Praxis MVP

Thought I would update my orininal review. I have about 12 days on my MVP'S now. The bumps at squaw are really getting great. I have a fun lap I do which consists if Mosleys run/chute75 then squaw one to broken arrow to zip Tower 16 then over to head wall to head wall face or sunbowl then start the lap all over again. Amazing conditions this week. I would actually say epic.

Anyways I got 1080 Moguls at 180 to ski bumps as they're getting big and awesome now and I must say that the 1080 moguls suck compared to my 183 MVP'S for moguls. For anything else 1080's are totally useless.

I am now convinced that wide skis are the funnest to ski but also the easiest and least taxing on the legs. The 1080 moguls completely wore me out then today on my MVPs I skied better for longer and was still somewhat fresh afterwards.

I can do anything on my MVPs and I hope they never break.

Cheers and can't wait for more laps tomorrow!

does keith make a narrower protest, is that the wootest? big skis are hurting my ankles and knees everydayl been skiing spatulas kuros and concepts for the past 3 years basically every day. I had a pair of proto concepts, didn[t like em too much, couldn't throw em sideways, but i never detuned em\

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Originally Posted by markcjr

does keith make a narrower protest, is that the wootest? big skis are hurting my ankles and knees everydayl been skiing spatulas kuros and concepts for the past 3 years basically every day. I had a pair of proto concepts, didn[t like em too much, couldn't throw em sideways, but i never detuned em\

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Yup, wootest is exactly a narrower protest.

I may wait for the 193 but I was wondering who much difference 6 cm (2.4 inches) will have upon the feel and performance compared to the 187. Micro-managing?

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Originally Posted by markcjr

does keith make a narrower protest, is that the wootest? big skis are hurting my ankles and knees everydayl been skiing spatulas kuros and concepts for the past 3 years basically every day. I had a pair of proto concepts, didn[t like em too much, couldn't throw em sideways, but i never detuned em\

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Dear god son, where have you been?

That's EXACTLY what the wootest is. And we all wanted it from our aching ankles too!

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Originally Posted by Jim S

I may wait for the 193 but I was wondering who much difference 6 cm (2.4 inches) will have upon the feel and performance compared to the 187. Micro-managing?

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I was in the same boat but I just ordered the 187's. My ski area is more about small windows and not at all wide open so 187 it is.

Any more recommendations on where to mount them would be appreciated.

Last I checked in with him on the MVP, Keith seems to think it should be mounted on the mark. Can't argue based on my few days skiing them (admittedly short ones...).

After reading the Blister Gear Review, I think that I want a pair of 183s to replace a 2012 Sir Francis Bacon. Just can't decide if I should get the medium or medium stiff flex and carbon or no carbon?

5'8" 155#

I'll sell you mine with carbon. Skied on them 5 times.... all yours for $300.

Viva - that's a smoking deal. Also, while I don't think the bacon is a bad ski, I think the MVP is better at literally everything than the bacon.

Med-stiff...unless you're never going to be on hard snow. But it's designed for ripping and charging regardless of snow conditions. Also, for me (6'0" 165). The med-stiff flex on the praxis is just so money. This perfect sweet spot between rage and play that does both extremely well...

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Originally Posted by SupreChicken

for me (6'0" 165).

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Paypal'ing you $20. Get something to eat.

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Medium medium stiff for me for Praxis.
My 194 Freerides medium stiff are pretty burly.

Oh...re: carbon vs not. If you want a 1/2 lb lighter pair of skis that won't soften over time, go carbon. I have owned 3 pairs of praxi...I sold my woo tests because I didn't like them. My Mtn jibs and concepts will never be sold. I suspect you will feel similarly about the MVP...so I would go carbon. Flex longevity and weight savings are the benefits. Ski should handle 200 days of abuse, no problem. YouTube Kevin o'meara and watch the way he skis. MVP is his pro model for comp skiing.

I am interested as to why you believe a longevity difference exists? Ps. Wind turbine blades are made from glass fiber and have a 20+ year life span running 12+ hours a day.

I've got some 187 mid-stiff, carbon, all black top-sheets that I'd let go for 350.

Since I got the 192 GPO and I've been having a blast on the 187 Concept, and have many skis over 190cm, curiosity is killing this cat so the last pair of 187 MVPs I pick up tomorrow and are getting mounted at -2.0 .

187 MVP no carbon, medium stiff mounted on the dot with 916 Steels.
me - 29, 135lbs, ski lots
skis I like and own - 192 Salomon Rocker, 189 Bluehouse Maestro, 186 Rossi Sickle, 184 Blizzard Answers

I ended up trading these for the sickles. Although I have nothing but the best to say about the quality of these skis, I found the medium-stiff flex to stiff for me, pretty much only in the tail. I needed to ski at max power and speed all the time to keep them in control. Sometimes after working all night and skiing all day I would get too tired to do that and then Kicking Horse would get really scary fast. Perhaps if I was heavier, got the medium flex, or had a normal sleep pattern, I would have liked these more. They were realllly great at getting me down stuff at high rates of speed though just couldn't slow them down in the tight scary spots.

I just got some 183 carbons, medium stiff.
Thinking of mounting back a bit? Any feedback.
I'm a bit scared of all the 'too stiff' stories, but I'm hoping the 183's
will be a bit more manageable...
Thinking of mounting them up with dynafits for a BC
charger ski...

Per Keith: "The MVP is a more forward mount, its designed to be a more center mounted twin but you should be fine going back a few cm if it feels like a better stance to you."

I ski 183s and mounted on the dimple. Its all good now but definitely took getting used to. I'd personally like to try another mount -2 just for comparison.

Sfotex - right now, my touring setup is a thrice drilled 188 mtn jib. Already inserted for dynafit and solly, so those will likely become rock skis soon. I LOVE the way they tour and the versatility offered in that ski and the 193 carbon MVP is likely under 9 lbs...I didn't pull the trigger on those (because I wanted the GPO more, and couldn't justify all that overlap), but now I'm wish I had. I also think the longer length might bring a bit more traditional feel to a more center mounted ride.

But yes to touring on MVPs...Floaty, stable and maneuverable. Sort of deciding between 193 MVP and 120 Spoons for next season's tours...

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First day on glue and slush at Alpine Meadows and I'm glad I went back -2. Probably -3 or even -4 would be fine for me. Cool ski.

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Originally Posted by Jim S

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First day on glue and slush at Alpine Meadows and I'm glad I went back -2. -3 or even -4 would be fine for me. Cool ski.

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Any other details? I should have a pair arriving soon.

My old landlord is sellin a set of MVPs here in SLC if anyone is interested...

Has anone skied MVP's (or Mountain Jibs) and Blizzard Cochises? I have the 185 Cochises and 187 MVP's that i haven't had the chance to ski yet. I think I'll bring one of the two to Italy (Where I have family, and ski most years) and leave them there since the cost of flying with skis is now so absurd. I probably won't have a chance to ski the MVP's before I go.

I'm leaning toward the MVP's since I'll be touring as well as riding lifts, and they're lighter. But I'm concerned about the MVP's groomer performance. I'll spend a fair amount of time skiing groomers with my mother and I want a ski that can lock in and make giant slalom and super-G type turns when called upon. The Cochise are great at this. Are the MVP's up to the task?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!

Has anone skied MVP's (or Mountain Jibs) and Blizzard Cochises? I have the 185 Cochises and 187 MVP's that i haven't had the chance to ski yet. I think I'll bring one of the two to Italy (Where I have family, and ski most years) and leave them there since the cost of flying with skis is now so absurd. I probably won't have a chance to ski the MVP's before I go.

I'm leaning toward the MVP's since I'll be touring as well as riding lifts, and they're lighter. But I'm concerned about the MVP's groomer performance. I'll spend a fair amount of time skiing groomers with my mother and I want a ski that can lock in and make giant slalom and super-G type turns when called upon. The Cochise are great at this. Are the MVP's up to the task?

Thanks

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They are so easy to lay over and rip gs turns on. The low rocker begs to be skied Ligety style, with as much angulation as possible, to engage the maximum amount of edge.

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Originally Posted by ego7man

They are so easy to lay over and rip gs turns on. The low rocker begs to be skied Ligety style, with as much angulation as possible, to engage the maximum amount of edge.

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Where did you mount them? I'm thinking -1 or -2.

Spring skiing: corn, slush, soft bumps, firm. No pow.

fun playful ski that requires less effort than most skis
very quick edge to edge
great in trees and bumps
solid edge hold (but railing GS turns goes to the Concept 187)
quicker turning than the Concept 187
Concept feels a little smoother in light crud

Bumping. Any more thoughts about the MVP after some more time on them?

Thinking about a 193 with a medium/medium-stiff (7-ish) flex.

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Originally Posted by skuff

Bumping. Any more thoughts about the MVP after some more time on them?

Thinking about a 193 with a medium/medium-stiff (7-ish) flex.

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No real life experience on this ski, but def looking for the feedback as well as I purchased the 193 MVP med/stiff in the pre-season sale and am so stoked for this ski... It is about time someone made a ski like this in a big boy size...!

For people picking up the 193 length, what's your height/weight? I'm 6'3" 168 and can't decide between 187 or 193. Would love any input. These are going to be skied at Squaw so I'll be able to open them up a bit.

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For people picking up the 193 length, what's your height/weight? I'm 6'3" 168 and can't decide between 187 or 193. Would love any input. These are going to be skied at Squaw so I'll be able to open them up a bit.

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6'4" and 205 lbs... Didn't even consder the 187 - as soon as Jim S stated a 193 was being built I knew it was a done deal... I have wanted a ski just like this one for a very long time, but typically they only come in a 185 as the biggest size... Since you are dealing with both tip and tail rocker I did not want to feel like I would be on ski blades... I think you could go with either size... At your weight though a notch below med/stiff might make more sense... Yous a skinny sum a biatch...!

Ya I could serve to bulk up a bit. I'll probably just bite the bullet and go long. Now that people know my specs and this being TGR don't think I could live with myself on the shorter option. Splitting the difference between med and med/stiff is a good call though.

Thanks for the reply.

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Originally Posted by cmeriptahoe

For people picking up the 193 length, what's your height/weight? I'm 6'3" 168 and can't decide between 187 or 193. Would love any input. These are going to be skied at Squaw so I'll be able to open them up a bit.

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6'4" and 205 lbs... Didn't even consder the 187 - as soon as Jim S stated a 193 was being built I knew it was a done deal... I have wanted a ski just like this one for a very long time, but typically they only come in a 185 as the biggest size... Since you are dealing with both tip and tail rocker I did not want to feel like I would be on ski blades... I think you could go with either size... At your weight though a notch below med/stiff might make more sense... Yous a skinny sum a biatch...!

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6'2" / 170 lbs. Keith felt the 193 with a 7 flex, between medium and medium/stiff, would fit the bill for myself. My goal is to find a resort ski that's a mix of the 190 '06 black Gotama and a 186 Legend Pro, throw in some tip and tail rocker with a waist around 110.

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Originally Posted by skuff

6'2" / 170 lbs. Keith felt the 193 with a 7 flex, between medium and medium/stiff, would fit the bill for myself. My goal is to find a resort ski that's a mix of the 190 '06 black Gotama and a 186 Legend Pro, throw in some tip and tail rocker with a waist around 110.

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I think that's exactly what I'm going to go with. Loved the black Gotamas. Thanks.

If it helps, I'm 6'0" 165, ski mostly trees and I wouldn't even consider the 187. Not even average skiing skills for this place and still...SO much rocker (50cm tip and 42cm tail)...187s will feel like snow blades...

Wanted to thank everybody for their input here.

Had a few beers to loosen me up and pulled the trigger on some 193's w/ carbon in a 7 flex.

I could not be more pumped to spend pretty much every day available this season on these skis.

Just picked up a lightly-used pair of 187 MVPs (12/13) with the carbon layup (med/stiff). I'm 6', 185# and it sounds like maybe I shoulda gone bigger. Amiwrong?

I'm thinking of mounting with SollyFit plates, and using these primarily for a backcountry setup.

Not wrong. But if it's primarily backcountry, you'll be glad of the 187 on any more technical ascents. That carbon is only 8.3 lbs for the pair or so...That'll be sweet.

I'm kind of wanting to sell my 184 piste jibs and get 193 fiberglass MVPs for a slush, bumps, park ski. I don't think I would mind the extra length...they seem so much more park/all mtn friendly than the GPO...

amIwrong?

Really...most purchase should be made with a couple beers on board.

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Originally Posted by cmeriptahoe

Wanted to thank everybody for their input here.

Had a few beers to loosen me up and pulled the trigger on some 193's w/ carbon in a 7 flex.

I could not be more pumped to spend pretty much every day available this season on these skis.

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Originally Posted by SupreChicken

Not wrong. But if it's primarily backcountry, you'll be glad of the 187 on any more technical ascents. That carbon is only 8.3 lbs for the pair or so...That'll be sweet.

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Nice - that's what I was thinking too. Thanks for the input!

I have been skiing my new Carbon layup 183's the last week and have 5 days on them. 4 typical EC groomer/ mm "powder" days and todays -5` 7" of needles snow. I mounted them at the mark and have done no nor do I think they need any detuning. Super fun easy to turn ski driven with Spirit 4's. I have a well used pair of 183 Mountain Jibs and the MVP skis similarly but much more precise. Mounted with Sollyfits and FFG14, have not had a chance to run the Plums yet. I will post a review after I get a chance to tour a bit.