SUP - rollerblading for the new generation?
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SUP - rollerblading for the new generation?
Discuss.
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My kiddo really wants a SUP. But I can't see spending a ton on one.
Thinking cheapo inflatable is the way to go, like sub $500. Any recommendations in that price range?
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saw this one any reason not to buy? lakes and some ocean use https://anchorage.craigslist.org/spo...195633694.html
I have a canoe, a 17 ft sea kayak, couple of ww kayaks and the supQuote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
the SUP makes a small lake a little larger
The SUP is < 30 lbs so I can grab it out of the truck with one hand paddle in the other do a 1.5 hr or less paddle around the small local lake alot easier than I can muscle a 17' kayak which is at the limit of what I can handle solo
and did I mention women love them?
I noticed GF's hard board had a few dings this spring so mix up a litttle 24hr epoxy dab a little on the boo boo, stretch a piece of saran wrap over the spot to flat out the epoxy, tape it down and let cure ... looks fine and no need to sand
Wouldn't be the best ocean surf or river board or gear hauler being its 11'x30"x4.72" with lots of taper (basically not as stable or floaty as the all around boards like a 11'x35"x6") but I bet it is super light weight and high speed low drag for touring. Seems like a great price.Quote:
Originally Posted by BFD
Another use for a SUP is a floating fire pit. Throw a pile of sand on one for fire ring. The one we used was elevated and never was a threat, but the sand provided peace of mind. It's pretty sweet floating around on the water with a fire in the evening.
Tahoe rubicon 12'6 is a great do it all board. Solid in open ocean chop, displaced hull, and 32" Wide for stability, very durable.
Used ones can be had in the sub $500 range. I've had one for 5 years, beat the shit out of it and plenty of days paddling in open ocean swell.
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I have an Isle Explorer 11'and like it a lot. Paddle that came with it isn't great though. GF has a Tower Adventurer 10'4. Came with a carbon paddle and way better than my AL one. Both plenty stable for moderate river running small rapids. No ocean nearby so not sure how they would fair in waves.
A lot of the guide companies sell their boards at the end of the season. Maybe not dirt cheap, but definitely cuts the sting. But then again, the season is over and they have some wear but not always horrible if they are just touron river floats.
Hala has great customer service from what I have heard and experienced.
thanks I am going to pass through Anchorage and this looked like an easy buy. I think I will do some research might be a good idea for first board to be stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
ive got a good hundred days on a boardworks badfish with the majority being flat water sight fishin the carps
and the rest rivers
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...psrhvlbxto.jpg
good solid board i dig the 3 chambers as it keeps your stuffs drier
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...pssmrmu56h.jpg
if your fishin solo sups way easier to launch ,displaces less water, easier to manuver and why wouldnt cha wanna stand up and fish like a man
the sup chicas are way better to share the water with than throttle junkies waver runners and jetskiers
or those obnoxious asshats with loud as fuck 2 strokes propellers flying parafucktards skimming the water
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...ps602gyv9x.jpg
as fer rollerblades
shitty fishing platform
aint gonna get it as a sleeping pad
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...ps6es4e9da.jpg
and useless dead weight on a ladore or any river float
where as the sups blast
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...psimvlddp1.jpg
Depends on your balance, some people think 31/32 are wide. Race boards are 25-26. I like my 35" board.Quote:
Originally Posted by BFD
If you are going to be on freezing ass cold water, and are just getting into SUP, I'd recommend wider and thicker. Also, don't be too macho to wear a leash, especially on flat water. Wind can really fuck you over on mountain lakes.
Anybody familiar with the C4 Waterman 12'6" Switchblade? Have a line on one for $400 w/o paddle. Will be 60%+ Class I river (Teton), 30% lake 10% other rivers. Beginner on an sup but a former hack ww kayaker...
Width is your friend
Length is irrelevant unless you distance ride.
I have a 10 footer that is way more stable than 11 and 12 footers
28” is narrow. That is an older board. They have gotten fatter, just like skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tye 1on
Know nothing about river Sup, but I assume width is key to balance there.
The only thing narrow these days are race or long distance boards.
Great info, thanks.
I googled that board. From what I saw it has one 10" fin. Might be too long for river paddling. Multiple short fins > one long fin. I would also prefer inflatable for rivers, they can take a hit better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tye 1on
Look for a used Hala or Badfish.
Just to clarify, 28” works fine if you have cat balance or are lightweight.
For a normal person 30” is not too wide.
It also depends on the rail thickness and bottom design.
I have an old fanatic allwave 9’10” that’s as stable than my 12 footer. And I use it for lake cruising more often since it’s easier to move and store it. 33” wide.
http://www.fanatic.com/product/2012-...ctDetailsTabs1
Point being fat and short can be stable, is easier to store and transport, and works fine for most uses. I have paddled miles, and yes a touring rocker and length would have more glide, but it’s a pia. Had a Naish distance board. Super fast, but long and tippy. Sold it.
SUP is a great workout, and slightly more strokes is not the end of the world.
FYI, anyone that gets into Sup should watch videos of the stroke. It’s a core crunch, stacking large muscles. If you look like a Venice gondolier, you are doing it wrong.
Dave Kalama has great tips.
There is a Hawaiian and Tahitian stroke.
Reach is key. The stroke ends at your feet. There is no power behind you, only in front
http://www.davidkalama.com/paddle-te...s-the-catch-2/
So I've read this thread but that's about all I know. Seriously in the market for something; probably even-split between Ocean/surfing (smaller waves <3ft) and some flat river paddling. Gonna be hauling it in the car a good bit. New to this but appreciate a good workout. So I don't want to spend a ton / entry level. I'm thinking to just search ebay etc. for something used, inflatable, 10-12ish long minimum 32 inch wide? additional recco's? I'm 6-2 175; might have a golden retriever with me on it from time to time.
I can and only will recommend Hala at this point. So not the cheapest, but quality and support have been great.
Take a look around website, but this one may be what you are looking for in their line:
https://halagear.com/collections/boa...ts/rival-playa
most damage happens when you drop it in transit
in which case an inflatable can take the hits
I went with a redpaddle board, at 160lb I had a 9'8" but i fell off it alot cuz more tippy/less floatation
ended up with the 10'6' which was way more stable IME
Bump. My wife wants one. Nothing fancy. Pretty sure inflatable would work best. What should I get her? Anyone selling?
RED......
this red paddle product looks very wife proof,
they used to just toss it off a building & run over it with a tractor but the torture test is now a little more involved
https://redpaddleco.com/en-ca/paddle...e-tough-stuff/
I got the 10'6" I deflate it, roll it up and store in the front room of the mancave during the winter
Sorry haven’t read entire thread but here is my purchase/research experience from last year
Red is the Cadillac of the inflatables ( top of the line accessories, build in stringers to improve board stiffness, higher psi rating etc)
Inflatables are likely the better way to go unless you are ok lifting and transporting heavier solid boards, which obviously are better if you are going to be competing, doing 5 k + paddles each outing or heading out into the ocean or larger bodies of water where hull design plays a significant role in performance, which can’t really be replicated in an inflatable.
Now wrt inflatables, I bought a middle of the line one, loved it so much we ended getting a second cheap amazon one (both were less than a 1/3 of the cost of a R.E.D. Board) and both are excellent, in fact, the cheaper one is lighter and does not seam any less durable.
The cheap boards do come with cheap al and plastic paddles,so that would be a worthy additional investment, ( I bent the al paddle on my first outing, and then dumped $250 on a carbon paddle which was more than half the cost of the board and a worthwhile investment)
Cheap boards them self’s are generally good and of similar quality from the sample group I’ve seen , it’s the pump, paddle and backpack where you see largest variation of cost cutting.
On thing to note, this is not a good year to be buying one new as I’m pretty sure they are all made in China and Production due to corona has been affected, Amazon does not have inventory in half of the boards I looked at last year.
I've had a few Hala's for a few years and they have been great. I think a little cheaper than RED, good quality, good design. They come with a nice roller storage bag too.
X2 on getting a good paddle. I've got a 3 section carbon paddle that fits in the bag. Had an older rental one and it sucked.
IMO a hard board also needs a bag to protect it during storage & travel
I think the construction of the red may be able to handle higher pressures which make them stiffer, at least thats the spiel dealer made, I know not all models of red have the stiffner batons, my 9'8" did but my 10'6" doesnt not, IME the 10' 6" is way more stable due to extra length & thicknessQuote:
Originally Posted by M_R
red have the nice wheeled luggage and the 2 stage pump, i havent taken mine anywhere but one could fly with it, the local dealer takes his to mexico
i think they are made in england which is why they are mo expensive ?
If it’s just for recreation I would just pick up a well reviewed board on amazon. I bought one for my wife on there and it is fine for tooling around in lakes and mellow rivers. It probably comes out of the same chinese factory as the “name” brands. Drop stitch tech is so good these days that stiffness should not be a problem.
A nicer paddle would be worthwhile as would an electric pump unless you can store and transport inflated. Pumping up every time will discourage quick uses.
We bought High Society ones because they had (and still have) a BOGO deal so they were cheap. Got the ZG because it was cheapest and from the descriptions can't tell the difference between it and the more expensive models. They work absolutely fine for casual use, I have no complaints, although definitely buy an electric pump so that you can drink beer while they inflate.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
Electric pump X10, with its weight in gold.
One year I left it under a snow bank all winter at -20 and it didnt lose air but usually it gets blown up once in spring and stays up all season till its too cold to paddle without a drysuit
I bought the red 5 years ago somewhat on impulse to chase a woman so I probably paid too much, I imagine all the brands have since got pretty good,
Red did give me a new board on warranty so that was pretty handy to have the dealer service
Isle makes a super awesome inflatable. I’ve had an Explorer for 4 years now. Taken it to Mexico, Seattle and all around Utah and Idaho. It’s been beaten up in use and transportation. And you could never tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
The customer service is beyond any expectation. Lost a fin, called em to order a new one and they were out of stock for a good while. They sent me to a competitor that used the same fin and I got one from them.
https://www.islesurfandsup.com
A couple years ago, I was a huge SUP skeptic when the GF bought one. Now I'm a big fan. We can fit two inflatables in their wheelie storage bags the roof box for trips but mostly we just leave them inflated in the garage. They are so light that it takes the two of us less than 5 min to get them on the car roof and tied down. We go for dawn patrol paddles on glass smooth lakes (mostly Jenny) and also down the Snake for a little more excitement. You can carry tons of stuff if you want to go camping (skis work, too - try that on a kayak!) and it's a good low-impact, full body workout once you learn the technique. We've gone camping on them in fjords in Norway and take them pretty much everywhere. I also like the fact that it's a platform. If you get hot just jump off and climb back on. Stand, sit, kneel, lounge, nap, whatever. It's so damn easy.
But I digress... back to models. GF bought a fancy Starboard (32" Blend, I think) for more than $1k which I thought was crazy. It is nice, though, and very comparable in quality to the Reds that we used in Norway. So I thought all SUPs must be the same. Wrong! I bought a board (Thurso Surf) which was half the cost with similar dimensions and included a paddle. First, it weighs way more than the Starboard. Not sure about actual poundage but it's more than a little. It's also less rigid and, despite similar dimensions, far slower on flat water. Not sure why but I'm working my ass off to kept up with the Starboard which is just cruising along. Bottom line: the good SUPs really are much better and definitely more fun. If you don't plan on using it that often, maybe you don't need a nicer board but don't make the mistake of trying a Red or Starboard if you bought something cheaper. You may end up second guessing your choice like I did. After 4 years of frequent use, the Starboard looks brand new while the Thurso is already starting to look a bit scuffed up after 1 year.
YMMV
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Wife and kiddo want these, for lakes. Don't want to spend a ton of money. Saw that Costco had some for $400, but Amazon has some that are close to $200, like this one: https://www.amazon.com/XYLOVE-CO-Inf...HCJ3JYZ5T&th=1
I'm a SUP jong, it's my wife and kid that really want to do this (and they're jongs too). So I don't know the ins and outs and what have yous.
I bought a couple of the sub $400 inflatables off of Amazon a few years ago. Vilano was the brand. They have held up well after a couple years of use. Only used in lakes. Inflatable is nice for traveling, it rolls up and fits in a big backpack that came with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
I really think most the sub $400 ones are basically the same materials with different graphics on them.
I suggest getting a battery/ electric pump if you will be inflating/deflating between uses.
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Originally Posted by HD333
And the cheaper ones will be fine to learn on. Less stringers, less stiff, etc but beginners won't know enough to care.
Make sure they wear leashes, especially on the lake. Wind can throw you off and I've seen paddle boards fly a really long way, leaving the paddler there to swim to shore. This is how people drown from paddle boarding on CO lakes every year.
I bought some ebay ones for similarly small money this summer and used them plenty. Kids and adults enjoyed them. Biggest takeaways are that a bigger board is better for comfort / stability and that pumping them up with the supplied pumps is not ideal. I have a compressor in the garage and ended up just pumping them up at home and tossing them on the roof to drive to chatfield but I also picked up a Walmart 12v inflator for times when we were going father afield and didn't want them on the roof for the drive.
the hard boards are faster but get damaged when you drop em but the blow up boards are bullet proof and it doesnt hurt when you fall on themhttps://redpaddleco.com/en-gb/paddle...e-tough-stuff/
https://redpaddleco.com/en-gb/paddle...e-tough-stuff/