rolex watches...really?

While we are on this and it seems like there are watch experts on here. Is there a type of movement that is significantly better and why? When you buy a multi thousand dollar watch are you paying for the name? design? movement? materials and what would the ratio be as it applies to cost? I ask because it seems I've had Seiko's that kept as good a time as my TAG Heuer.

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Originally Posted by Ski to Be

While we are on this and it seems like there are watch experts on here. Is there a type of movement that is significantly better and why? When you buy a multi thousand dollar watch are you paying for the name? design? movement? materials and what would the ratio be as it applies to cost? I ask because it seems I've had Seiko's that kept as good a time as my TAG Heuer.

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Why buy a Porsche when you can have a Volkswagon? The pussy is one reason.

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Originally Posted by commonlaw

So untrue. Easy to believe though, since many morons buy them.

edit: after a re-read, this looks like a knock on morons, not rolex's. Anyone knocking rolex found an easy target but have never owned one or done the research.

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I'm not really knocking them only talking about the perception of the brand among a certain segment i.e it's more impressive to those that aren't interested in watches than it is to some of those who are interested in watches (unless it's a vintage one) - and to my mind expensive watches are all about perception.

With the crackdown on corruption in China there'll perhaps be some seriously good deals on watches out there in the near future

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Originally Posted by Cono Este

No way! I'll take you to the Frank Muller store and you will thank me later with my own!

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What? Seriously? You mad bro?

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Originally Posted by Ski to Be

While we are on this and it seems like there are watch experts on here. Is there a type of movement that is significantly better and why? When you buy a multi thousand dollar watch are you paying for the name? design? movement? materials and what would the ratio be as it applies to cost? I ask because it seems I've had Seiko's that kept as good a time as my TAG Heuer.

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The best (most accurate) timekeepers are quartz. Everything else is workmanship, aesthetics, materials, and cachet.

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Originally Posted by Ski to Be

While we are on this and it seems like there are watch experts on here. Is there a type of movement that is significantly better and why? When you buy a multi thousand dollar watch are you paying for the name? design? movement? materials and what would the ratio be as it applies to cost? I ask because it seems I've had Seiko's that kept as good a time as my TAG Heuer.

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Right. I had a Seiko I bought in 1981 and kept for fifteen years, and kept perfect time throughout that period. I was working in photo darkrooms a lot then, too, around water and chemicals. Nice looking watch.

What the hell happened to that damn thing? Probably lost it.

That said, I'd love to own one of the classic Rolex watches still out there, like the Datejust. Very understated. Very classy. But, I won't. My Swiss Army is just fine at 125 from Sierra Trading Post.

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Originally Posted by Hombre215

Depending on your price range, a few suggestions:

Sub $500: Hamilton & Tissot. Both swiss ETA mechanical movements on most watches. Hamilton Khaki King is my daily wear. If you're going on the lower end, Orient (Japanese mechanical) and Seiko make good looking, reliable watches.

$500-$1000: Christopher Ward is really nice and generally in this price range. You can also find a few MeisterSinger models in that price range, which are interesting watches b/c they are single hand mechanical movements.

$1000-$1500: Frederique Constant makes great watches in this range that feature in house movements, rare for this price point. You can probably find a few vintage Omegas or Breitlings (maybe) in this price range if you really look.

If you're interested in Rolex's go here: http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/

Those people know their stuff, and you can generally find great deals on vintage pieces (both Rolex and Tudor - I personally prefer the vintage Snowflake Tudor over many Rolex watches)

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Hombre likes his watches. My dad was a watch guy.

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Originally Posted by mtngirl79

How much gear, how many ski trips, how nice of a car, house, boat, how many toys does one have to have to find the need to spend that much money on a watch? Or do people value a fancy watch more than more useful toys? They don't even have altimeters or any other useful functions...

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^^^ the obvious question

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Originally Posted by Ski to Be

While we are on this and it seems like there are watch experts on here. Is there a type of movement that is significantly better and why? When you buy a multi thousand dollar watch are you paying for the name? design? movement? materials and what would the ratio be as it applies to cost? I ask because it seems I've had Seiko's that kept as good a time as my TAG Heuer.

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Movement means nothing in the age of quartz digital watches with built-in radio clock receivers. If you work where there is no radio clock transmitter (mariners, pilots, and mining), buy one with GPS time receivers like the new Seiko.

personally, for outdoor sports, i'd just buy something with an altimeter/barometer/thermometer. for daily wear, an orient or a seiko. for feel good luxury, an omega. for ultra-0.1%, buy a breguet.

i like the mechanical/automatic watches because i think running without a battery is cool, but you can do better with that money if you want to be practical.

i don't like rolex's blingy style, so would never get one, but the low-key, practical rolexes (read: no diamond/gold/jeweled faces) are good watches.

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Originally Posted by keipow

i don't like rolex's blingy style, so would never get one, but the low-key, practical rolexes (read: no diamond/gold/jeweled faces) are good watches.

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Submariner FTW. Love that watch, but I like my IWC Aquatimer better.

Santa brougt me a Luminox...love it.

All of my "expensive" watches never get worn. I imagine the Luninox will stay on until the band snaps.

What time is it? Oh, wait.

I'm finishing a deal on a two tone Yachtmaster with gold bezel and white dial today (I think). Beautiful watch, just gorgeous. Will I wear it everyday - no. But I'm buying it right, and it's partially an investment.

The bottom line is that most of the watches mentioned aren't worth squat after they leave the jewelers case, whereas a Rolex holds pretty well, so yeah, you'll pay up front but will get a good chunk back later.

My everyday watch is a Breitling Aerospace which has invaluable functions as I travel a lot and it works with me. I also just picked up a Breitling SuperOcean Heritage with blue bezel and dial, and lace band-another superb looking watch. None of the usual Breitling bling, just a beautiful timeless style.

Oh, and for the "I use my phone" douches, just try using that when diving, or kayaking, or, or. Dumb.

I suspect that those who consider watches an investment have a pretty crappy portfolio. Or have someone else manage their trust fund.

First of, yes Rolex is a quality watch that can be worn every day for years and years, hence the second hand market. You can buy a fifty year old Rolie that is as good as new. But, there is a maintenance cost with good watches, especially mechanical. You should have it serviced yearly (but in reality every couple of years), and like Ferrari mechanics, servicing a Rolex will cost more if you have a factory certified tech do the work.

To me the only down side of a Rolex is you are paying several thousand dollars for the name. An equally good Omega, Breitling, Tag, et al will cost much less and still be fantastic watches. The only reason to own a Rolex is that you want to own a Rolex, not that there is anything wrong with that.

I love a mechanical watch, but even the best are not as accurate as a cheap quarts watch. That is just reality.

The bottom line is buy what you enjoy, fuck what other people think. These days nobody is really impressed by what watch you wear. If you sports blingy Rolie, people figure it's a knock off. I love watches, so I pay attention to what people are wearing, and the label never impresses me, but I do notice they style. People wearing those hideous giant watches that look like an alarm clock strapped to their wrist look ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by bite me

Oh, and for the "I use my phone" douches, just try using that when diving, or kayaking, or, or. Dumb.

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I use my phone.

My vehicle has a clock in the dash, no need to check my watch or phone when driving. Maybe you spent too much on your fancy-dancy watch, and couldn't afford the clock option for your vehicle.

You need to look at your watch when your kayaking? I use a tracking app on my phone. It not only tells me the time, but also tracks my position, speed, and plots it all on a map for future reference. Plus it takes pictures and video of the amazing scenery, and of my friends runs playing the eddies.

Or, or. Dumb.

Face it. You like the watch because you think its pretty. Your other reasons are not rational/practical, just self delusion. Douche.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

I suspect that those who consider watches an investment have a pretty crappy portfolio. Or have someone else manage their trust fund.

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There are a few watches that can be bought and sold as investments. But like art, it all comes down to who wants to buy it. The market can be robust of soft, but in general I agree, buying watches as investment is usually a pretty dumb idea.

For Bite it: I just got a Breit super ocean harvest in brown face and bezel with the mesh bracelet. 38mm for my scrawny wrist. Pretty sweet watch which is no my daily driver alternating with a Tag aqua-racer.

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Originally Posted by iscariot

I use my phone.

My vehicle has a clock in the dash, no need to check my watch or phone when driving. Maybe you spent too much on your fancy-dancy watch, and couldn't afford the clock option for your vehicle.

You need to look at your watch when your kayaking? I use a tracking app on my phone. It not only tells me the time, but also tracks my position, speed, and plots it all on a map for future reference. Plus it takes pictures and video of the amazing scenery, and of my friends runs playing the the eddies.

Or, or. Dumb.

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I said DIVING, not driving you imbecile. And yes, there's plenty of times when kayaking or other things that I need to be somewhere at a given time, and just looking at a watch versus getting a phone pout in inhospitable places makes sense.

Like on a chairlift when everyone has a phone but they ask me for the time.

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Originally Posted by hutash

There are a few watches that can be bought and sold as investments. But like art, it all comes down to who wants to buy it. The market can be robust of soft, but in general I agree, buying watches as investment is usually a pretty dumb idea.

For Bite it: I just got a Breit super ocean harvest in brown face and bezel with the mesh bracelet. 38mm for my scrawny wrist. Pretty sweet watch which is no my daily driver alternating with a Tag aqua-racer.

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I like that color too (seems better when they call it bronze). 38mm is small, mine's the 42. Seems like the larger one (46) is getting better resale, but I think that's just today's fashion with being stupid-large.

Looking for the Breitling rubber band to swap out with the bracelet as it seems pretty formal. Breitling rubber band >$400 is a non-starter for me. Maybe go with aftermarket gator or croc.

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Originally Posted by bite me

I said DIVING, not driving you imbecile. And yes, there's plenty of times when kayaking or other things that I need to be somewhere at a given time, and just looking at a watch versus getting a phone pout in inhospitable places makes sense.

Like on a chairlift when everyone has a phone but they ask me for the time.

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Ah yes, diving. My bad. I have dyslexia, and sometimes, particularly when I'm tired, it gets the better of me. I was diagnosed when I was in grade 3 and have done a lot of work for much of my life to minimize it. Imbecile.

Wearing a high end watch everyday, so you can look at the time for the large percentage of your life spent underwater. Look at career divers that do spend most of their time under water. They don't wear a Rolex. Usually its a watch that has dive functions and costs less. Wearing an expensive watch for diving is a silly rationale.

Inhospitable condidtions on the chairlift? That's why phones have weatherproof covers and cases. Glad people are always bugging you for the time. Must make you feel important when you show them your pretty watch.

As for kayaking (having to be somewere), my phone has an audible alarm that will sound to let me know when I have to be somewhere, that way I don't have to keep checking my watch.

Seriously. Just admit your penchant for pretty wristwear. It is not practical or an investment. It's vanity. Your dishonesty with yourself is a weakness, not a strength.




Your fancy-dancy watch is not dissimilar to a nice pair of earrings... or a pearl necklace.










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Originally Posted by hutash

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The bottom line is buy what you enjoy, fuck what other people think.

These days nobody is really impressed by what watch you wear.

People wearing those hideous giant watches that look like an alarm clock strapped to their wrist look ridiculous.

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this should sum up this thread nicely.

i love getting watches as gifts. I could never buy one, as they all look sweet.

Getting the in-dash clock option from your dealership always tacks on like $700. Might as well get a Rolex so you don't have to be a subtle douche. After all, in-dash clocks are taken for granted, dude.

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Originally Posted by DasBlunt

this should sum up this thread nicely.

i love getting watches as gifts. I could never buy one, as they all look sweet.

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Exactly.

It's a vanity piece that caught your eye. Maybe it makes you feel like a man because your dad wore one, or you saw it on Brad Pit in some manly advertising. Just be man enough to al least be honest about it.

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Originally Posted by MotherFucker

Getting the in-dash clock option from your dealership always tacks on like $700. Might as well get a Rolex so you don't have to be a subtle douche. After all, in-dash clocks are taken for granted, dude.

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Why pay for the in dash clock, when there's one in your stereo/car audio?

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Originally Posted by iscariot

Why pay for the in dash clock, when there's one in your stereo/car audio?

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Sure, if you can afford the extra $800 for the radio. I'd rather drive in silence, steer with my left hand at 12 on the wheel (gotta show off the Rolex), and dance to nothing if it meant I could get a $1500 watch. Plus, I'm driving to my kayak to go diving. What am I supposed to do then?

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Originally Posted by MotherFucker

Sure, if you can afford the extra $800 for the radio. I'd rather drive in silence, steer with my left hand at 12 on the wheel (gotta show off the Rolex), and dance to nothing if it meant I could get a $1500 watch. Plus, I'm driving to my kayak to go diving. What am I supposed to do then?

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Awesome.

Just about lost my coffee via my nose.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

I suspect that those who consider watches an investment have a pretty crappy portfolio. Or have someone else manage their trust fund.

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Say what? The fact that the portfolio is quite healthy (thank you) is an indication that some $ can be out aside for other, not as rewarding financially, but more esthetically pleasing things than a 401 or Raymond James statement.

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Originally Posted by iscariot

Ah yes, diving. My bad. I have dyslexia, and sometimes, particularly when I'm tired, it gets the better of me. I was diagnosed when I was in grade 3 and have done a lot of work for much of my life to minimize it. Imbecile.

Wearing a high end watch everyday, so you can look at the time for the large percentage of your life spent underwater. Look at career divers that do spend most of their time under water. They don't wear a Rolex. Usually its a watch that has dive functions and costs less. Wearing an expensive watch for diving is a silly rationale.

Inhospitable condidtions on the chairlift? That's why phones have weatherproof covers and cases. Glad people are always bugging you for the time. Must make you feel important when you show them your pretty watch.

As for kayaking (having to be somewere), my phone has an audible alarm that will sound to let me know when I have to be somewhere, that way I don't have to keep checking my watch.

Seriously. Just admit your penchant for pretty wristwear. It is not practical or an investment. It's vanity. Your dishonesty with yourself is a weakness, not a strength.




Your fancy-dancy watch is not dissimilar to a nice pair of earrings... or a pearl necklace.


Dyslexia seems to be only one problem with reading comprehension a close second.

Did I say I wore a Rolex diving? (and that's DIVING again, just fyi) No, the comment was in response to the smugness that when you have a phone (sniff) you don't need a watch. That was a stupid statement and was just calling it out giving a couple of examples. I typically wear my steep and cheap $59 Timex in the water fyi (no doubt that's probably too dear too, yes?).

Oh, and when I inquired about trading my Superocean Heritage on the Yachtmaster, I was given $200 more than I paid, so if done right, you can trade around without losing your shirt.

Yes, I like nice watches. I also like nice cars. and nice houses - life is short, I work real hard, so that's one way I enjoy to spend it. If you like cell phones and shitty cars and dumps, well, that's your call. Having some dyslexic internet douche give me crap about beautiful, state-of-the-art watches that will become family heirlooms is just laughable.

Anyway, please feel free to comment on things you're obviously clueless about.









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An "Investment" is not ... unless you are prepared to flog it for mo $ than you paid at the drop of a hat

and speaking to liquidity a Rolex doesn't sound like it, neither does a porshe or a ferrari or the cigerette boat or ski lodge you bought 10 years ago, its really just stuff you wanted that you are trying to rationalize to yourself

all the guys I have ever seen with a lot of money up here were usually covered in sawdust, driving dirty pickups and their cologne would be "eau de diesel"

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

I suspect that those who consider watches an investment have a pretty crappy portfolio. Or have someone else manage their trust fund.

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Fine art and wine have beaten stocks for the last twenty years.

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Originally Posted by bite me

Having some dyslexic internet douche give me crap about beautiful, state-of-the-art watches that will become family heirlooms is just laughable.

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Now we all know that in addition to being a rich fool who is easily parted from your money, you're are also an intolerant bigot who insults people's disabilities.


I guess I should have expected that from a vein, disillusioned, douche such as yourself,...especially here at TGR.

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An "Investment" is not ... unless you are prepared to flog it for mo $ than you paid at the drop of a hat

and speaking to liquidity a Rolex doesn't sound like it, neither does a porshe or a ferrari or the cigerette boat or ski lodge you bought 10 years ago, its really just stuff you wanted that you are trying to rationalize to yourself

all the guys I have ever seen with a lot of money up here were usually covered in sawdust, driving dirty pickups and their cologne would be "eau de diesel"

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Here, let me type slow and see if that works. An investment is something that sells for more than you paid for it. If you buy it at a good price, then you can make money on it. Ever see all the nice used watches in a good jeweler or a pawn shop? Think they're going to lose on them? (Hopefully I typed slow enough but I'll give you the answer anyway, and it's "no".) Sooooooo, if bought at a good price, at least you (shouldn't) lose on them (btw, same with cars, ski lodges etc - not so much on boats). There's an old maxim - buy low, sell high - try to remember that one.

Hopefully that part's out of the way :rolleyes2

I guess it depends on where you live, but the locals with serious cash where I used to live and where I am now didn't know sawdust, pick-ups or diesels - those are often the people who come to take care of things for them. Nothing against people who do the "real" work on a daily basis as I did that for years, but in non-northern BC the real money is typically made behind a desk of some kind (cue the I know someone......nitwits).

Only one way to wear a watch.

I mean, really *WEAR* a watch.

http://rollingout.com/wp-content/upl...flav-clock.jpg

Calling someone out for being smug and then smugly thanking them after saying some dumb shit about their "healthy" portfolio is priceless.

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Here, let me type slow and see if that works. An investment is something that sells for more than you paid for it. If you buy it at a good price, then you can make money on it. Ever see all the nice used watches in a good jeweler or a pawn shop? Think they're going to lose on them? (Hopefully I typed slow enough but I'll give you the answer anyway, and it's "no".) Sooooooo, if bought at a good price, at least you (shouldn't) lose on them (btw, same with cars, ski lodges etc - not so much on boats). There's an old maxim - buy low, sell high - try to remember that one.

Hopefully that part's out of the way :rolleyes2

I guess it depends on where you live, but the locals with serious cash where I used to live and where I am now didn't know sawdust, pick-ups or diesels - those are often the people who come to take care of things for them. Nothing against people who do the "real" work on a daily basis as I did that for years, but in non-northern BC the real money is typically made behind a desk of some kind (cue the I know someone......nitwits).

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Jesus, you really are a douche. Take watches more seriously. Or cars. Or houses. Or, or...

Loser.

Well played, and about fucking time! TGR is slipping...

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Only one way to wear a watch.

I mean, really *WEAR* a watch.

http://rollingout.com/wp-content/upl...flav-clock.jpg

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could you you have made mo money buying a 45$ timex iron man and investing the difference in a better paying investment vehical ?

The guy covered in sawdust doesn't need some one to fix his stuff, but how many people who pay to have people come & take care of things & stuff for them actualy own that stuff OR are they just covering interest payments cuz some things ain't doing so good nowdays so while the decks aren't completely awash some nights the sleep doesn't happen and the trophy wife is looking elsewhere,

at a younger guy with more hair, less gut and a nicer rolex?

too much stuff can weight you down eh?

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

its really just stuff you wanted that you are trying to rationalize to yourself

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I agree. If you love expensive watches and have the money, buy one, but don't act like it has a ton of utility. There is nothing a multi-thousand dollar watch can do that a watch under $100 can't.

I do think fewer and fewer people are wearing watches these days and maybe this will only increase their cachet. I've never really looked into the matter, so can't really comment on watches as an investment.

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Originally Posted by MotherFucker

Calling someone out for being smug and then smugly thanking them after saying some dumb shit about their "healthy" portfolio is priceless.





Jesus, you really are a douche. Take watches more seriously. Or cars. Or houses. Or, or...

Loser.

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Was there an intelligent or coherent thought in there? Didn't think so. Put the bong down, and try to focus on something, anything. Maybe you could be a star on Alpinezone.

Maybe you didn't realize (yeah, just maybe) that they were response to different posts. Well, being a loser apparently seems to be better than being you. Probably took you a long time to come up with that screen name, right?


Anyway, ignoring the retards, if you can get a good deal on a used Rolex (box and papers not mandatory), then it can be a reasonable investment to get a few bucks back some day. Many others that also fit the catagory depending on (reasonable) acquisition price are Breitling, (maybe) Omega, Cartier etc, but for a quick cash sale, usually Rolex comes out on top.

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Originally Posted by The AD

I agree. If you love expensive watches and have the money, buy one, but don't act like it has a ton of utility.

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Precisely.

Its the disillusionment and false rationale that's dangerous.

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Originally Posted by bite me

Was there an intelligent or coherent thought in there? Didn't think so. Put the bong down, and try to focus on something, anything. Maybe you could be a star on Alpinezone.

Maybe you didn't realize (yeah, just maybe) that they were response to different posts. Well, being a loser apparently seems to be better than being you. Probably took you a long time to come up with that screen name, right?


Anyway, ignoring the retards, if you can get a good deal on a used Rolex (box and papers not mandatory), then it can be a reasonable investment to get a few bucks back some day. Many others that also fit the catagory depending on (reasonable) acquisition price are Breitling, (maybe) Omega, Cartier etc, but for a quick cash sale, usually Rolex comes out on top.

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Another priceless response from some dickhead who thinks he knows everything. Classic.

Nobody even remotely interested in investing is thinking about the used watch market but keep repeating the same thing and hope it becomes fact.

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Originally Posted by bite me

it can be a reasonable investment to get a few bucks back some day..

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are you in life insurance cuz thats what buddy told me when he was trying to sell me the Whole Life eh?

edit:I realize I know nothing which is a good thing to know and I have made it work for me

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Originally Posted by bite me

Anyway, ignoring the retards, if you can get a good deal on a used Rolex (box and papers not mandatory), then it can be a reasonable investment to get a few bucks back some day. Many others that also fit the catagory depending on (reasonable) acquisition price are Breitling, (maybe) Omega, Cartier etc, but for a quick cash sale, usually Rolex comes out on top.

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Wait. I thought it was about DIVING, kayaking, and the chairlift...


Prices of used Rolex:
http://www.bobswatches.com/used-rolex-prices

Prices of new Rolex:
http://www.alanfurman.com/noframes/rolex1.html#ro_pres


Seems like a winner. :rolleyes2