Exactly. Then push on the heels and shut 'er down. I'm amazed at how fast you can scrub speed on these skis in deep snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by pisteoff
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Exactly. Then push on the heels and shut 'er down. I'm amazed at how fast you can scrub speed on these skis in deep snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by pisteoff
^But does that bug you ? That sliding out of the tails, sort of a back end slarve? When I ski my Atlas, the more you angle the edges, the faster/easier the tip engages your turn. So as long as you are balanced and creating edge angle (the same you would on a groomer) you are going to be able to turn on a dime. You never even need to scrub speed because you are in more control. It feels more dynamic to me. Maybe its just personal preference
^I like it. In powder you can angle your turns on Lhasas and make big gs turns like on a groomer or you can slarve. I feel I can ski faster all the time because I can slow down faster, I guess it makes me feel like I have more control. I don't feel like the tails wash out at all, in fact it's the opposite they dig in if pressured but the tips stay up. I mounted boot center on the line and there is a lot of tail. I really think of getting forward, more as getting centered. Of course I have them mounted for tele, so it's probably different with your heels fixed.
196 Blizzard Bodacious? It fits what you are looking for, but I would go for the cochise instead. Cochise with one of the stronger tech bindings would not be a bad option for what you are looking for. Not supper light, but increadably versatile and and fun to ski.
Rossi RC112 meets all but the weight qualification. DPS W105's 188 Pures would be my choice, now if DPS would just give the ski a rocker instead of early rise... I got mine used for $400. They railed groomers, floated / cut through pow predictably, skied trees well (as long as you stayed forward and are ok with going fast), and absolutely railed on steeps. Best ski for 50 degree corn I have ever experienced.
This, but with 200cm lotus 120 pures and dukes/plum guides.Quote:
Originally Posted by khyber.pass
I can dream.
I'll bring this thread back up as I'm having a similar dilemma. Tahoe skier taking his first trip over to the Alps this winter. 2 weeks total. Chamonix>?>St. Anton and I can't figure out what skis to bring. I'll be traveling with 2 people only rocking trekkers so we'll only be looking to do more than a boot pack if its necessary to find good snow.
What I've got/considered.
Praxis BC w FT12s & Virus boots. Love this set up but, do I want to spend that much time in bounds on my dynafits with more resort oriented skiers.
CRJ's w STH16s I lose all touring ability or get trekkers which wouldn't be much fun.
Bros w Dukes. OK skis but, not really thrilled off piste/powder where I definitely want some rocker and more shape.
Praxis Mtn Jib w Dukes This is the setup I think I would want but, I would have to buy the skis before the sale ended on the 1st.
2 pairs of skis. Not really considering because I would do CRJs and Praxis BC which would then require 2 different pairs of boots as well.
Any thoughts for a first timer to the alps who will mostly be skiing with a guide but, not really touring much unless the snow is really bad.
Thanks
I don't think this applies perfectly to your situation, but it might be useful.
From what I know about the current technology, I think that while there are many skis I can enjoy thoroughly in soft conditions (they are all around 139 in the tip, 119 in the waist, and 129 in the tail WITH tip rocker and only slight underfoot camber) and the Dynafit Titan is good both for skiing inbounds and touring, I still prefer 2 bindings if I am going to ride lifts and tour.
My current quiver is Movement Goalith 191 with 916 and Salomon Rocker2 with PLUM Guides. I plan to use inserts on both setups, and switch my 916 and PLUM bindings back and forth as needed. This way I only have one major choice to make: which ski. If it seems like I will be skiing primarily harder snow, I will stick with a 109 underfoot ski, which ideally has a slightly stiffer flex. If I am going to find some pow, I will go with the 119 underfoot ski, which ideally has a slightly softer flex, (just my preferences).
What I would choose on your trip depends on the people you are going with, and the time of year. I think it sounds like your 2 friends are not going to be touring much, because alpine trekkers are not fun. To me that sounds like the time for a ski with alpine bindings that is about 134-112-124 and has slight tip rocker but normal camber underfoot.
Couldn't have described the original Pontoon better, digging Sumo's much more.Quote:
Originally Posted by shasti
Europe does not need something wider than 105 maximum 110 for a trip ski. Completely redundant!! Its about big ass lines here and if you rock up and its shit which it can be for a long time. Think last winter all euro dudes out there. Now I like my FAT/LONG ass skis. PowBoards, Protests, Rocker 2 etc. Have them and I love them. Got 30 days on them last year. Fischer Watea 101 182cm with dyn. Touring heaven. Love my long skis but you do not really want have to be jump turning 190cm of ski in a 15' wide chute over nasty exposure. 99mm-105 is the quiver of one for Europe.
E.g Dolomites March 2011. 80cm of new snow over 2 days. Only had by 191 shoguns with me. First day 40 cm of fresh tree skiing, 191 shogun = AWESOME. Crazy skandis = Pontoons, Hellbents, Solly Rockers, i.e really fat!!! But I was busting pillows bombing little 10 footers like the rest of them. Next day tracks filled in total of 80 laying on the ground = bottomless agh!!!! 101mm shogun tree skiing face shots all the way just as stoked as everyone else on my little itty bitty 101mm. 3rd day bluebird, cold till lunch then sun influence and warming temps. 3000' vert lines all morning then started to mash potato. Only time in the trip I wanted my super fats. Next day refrozen breakable crust in certain places. Dude on the hellbents went from confidant crazy skandi to shittin his pants. Long story short the boys on the big toys didnt have fun that day and most of them gave up till early afternoon when it started to corn up (wrong word, firn like) in the sun. But the 101mm killed it in the deep the slush the groomers the mank the pretty much everything.
Not sure of this is a good summary but its huge ass terrain where the snow is not going to be friendly to you. Touring rig is a must so plates are a good idea. Shit gets tracked fast the cool thing is lifts go up everywhere so short skins = large rewards.
When I think of my Euro quiver of one i.e train trip where late in the year if I do not know if the snow is coming in wet cause its warm or how much is coming in (prediction accuracy can be dicy, e.g said trip to the Dolomites was only meant to get 40cm), I picture the ski which I can have the most fun on in the shittiest conditions that that particular weather pattern "could" produce.
You don't want to be stuck on a pair of 120mm skis in Europe. If its like many periods in 2010/2011 you are going to be begging for some skinny rando ass things that let you go slay big vert. Best, most fun place to ski in the world. Come for the terrain, the crazy lifts, the mad parties, Face shots are a bonus ;) .... You want to get white crap all over your face head to Japan or interior BC.
Long rant.
Cheers, and bring some some la nina snow with you cause last year in Europe made me feel like a heroin addict.
Seriously mad props if anyone does 5-day hut trips on 192atlas+duke combo.
Thanks for this sqikunst. Hope to take 1st ski trip across the pond soonQuote:
Originally Posted by sqikunst
I keep going back to the Praxis BC. I already ski it and love it in all conditions. Having the same pair of skis with Dynafits and Dukes seems redundant, but I'm not going to a plate system now. The 2 pairs of skis would serve different purposes as a BC with dukes is a great everyday Tahoe resort ski and would be perfect for a trip across the pond as far as I can tell.
There are only 1.5 groomed runs at whitewater.
4frnt ehp..........
I got the Whitedot Ragnarok for this season, but haven´t skied it yet, and is closer to 11 lbs without bindings. 143/120/130 dims (193).
I've been going through a similar debate with myself. I have two trips planned for the winter that entail 5-6 days of bc touring in Idaho and Utah with 2-3 days riding lifts. There may be a third trip to Tahoe in the works that would probably be mostly lift served for a weekend. My current setup is Katanas w/ Dukes which is way too heavy for 3 days of touring, but the ride is awesome. I have a pair of 185 JJ's on the way and am debating whether to put Dynafits or Dukes on them. I'm not really sure how I feel about the big twins for real bc skiing so I'm still looking around. If they can charge close to the Katanas they may become more of a resort/slack rig and I'll keep looking for a bc setup for the dynafits. Others I've considered for dual purpose w/ dynafits. Criteria being 105-125 waist, <9lb, rockered tips (prefer tails as well) and not a true twin (again prefer flat tails but a little early rise is ok)
Praxis BC - 180 seems short and 190 seems really long for true backcountry applications, but seem to serve the dual purpose of mostly touring w/ some liftserved
Volkl Nunataq- not much out there on these yet and not sure they're built to withstand the abuse of resort skiing, but the idea of lighter gotama-ish skis is intruiging.
Fatypus I-Rock - light, fat and available w/ a flat tail for bc utility. Never skiied them and don't know much about them other than the Fatypus propaganda
Coombacks- probably the most practical, but having been on them, they're not super exciting to ski
Edit: Maybe hybrid Wailer 112s should be on my list. Close to my weight limit and sound pretty sweet. Pures are a little too pricey
^^ I think the Praxis BC sounds pretty ideal, as far as the ski part of things goes, for your trip, as well as kix515s Euro trip.
I already have a similar shape ski (191 Movement Goliath), but when it is trashed, I will be looking at the Praxis BC or the Movement Trust to fit that "Do everything" slot that you want if you are only taking one ski on a trip and the conditions might be hard.
As far as the duke/dynafit dilemma kix515, you might want to use inserts. I think you can install them in the holes you have your dynafits in now, and then install a set for the duke, or whatever alpine binder you want to use. Cheap, easy, versatile, just make sure you're careful when installing them
Ski:
186 4frnt EHP
Bindings:
Plum Guide
Solly 9-16 (metal, red)
Solyfit plate
Trekkers
Boots:
Dynafit EHP boot
OR
Lange FR 130
and
Garmont Radium/Shogun
^^^Why would you bring trekkers ?
Slack country with alpine boots at resorts like whitewater, revy, kicking horse, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by shasti
The setup I described is one I already have in my current quiver. Trying to reduce the quiver though. Almost have the quiver of one dialed. Almost.
^^Nice work man!
Feel free to PM me if you want to team up in BC sometime, I think I will be there a lot this winter
What is this boot of which you speak?Quote:
Originally Posted by iscariot
Europe.
I have Do have 190 redeemers & 194 ragnaroks.
But when I have to take just one pair I bring my ''touring'' setup (184 Rossi Quad-B 100 and Fritchi FR+). fat enough for anything , edgy enough for no fall zones (Chamonix is one very big no fall zone, and sustained 1000-3000 ft couloirs at 45 degrees on hardpack is not the same as some short 60 degree bit of powder with a nice runout), sort of light enough to climb >5500 ft of vertical (yes I soo envied my mates on dynafits.. I also envied their much bigger lungs and nordic genes). And easy enough to ski with legs that are less than stellar after 5500 ft of vertical.
180-184 is about the sweetspot for big touring skies (allmost regardless of you own size) as that will still fit most tight places and is light enough to haul on a bootpack.
I pray that the yet to be released baby Ragnarok can take it's place when it gets too old so I can reduce the quiver to two again.
In europe you have to give up some float for not dying.. it is a good trade off !
while fun the whole hyper fat ski thing is getting stupid. I skied one 120 day season on K2 yellow AKlaunchers before and I never had complaints. If you did not float enough you where going too slow. :) or you where just stoked because it was soo deep.