HOA's

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Originally Posted by Talisman

I agree there is a "sweet spot" for HOAs. I live in a place with an HOA and the HOA does a great job keeping this a great place to live. There were issues with short term renters causing issues like excessive noise, blocking vehicle access, crashing into stuff and leaving trash outside the dumpsters (this is an area with lots of bears) and the HOA got the rental agents to take responsibility for the short-term issues. The HOA also manages an annual group bulk purchase of propane during the summer when commodity rates are low, and owners pay by the gallon as they use it for substantial savings. I'm sure there are plenty of HOAs staffed by officious and petty people, but not all HOAs.

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I'd say with dumpsters ... and attached condo/townhome style living that's a different animal of HOA and warrants a LOT more need to regulate. That's more like an apartment community than individual property lots. I concede that's definitely different than HOAs where people tell people on totally different property lots with their own mailboxes and dumpsters to behave in ways that are otherwise completely legal according to local laws and building codes.

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Originally Posted by detrusor

Our dog respects the invisible fence to a point but would bolt across to chase those in a heart beat. Then sit just outside the line waiting for me to come out in my robe and take the collar off so he could come back in.


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Young dogs with a strong prey drive can require a lot of training. I’d probably get a Garmin training/tracking collar, if I was training one now.

For a few years I was only renter in a condo building with an obtuse HOA. As a straight white male I’ve never really felt what true discrimination feels like, but that might have been close.


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Nowhere does the saying "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" apply more than in a HOA.

HOAs are the norm for subdivisions in my little slice of Paradise.
There's a buttload of common greenspace here, and the City does not plow or maintain our streets so an HOA is essential
About half of the homes in our 'hood are vacation homes. STRs are verboten

Only problem is the board is not at all sophisticated. They did a shitty job of holding the developer's feet to the fire at handoff four years ago, so now the HOA is stuck with future costs the builder should have covered.

And they haven't done a reserve study - ever. Only one ever done was 10 years ago, when the developers sold the first homes. A bunch of changes have occurred since then.

Further, they haven't prepared audited financial statements, despite it being required under the HOA bylaws

And now they want to do a bunch of common area landscape improvements. They say the (as yet undisclosed) costs for said improvements will come from the "well funded reserves". I'm a little skeptical given the lack of a recent reserve study, the lack of financial statements (their monthly compilations are worthless) and the fact that the reserves declined by 33% this year due to some unanticipated repairs.

The Board was not pleased when I brought these issues up. Annual meeting is Dec 9, will see what happens then.

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Originally Posted by TBS

HOAs are the norm for subdivisions in my little slice of Paradise.
There's a buttload of common greenspace here, and the City does not plow or maintain our streets so an HOA is essential
About half of the homes in our 'hood are vacation homes. STRs are verboten

Only problem is the board is not at all sophisticated. They did a shitty job of holding the developer's feet to the fire at handoff four years ago, so now the HOA is stuck with future costs the builder should have covered.

And they haven't done a reserve study - ever. Only one ever done was 10 years ago, when the developers sold the first homes. A bunch of changes have occurred since then.

Further, they haven't prepared audited financial statements, despite it being required under the HOA bylaws

And now they want to do a bunch of common area landscape improvements. They say the (as yet undisclosed) costs for said improvements will come from the "well funded reserves". I'm a little skeptical given the lack of a recent reserve study, the lack of financial statements (their monthly compilations are worthless) and the fact that the reserves declined by 33% this year due to some unanticipated repairs.

The Board was not pleased when I brought these issues up. Annual meeting is Dec 9, will see what happens then.

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Just go to the meeting strapped with an AR 15…….:fmicon:

I would, ‘cept it’s gonna be virtual…

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Originally Posted by dannynoonan

A family put up their Christmas lights in early November. They now face fines from 'Grinch’ HOA.

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Good. I wish my condo HOA would enforce its rule banning xmas lights and Halloween decorations more than a month out. A few homeowners here had Halloween decorations up in early Sept, and put their Xmas stuff up when they put the Halloween decorations away.

All I ask for is a month off in November from all that shit.

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Originally Posted by evdog

Good. I wish my condo HOA would enforce its rule banning xmas lights and Halloween decorations more than a month out. A few homeowners here had Halloween decorations up in early Sept, and put their Xmas stuff up when they put the Halloween decorations away.

All I ask for is a month off in November from all that shit.

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Ha! We put our xmas stuff up in October usually because the weather sucks in Dec. Who cares? A few of our neighbors have some awesome displays that are up for a month or two. When they overlap it is cool too. Right now they have a 25' tall skeleton and a 25' tall Santa Claus up at the same time!

I love living in a non-HOA neighborhood where people can do whatever the F they want. Much better than the alternative. And it sure as hell hasn't negatively affected property values!

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Originally Posted by Name Redacted

Ha! We put our xmas stuff up in October usually because the weather sucks in Dec. Who cares? A few of our neighbors have some awesome displays that are up for a month or two. When they overlap it is cool too. Right now they have a 25' tall skeleton and a 25' tall Santa Claus up at the same time!

I love living in a non-HOA neighborhood where people can do whatever the F they want. Much better than the alternative. And it sure as hell hasn't negatively affected property values!

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I leave the lights on the house year round and only take down the ones on my front fence. Fuck the haters, some people around here already have yard decorations up but there’s no HOA here

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Originally Posted by TBS

I would, ‘cept it’s gonna be virtual…

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Can you be fined for logging in and using an objectionable avatar photo or virtual background? Probably!

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Originally Posted by bagtagley

10 years later and I own the house two doors down. Neighborhood is a little prettier but I sometimes miss having a small engine mechanic nearby.

The McMansions they’re cramming into my back yard are uglier than anything I’ve seen parked in people’s yards. Apparently their HOA doesn’t cover bad taste.

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HOAs in those neighborhoods don't cover bad taste, they require it.

Christmas tree lights can stay up all year, but only be lit from Nov 1 - March 31. Seems like a non-issue.

I don't see how Christmas lighting squares w all the Dark Sky requirements here, but that's a function of local government not our HOA.

I want to be able to have a junk car and a pile of scrap lumber around. And as much shit as I care to store under a blue tarp.

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Originally Posted by riser3

I want to be able to have a junk car and a pile of scrap lumber around. And as much shit as I care to store under a blue tarp.

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Just stay clear of Burlington (and 'burbs) and Middlebury and nobody will say shit.

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Originally Posted by old_newguy

“We are special snowflakes who think contracts and agreements we have signed don’t apply to us.”

The people who buy into an HOA and then complain about the HOA are worse than most HOAs.

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As opposed to snowflakes who are continually triggered by trivial issues like Christmas lights?

HOA board members are like the mall cops of the community. Hassle folks for stuff that's not illegal and shouldn't be. If a neighbor is doing something that bothers you but isn't at all illegal and you can't get the city council to agree that it should be illegal you need to look in the mirror to see the real problem..

^^^If you want this, you can't buy in Park City.
To me, it is more fascist than democratic. In some cases the idea of power goes to the boards head. Typically, very few homeowners want to be board members and have very little control of what actually goes on in a neighborhood. The past page of posts makes it abundantly clear that some HOAs are good, while others are horrific. In my case, there are 28 homes in the community. There are supposed to be 3 elected board members who serve two year terms, but we have not held an election in the three years that I have lived here, and one so called board member is a second homeowner who volunteered when one of the other members got fed up with the other two and quit. He was never elected by the community. Therefore, there really is no board. Amazing! Disputes are governed by the AAA, which charges a filing fee of $3500 for non-monetary dispute resolution and requires the HOA to be represented by counsel. ChaChing...

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Originally Posted by Ski220

HOA’s and condo associations are two entirely different beasts.

Not going to elaborate. I’m sure you know.

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Both have the problem of maintaining reserves and making decisions regarding major maintenance and repair. Obviously in a development with multiunit buildings the exposure is much higher but the issue is the same. While the bullshit design standards and the like with HOAs can be a significant annoyance, poor maintenance of the property can be financially devastating for both condos and single family houses in HOA.s. (Example--Tahoe Donner in Truckee a few years ago had a huge problem with replacing all the water mains.)

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Originally Posted by evdog

Good. I wish my condo HOA would enforce its rule banning xmas lights and Halloween decorations more than a month out. A few homeowners here had Halloween decorations up in early Sept, and put their Xmas stuff up when they put the Halloween decorations away.

All I ask for is a month off in November from all that shit.

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I'm with you (notwithstanding that we have colored lights on our deck lit all year) but fining someone because you don't agree with their taste is a problem.
Too often HOA's are another way for Americans to impose their personal taste and beliefs on other people--we've got too much of that.

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Originally Posted by schindlerpiste

^^^If you want this, you can't buy in Park City.
To me, it is more fascist than democratic. snip

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For your own well being you might have to put a crew together and take over the HOA. Right the ship, build your fence and then GTFO.

Gotta say I side with old newguy on this one, if the rules are spelled out and you don't want to abide by them, buy somewhere else. I've deliberately avoided them because of exactly that (except for the condo, which has been fine). It's pretty weak sauce to agree and sign and then bitch and fight against it.

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Originally Posted by ötzi

Gotta say I side with old newguy on this one, if the rules are spelled out and you don't want to abide by them, buy somewhere else. I've deliberately avoided them because of exactly that (except for the condo, which has been fine). It's pretty weak sauce to agree and sign and then bitch and fight against it.

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Yup.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsAugustWest

Just stay clear of Burlington (and 'burbs) and Middlebury and nobody will say shit.

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Ya, Williston sure has changed. The place I grew up in would never fly these days.

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Originally Posted by ötzi

Gotta say I side with old newguy on this one, if the rules are spelled out and you don't want to abide by them, buy somewhere else. I've deliberately avoided them because of exactly that (except for the condo, which has been fine). It's pretty weak sauce to agree and sign and then bitch and fight against it.

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What about bitching about changes to the rulz that you voted against after you signed up? Except for condo/townhouse where different families are actually vested in the sane structure I'd NEVER agree to buy property I don't have 100% control over within local laws.

Well neither would I.

Although I've had a couple of neighbors it would have been nice to have some help with.

Last year we sold our house of the past 20 years, it's on a private dead-end road that isn't part of the county road system, so the 14 homeowners had to arrange for plowing, maintenance and tree work together. There isn't even any kind of written agreement but we got it all done even with the one fuckwad who wouldn't kick down any money for anything.

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Originally Posted by ötzi

Well neither would I.

Although I've had a couple of neighbors it would have been nice to have some help with.

Last year we sold our house of the past 20 years, it's on a private dead-end road that isn't part of the county road system, so the 14 homeowners had to arrange for plowing, maintenance and tree work together. There isn't even any kind of written agreement but we got it all done even with the one fuckwad who wouldn't kick down any money for anything.

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Similar lake association. Dues, $300/year PER LOT as per the DEED. We had one family that owned 2 lots, but insisted that they should only pay for one. How selfish can you be?

I’m on my board. It’s amazing the assholes that live around you. They pay their dues and expect somekind of concierge service. Then we jack the fee $25 and people scream murder.

Iast thing I’m doing is kicking the can down the road on roofs and big stuff.

Whiners need to move accross the river.


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I remember meeting " that guy " at my dads senior's condo residence moving stuff or STF,

perhaps sensing my irreverent sense of humor or just knowing my dad he said " I'm the asshole "

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Originally Posted by Cono Este

I’m on my board. It’s amazing the assholes that live around you. They pay their dues and expect somekind of concierge service. Then we jack the fee $25 and people scream murder.

Iast thing I’m doing is kicking the can down the road on roofs and big stuff.

Whiners need to move accross the river.


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Whiners need to move in to their own lots instead of sharing structures.. Definitely need legally binding collective agreement for condos/townhomes where you don't own the entire building yourself..

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Originally Posted by schindlerpiste

^^^If you want this, you can't buy in Park City.
To me, it is more fascist than democratic. In some cases the idea of power goes to the boards head. Typically, very few homeowners want to be board members and have very little control of what actually goes on in a neighborhood. The past page of posts makes it abundantly clear that some HOAs are good, while others are horrific. In my case, there are 28 homes in the community. There are supposed to be 3 elected board members who serve two year terms, but we have not held an election in the three years that I have lived here, and one so called board member is a second homeowner who volunteered when one of the other members got fed up with the other two and quit. He was never elected by the community. Therefore, there really is no board. Amazing! Disputes are governed by the AAA, which charges a filing fee of $3500 for non-monetary dispute resolution and requires the HOA to be represented by counsel. ChaChing...

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You can buy in real Park City with no HOA, no problem.

But it's a rarity out here in the Snyderville Basin because it's unincorporated Summit County. We've got HOAs and special service districts fulfilling the role that regular municipal government plays in other jurisdictions. Neighborhood architectural regs, road maintenance, snow removal, trails and parks, water and sewer. That stuff is all handled by the city if you live in old town, for example. But it's a rat's nest of ssds and HOAs out here out of necessity and for lack of better options.

It would probably be simpler if the Basin were incorporated into Park City, the scope of some of the big master associations and HOAs were reduced, and the ssds were taken over by the regular government. But that's not going to happen and you've got to dance with the girl you brought. Given that it's such a hodgepodge, I think it mostly works okay.

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Who does police and fire, the county?

We have ccr’s where I live but no one, even my neighbor who bought in the 70s, can remember a board and there are no fees.


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Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

HOA board members are like the mall cops of the community. Hassle folks for stuff that's not illegal and shouldn't be. If a neighbor is doing something that bothers you but isn't at all illegal and you can't get the city council to agree that it should be illegal you need to look in the mirror to see the real problem..

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Is breach of contract illegal? Most HOAs require new owners to sign a "contract" agreeing to the HOA bylaws and covenants. Many are way more restrictive than city zoning ordnances...but once you sign that contract, are you bound by it?

Again, don't buy into an HOA if you don't want to abide....

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Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

Whiners need to move in to their own lots instead of sharing structures.. Definitely need legally binding collective agreement for condos/townhomes where you don't own the entire building yourself..

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We’ve got people who have been here for decades. When these townhomes were dirt cheap and dues were $100 a month. They need to gtfo. One is the president of university and won’t pay dues until we pay an attorney and threaten a lien. Then she tries to settle. The last time I told everyone no settlement and 6 months later the bitch paid up. But now she’s a yr behind again.

Still, the houses I’ve owned, I’ve had bad neighbors and you can’t do shit.. A neighbors tree branch fell and took out the shed I just built for my girl friends house and the fucker told us to call our insurance. Too cheap to trim this monster of a tree and we’re just waiting for the next one to come through the roof.



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Originally Posted by ötzi

Who does police and fire, the county?

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Both...

Maybe Old Town only. I think that DV, Thaynes, Park Meadows, Prospector, Aerie all have HOA. Old Town has it's own problems with historical conservation which may be worse than HOA

If you put the collective maggot experiences with HOA's in a bucket, it would be a drop compared to what I know from each side.

Let me say this, if you choose to live in a distopian organized homo ner association of people, you can expect what you, yes you, are.

I'll say no more.

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Originally Posted by old goat

Got a lawyer friend who can write 'em a letter insinuating expensive consequences if they refuse to approve some kind of dog run per the CC&R's?

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is he a pro at that stuffs
cause shindler is;)

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Originally Posted by ötzi

I've only ever belonged to one, at our condo, and it's been awesome. They've totally been on it as far as the condition of the building and reserves and all that but they've been transparent otherwise. Just lucky I guess but they're definitely not all bad.

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it'd been mo better if you or the icewoman ran it and didnt have to hound me about shaving and wearing gortex as a uniform

This thread is hysterical.

I mean, JHC people. My first month in the 'hood (now been here over 22 yrs) I figure out Tucker is the HoA pres. So HoA sponsors a 4 keg all-day July 4th pool party. I'm the new guy talkin to Tuck ( who is sporting an egyptian hat with "kingTuck" written with a sharpie).

Old Mr Taylor walks up hollerin complainin "Tuck, this...this...this is just like a fraternity party"
Tuck: "Yeah. Ain't it great?"

you guys in the wrong HoA. You got nobody to blame but yerselves.

HOAs suck when they are busting your balls for doing something either stupid or against the CCRs.

They are great when your neighbor is doing something stupid or against the CCRs and you don't want to get involved other than making a complaint.

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Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark

If you put the collective maggot experiences with HOA's in a bucket, it would be a drop compared to what I know from each side.

Let me say this, if you choose to live in a distopian organized homo ner association of people, you can expect what you, yes you, are.

I'll say no more.

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I can say as much as you cause I guess I know what you do lawyers are fun when it comes to hoa's
president of an hoa very large one defacto member of another one
I don't enjoy being an asshole but someone has to as it's said before don't buy one in one if you are all about your freedom to do what you want

and I"ll just let eazy e say what I want to say
"So when the shit hits the fan, it's outta my mouth
You don't like what I'm talkin' about?
All of ya'll can just suck my dick
You can quote me now cause I'm still talkin' shit"