Funny, the latest one still isn't "finished".Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
And I certainly wouldn't call it a "win".
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Funny, the latest one still isn't "finished".Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
And I certainly wouldn't call it a "win".
I find it really funny that invasion is pretty much the only military option in you people's minds...
I'm not sure negotiation would have amounted to dick either. What do you think they're going to negotiate - to lay down their arms and have elections and freedom? And have Kim and all of his cohort thugs suddenly out of a job? Hah!
no, this is a problem that I'm pretty sure won't go away no matter what...until Jong Il dies anyway, I'm not sure if he has heirs or not...
this is a fine 50-year-old, and now more complicated, mess we've got here.
Wonder if we'll be pulling out of Korea per Rummy's plans now?
Yup, that and the threat to Asian economy and manufacturing in thhe region.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva
What we're really doing is manufacturing a coup, arming assassains, starving thhe people into rebellion, and offering back-handed bribes. I'd bbe surprised if we weren't launching some bio-terror and fabricating reasons for China to betray DPRK. Covert shit.
After what we did to Iraq, how are we EVER going to convince any "axis of evil" country to give up its WMD? I mean Iraq had NO WMD, and did that matter? Nope, we still invaded it and deposed Saddam.
If you were in the shoes of Iran and North Korea, would YOU give up your WMD? Let's see...if I give them up, I'll still get invaded, a la Iraq. If I develop a nuclear weapon, who is going to "pre-empt" me now?
The cat is out of the bag. By showing the world that we would pre-emptively attack anyone we please, we encouraged the other "axis of evil" countries to continue their nuclear weapon programs to fruition for the sake of self-defense.
you had a geography teacher?Quote:
Originally Posted by assgasorgrass
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._uc/po20050210
silly facist!
Iraq never offered to give up anything- because they had nothing. North Korea cannot claim to have nothing now. Only if NK had not admitted to having nukes and if Iraq did offer to give something up would your analogy work. Nice idea though. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SLCFreshies
EDIT: actually that's no analogy- my b
Just posted on CNN:
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Friday, February 11, 2005 Posted: 11:08 AM EST (1608 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. has reaffirmed its opposition to two-way talks with North Korea in response to the communist state's recent announcement that it will abandon six-party negotiations on its nuclear weapons program and bolster its arsenal.
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Friday if Pyongyang wants to talk directly to the U.S. envoy, it must happen on the sidelines of six-party talks, which have been on hold since North Korea withdrew last year.
The Bush administration has consistently opposed bilateral talks with North Korea in favor of multilateral negotiations. North Korea has insisted on a bilateral nonaggression pact with the United States before it will consider dismantling its nuclear program.
As a result of direct talks, North Korea and the United States signed an agreement in 1994 in which Pyongyang pledged to freeze and eventually dismantle its nuclear weapons program in exchange for international aid to build two power-producing nuclear reactors.
North Korea eventually broke that agreement and the White House says if there is a new agreement it must be signed by North Korea's neighbors, as well as the United States.
North Korea's envoy to the United Nations, Han Sung Ryol, told a South Korean newspaper that Pyongyang will consider multilateral negotiations only after bilateral talks with the United States.
"We will return to the six-nation talks when we see a reason to do so and the conditions are ripe," Han told Seoul's Hankyoreh newspaper, in an interview published Friday.
Han, a senior diplomat at North Korea's U.N. delegation in New York, was the first North Korean official to speak to outside news media since Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry declared Thursday that the country has nuclear weapons as a deterrent against a U.S. invasion and does not intend to rejoin six-nation disarmament talks any time soon.
International leaders quickly condemned the announcement and urged Pyongyang to return to multilateral negotiations.
In the six-party talks since 2003, the United States, the two Koreas, China, Japan and Russia have held three rounds of talks aimed at persuading North Korea to abandon its nuclear weapons development in return for economic and diplomatic rewards. But no significant progress was reported in those talks, all hosted by China, North Korea's last remaining major ally.
A fourth round of talks scheduled for last September did not take place because North Korea refused to attend, citing what it called a "hostile" U.S. policy.
"We have wanted the six-party talks but we are compelled to suspend our participation in the talks for an indefinite period 'til we have recognized that there is justification for us to attend the talks and there are ample conditions and atmosphere to expect positive results from the talks," the North Korean Foreign Ministry said.
"The U.S. disclosed its attempt to topple the political system in the DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) at any cost, threatening it with a nuclear stick. This compels us to take a measure to bolster its nuclear weapons arsenal in order to protect the ideology, system, freedom and democracy chosen by the people in the DPRK."
In his inaugural address on January 20, U.S. President George W. Bush did not mention North Korea by name, and he only briefly mentioned the country in his February 2 State of the Union address, saying Washington was "working closely with governments in Asia to convince North Korea to abandon its nuclear ambitions."
Bush's tone was in stark contrast to his State of the Union address three years before, when he branded North Korea part of an "axis of evil" with Iran and Iraq.
The new, more restrained approach raised hopes for a positive response from North Korea. Bush and South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun agreed to push for an early resumption of the six-nation talks.
But in a statement Thursday, the North Korean Foreign Ministry, according to KCNA, said, "We have shown utmost magnanimity and patience for the past four years since the first Bush administration swore in."
And Pyongyang lashed out at Bush's Jan. 20 inaugural speech, in which he emphasized the effort to spread freedom, which Bush called an "untamed fire" that "will reach the darkest corners of our world."
Pyongyang called it a diabolical U.S. scheme to turn the world into "a sea of war flames."
CNN Senior White House Correspondent John King contributed to this report
What would Joseph Heller call this?Quote:
Originally Posted by nealric
the whole world is going to hell and frankly im afraid for the future generations of mankind assuming that there will be future generations
so i just say fuck it smoke a bowl and go out and make some turns because no matter how much we dont like whats going on there really isnt so much that we can do to stop it
so we should just try to have fun while there is still fun to have
As much as I disagree with a lot of what the US govt has done recently, engaging in discussions with N. Korea and not including China, Japan, and Russia would be a huge mistake. Most of the world already thinks we're a big bully, no need to give them more examples.
U.N. 'Pre-bukes' U.S. Over North Korean Nukes
(2005-02-10) -- The United Nations Security Council, in the wake of North Korea's admission that it has nuclear weapons, has passed a resolution "pre-buking" the Bush administration for whatever action it might take against the communist dictatorship.
"When we learned of nuclear weapons in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), we immediately feared a U.S. response," said Secretary-General Kofi Annan. "By pre-buking the U.S., the Security Council demonstrates solidarity with the future victims of the American military occupation."
Meanwhile, Democrats in Congress have introduced a resolution condemning President George Bush in advance for "misleading us into conflict with North Korea simply because it's a nuclear-equipped Stalinist regime which has threatened to turn America into a lake of fire."
Source please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ripzalot
Please let me know who is trying to instill fear in me this time.
And a few details would not hurt either. I see quotes, but no one's name attached to them.
Hell, it could have been me that said all of this.
North Korea. What a joke. A true American threat, I think not.
But, let's make sure we hate the UN, because they are the fault of all the US' international problems.
scrappleface or the onion?
is pre-buke short for pre-emptive bukkake?
Jeezus H. Christ...I've heard the Swiss are humorless, but I didn't know they were stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeleAl
ITS SATIRE, BIATCH!!!!!! :fmicon: :fmicon:
Baahahahaha... Good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
Don't give up so easy. It's not significantly worse today than it has been in the past thousands of years. Keep things in perspective and then enjoy a bowl and go ski. Man vs Man issues have been around forever unfortunately. And hopefully technology and other things will help solve or reduce the modern day environmental problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by thephatkid
Bush Calls N. Korea Nuke Revelation 'Time Saver'
(2003-04-25) -- U.S. President George Bush said North Korea's announcement that it had nuclear weapons and might test them was "a real time saver."
"I want to thank Kim Jong Il," said Mr. Bush. "We could have spent months, even years, going through the U.N. Security Council just trying to find out if they had nuculer weapons. Now, we can move directly to step two, which is 'Drop your weapons and come out with your hands up.'"
The President said the Pentagon has already assembled a location list of giant statues of Mr. Kim and he's willing to invest up to $100 billion to knock them down.
Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-MO, and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, said they'll introduce legislation to topple the statues for half of that sum, and use the savings to create a government run universal health care system.
p.s. bwaaahahahaha!
Rip,
the first was funny, but the second is just downright mean. ease up on your fellow countrymen.
it's ok. he's a good sport. he's just new to this internet thang. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
btw, don't confuse us with being swiss. i am definitely american. yeeeehaw!
I just don't get the Dave Barry type of humor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ripzalot
This is not the first time, I've missed it before too.
I simply do not find it funny. Never did.
I know Ripz, and I know he is a right wing neo-con distributing all types of conservative war mongering propaganda
in the name of safety for the world, even if it means a war or two or three...
Ripz knows that I am a left wing pinko commie who believes in an economic system
where capitalism and socialism thrive side by side.
And, where the military stays the fuck home. Welcome to Suisse.
BTW, I am not Swiss. I'm an ex-Pat American that does not pay for all the
military bullshit that the US seems to think is so important.
My tax francs subsidize my season ski pass,
and the Swiss military makes great roads for me bicycle on in the summer.
Why buy the cow? milk don't cost nuthin' :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by TeleAl
[QUOTE=TeleAl]I know Ripz, and I know he is a right wing neo-con distributing all types of conservative war mongering propaganda
in the name of safety for the world, even if it means a war or two or three...
QUOTE]
gosh, do ya really think so? :cool:
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I will not ski with you if you ever bring that board along. :the_fingeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ripzalot