursing and around about 2020 or 2025 assuming that we don't have advances in efficiency through technology or by hiring minimum wage folks with 200 hours of votech school to replace the college professionals wherever possible." But, many people got that "nursing your safe middle class career memo." You see some nursing schools rejecting a higher percentage of applicants than some medical schools and new nursing schools opening and expanding all over the place, many of them shady for-profits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevo
Nursing is not a present-and-accounted-for desk job, but some combination of physical work and injury hazard (among the highest back injury rates out there), long/weird hours, emotional burdens, dirty work with continuing education thrown on top, a new industry emphasis on customer satisfaction scores, and as much managerial pressure to document care into the computer as to actually care for the patient.
Depending on the specialty, there may be complex analysis and critical thinking and snap-second decisions with major consequences.
A lot of people don't realize this and leave the profession after 1-3 years. Yet, nurses need experience before they are efficient and effective.
So, there is a lack of experienced nurses and there is an overproduction of less desirable new nurses with false expectations who then have to fight each other for rotating part time night shifts at the nursing home hoping that in a year they can maybe get on night shift with the hospital.
Yes, your friends are probably in for a rougher road than they thought. Best of luck to them!
Hey Aaron - never responded to you. She took the test, but in order to get her BC license they are requiring her to take 2 4-day courses at the university. And then take their NCLEX. 3 years to do it. Still undecided there. A bit of money required to make it happen for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
As for Bozeman, I think Montana is not tops on the pay scale. Even though deaconess has a union.
Anyone have connections in the Bend area? Contemplating a move and my wife is putting out feelers. She's WOCN, currently working in home healthcare...
Don't forget the possibility of frivolous lawsuits by insane patients and being lorded over by 1st year medical residents who know much less than you do!Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
This seems to mirror what I have heard seen through my SO and her class mates. I'm just glad that she made it to a great hospital, loves the job and is very good at it. It is a really tough job that I couldn't imagine doing. Also, night shift is often required for new nurses - often for many years - and is not a lot of fun.
For a first year nurse in the Montana Nurses Association (union) I believe is about 23 and change an hour.
Great and accurate post Summit. I would like to add that this, "by hiring minimum wage folks with 200 hours of votech school to replace the college professionals wherever possible" may be true in some facilities, however the federal mandate that ~ 80% nurses be BSN prepared by 2020, coupled with 'magnate status' hospitals requiring BSN nurses, means that it would behoove all entering the profession to procure their BSN sooner rather than later.
Where I am employed (98 bed hospital) we have 5 full time RN positions open, ranging from home health to med/surg, and about 6-7 part time positions. So jobs are there, but as has been said numerous times, the applicant pool is large and it can be difficult to distinguish yourself from other new grads.
Looking really really really good for her to be getting a job in the surgical ICU unit where she interned last summer. Nothing is 100%, but the director essentially told her the job is hers for the taking!!!!
She got hired in the Telemetry Unit! They all agreed that starting out in the ICU would be a big leap. She starts orientation first week of September.
We will be looking for a hospital for her to transfer to out west when her Presidency of the NJNSA ends in May 2015 :)
Congrats!
Nice one, Hopefully it works out for you and you can get out of the land of spray tans and into the lands of snow tans.