I wonder what the performance is vs the Titan
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I wonder what the performance is vs the Titan
Yow, this is a small 27. If 27.5 is 300 or 304mm, what's the next size up? Does it size-up every 8mm or 10mm?
As for last, I'd be down with 98. Just hoping no bigger than 100.
Quadrants are really 102-104mm last. I can't wait to move on from that boot --- not because of performance but because of lack of fit. It's far too big.
As usual I am in-between sizes. The Titan Ultralight is either 312mm or 322mm --- close, but 315mm, like an alpine design, is money.
Thinking of grabbing a pair of Titan ULs though and just making them work, as probably better than current situation with the Quadrants (though if you've got wider or more voluminous feets, they are tha' shit).
Damn those look freaking sweet! Love that Hoji is working with Dynafit, finally someone who can charge and understands what modern skiers are looking for, is designing touring gear.
looking at the side shot - it looks as if the end of the toe is pretty even with the "duckbill" part of the boot so i can see where they made up the 1cm or so of outside BSL. Might make for a nice touring pivot to get it "tucked in" a little from current replaceable outsole designs like the factor.
by my supereyeball, the side shot on Lou's page has the tech fitting pivot point behind the end of the toe of the boot, while on the factor the pivot is forward a bit. maybe only 5mm or so, but that's how I see it. On my mega's, the pivot is basically flush with the end of the toe box.
The BSL matches up with the TLT5 pretty well and people were having to upsize the TLT5 frequently (I did). Having the boot a size off on the label lets one shave a few more grams off the stated weight for a given "size." ;)
i would not recommend upsizing the vulcan shell.
i will be posting my .02 on the fit here shortly.
Talk to Hoji. He had a pair on the other day. I'm sure he'd let you snap a couple shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Last is supposed to be 103 according to randosteve in the comments over on TetonAT.
http://www.tetonat.com/2012/01/18/de...g3/#more-24981
they might measure 103mm at the metatarsals, but they do not fit like a 103mm last alpine boot in any way.
i would just off the cuff say they fit much more like a tecnica agent 98mm last through the ankle, heel, cuff etc.
That sounds good for me.
Fit like the TLT5?
My Mobes hate my feet but ski nicely. Titans don't fit me. My TLT5Ps fit me nicely. I wonder if the gain over an intuitioned TLT5P is enough to warrant putting them in the boot quiver replacing the Mobes.
more like a tlt5, but different for sure.
i could really only ski the 27 tlt5 with the stock super thin liner (.6 shell fit), and could only ski the tlt5 in a 28 with an aftermarket liner (1.5+ shell fit)
i am 1.25 shell fit in the 27 vulcan.
but the vulcan has a similar super snug fit through the heel and inside instep.
Marshal, any thoughts of flex etc?
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Originally Posted by Summit
I hade the mobe, to me the skiing is even better on the vulcan, (more progressive forward flex).
To have ski more than 100 days on the TLT5P (quiet a few with intuition liners aldo i think it lacks uphill perfo. compare to stock) i d say the vulcan is very different. It has much more of a ski boot feel than the TLT5.
That's downhill mode i mean. (for the ski out feel)
The uphill is at a level no other boot this stiff ever approached.
Is the last the same as the TLT5? Titans were way too narrow for my 110 mm feet, never tried TLT5 (too soft), just looking for some way to see how the Vulcan would fit. I'm sure I'd need to do some punching but this boot definitely captures my imagination as the doitall AT boot to drive big skis.
Read top post on this page....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Duke of Hurl
Yeah, OK, guess I'll just have to wait tll next year.
Huge props to Fredrico for taking the time to give Alexis the low down on this gamechanger boot.
damn if that aint the kind of gear that'll make a skifishbum seek gainful employment and spend this season coveting a new boot
This. Especially now that some shops are starting to press prices on the current titan ul. Might be a nice late season scoop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
So, what is verdict from the lucky few who has actually seen the vulcans or even skied both boots?
I hope all this R&D on getting alpine skiers into AT gear eventually trickles over to those of us who just want a Megaride that skis awesomely and fits a foot wider than a blade of grass.Quote:
Originally Posted by gillesleskieur
Personally i prefer the Vulcans over the titans, I m only 60kg so maybe not a "reference" but i find it plenty stiff (to me stiffer than titans and with a more even flex pattern) and it walks tons better..
wow gilles you are light! i feel fat at 73 kg. They tell me that I will like the vulcan more than I liked the Titan UL and much much more than the TLT5 which I admit I did not like
The problems with a lot of boots is that they have to little forward lean.
Can you adjust, modify the boot so it will be more agressive?
18 degrees is to little...!
I have max forward lean on my dalbellos today.
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Originally Posted by LeeLau
Lee,
What didn't you like about the 5's? I can only assume its ski related since they walk and skin pretty damn nicely.
I definitely do not like the metatarsal flex when skiing and the added tongue overstiffens the boot to the point of almost deadening the ride.
A couple thoughts...
- Not sure about the forward lean lock/cuff buckle combo. That means no micro adjust on the upper cuff buckle, kind of a bummer.
- I've heard a couple people complain about the fiddle factor of the removable tongues with the TLT5. I wonder how hard they are to get in and out, particularly on a summit with crazy wind, or on a steep slope where you can't really get to a flat spot to switch into ski mode etc.
Overall, I'd rather have an overlap boot this light and stiff with this amount of touring range of motion than a tongue boot, but in all honesty, I will probably own these.
We have a very comprehensive video of this boot from SIA. Give us a few to get it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
I can say the tongue removal/installation isn't all that bad. It's not something you'd want to do if you are racing your buddy during "transitions" but then again we aren't doing triathlons anyway so it shouldn't be a big deal. They slide into place fairly quickly. (and for shorter ascents don't need to come out IMO)
The boot kicks ass. More coming.
While I agree...good luck with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
I suspect the Vulcan is a significant step in the right direction, though I'm curious to see how stiff the flex actually is.
Not really that informative for tech geeks and a LOT of background noise, but anyway - this is Hoji talking about the Vulcans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5l2K0iqKCE
"I haven't skied it yet, they don't make it in my size."
hahaha, WTF???
Looking forward to this......... and your comparison to the titan and the cochise and cochise pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by marshalolson
Here or on blistergear?
Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing. What was dynafit thinking? They didn't even let him do any product testing?!? I guess a good question for Hoji is how much input/influence he has at 4FRNT vs Dynafit, Arc'Teryx, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by srsosbso
They don't make my size either but I crammed my feet in to them anyway and took a lap today. Impressively stiff. Walk mode is great, as expected. I was more impressed with the La Sportiva Spitfire, which may or may not have had something to do with it actually fitting my foot.
seen, fondled, talked with hoji and federico.
They're part from hoji's imput, and part from previous concepts developed by federico & mario sartor, so it's not fully correct to say that they are 100% from hoji.
And yes, hoji is a 25 and they have made so far only 27 :smile:
Volume is certainly more comfortable than TLT5. I am not sure I would personally need the extra stiff of the carbon vulcan over the full-grilamid mercury, but only ski time will tell
Hoji got a haircut?
now hair and beard = same lenght
he looks in great shape, anyway :-)
The fact that Eric didn't skied yet on the Vulcan is not a surprise, it was clear from the first day. He's 25,5 and all ski boots in the planet are developed in 27,5 and, once finished the other sizes are replicated. Two ski partners of him (pro freeriders) are skiiing on the boots and giving the feedbacks for the final steps of developement. Why do you think all people on ski boots and footwear developement are 27,5? ... that's the only way to try your products.
The imput of Eric have been very important, especially because he's pushing us on making a boot for the skiers like him and not just a compromises like most of companies try to do to make more customers happy... that mean the Vulcan, once finished will be too stiff for most of the skiers. By the way the Mercury will be more appropriate or the Vulcan without tongue as well. Don't forget that the removable tongue system is not only optimizing climbing/skiing but alow as well to chose the forward flex in base of snow conditions, skis, weight etc.
As regards technologies all patents and solution on the Vulcan are part of other existing models and a bigger boot out of the TLT5 concept is in plan to exist since 2009 ;-)
marshalolson, where did you got the boots you tried? there are not many pairs around... on this blog, the only I know which has a pair is Gilles (I gave him a pair) ... by the way whatever you tried is not the final boot... we have only proto around. What will come will have 20% stiffer tongue/shell, different carbon cuff structure and TOTALLY different liner with a very different fit and some smaller details on buckles etc. fixed.
Between protos and production there is a hell of difference! ;-) ... and by the way, before we deliver Eric will have skied on his 25,5 as well.
Ciao
There were certainly some minor buckle issues with the boots at SIA but I chalked it up to it being a prototype, glad to see those will be tweaked. 20% stiffer is crazy to hear, as it was pretty stiff already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Federico
How is the fit changing? I really liked the super-snug heel/midfoot and roomy toebox, I hope that doesn't go away.
Federico, thanks for all the good info you have provided on dynafit stuff, appreciated!Quote:
Originally Posted by Federico
A quick question, will ANY of the new stiff boots come in smaller sizes, 24-24.5??
I belong to the minority of guys that have fucking tiny feet and Is struggling to find stiff & small boots. And will the last be proportianally narrower in the small sizes as well?
The TLT5 that I tried made me cry, the last is prolly 90mm wide in 24.5...and my foot is 103mm...
@meathelmet are you sure your foot isn't a peg-leg with a rubber pad on the bottom? 103mm and 24.5 is ridiculous