None of the tech manual links worked for me, so here's a couple I was able to find with google...
http://www.tyrolia.com/fileadmin/pdf....Manual_EN.pdf
http://download398.mediafire.com/cl4...Manual.english
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None of the tech manual links worked for me, so here's a couple I was able to find with google...
http://www.tyrolia.com/fileadmin/pdf....Manual_EN.pdf
http://download398.mediafire.com/cl4...Manual.english
I'm running FF 20's on my Alotta's,flat AFD,diagonal heel,no toe slop either.Got another one N.I.B. on stand by for my new planks...
Crosspost about initial impressions of Railflex II binding system...
[ame="http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3005200&postcount=19"]Teton Gravity Research Forums - View Single Post - (semi)demo binding recommendation request[/ame]
So I received and mounted the 2010-11 head powerrail 12D.
I posted details of my self-mount in this thread - [ame="http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203277"]Just mounted 2010 Head Powerrails - Teton Gravity Research Forums[/ame]. It sank like a stone
Who else has this binding? My impressions are pretty good now that its mounted, stand height reduction was vastly exaggerated, and bending the brakes sucked but I was prepared for that
I'm still puzzled that there are very few retailers that are selling the powerrail and that Head still hasn't made parts like wide brakes available.
Now I'm making a trekker system that I can use for really low impact touring and traverse. (the rail system will allow me to move open the toe and heel and snap in the main plate) --
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...t/CIMG2811.jpg
I thought I could use a Voile plate as the boot interface but of course its made for snowboard boots, and I doubt I will find an old besser plate like the one pictured; so now I'm looking for some beat-up step-in crampons which I will cut and bend to the will of my Frankenstein plan. ( I posted a thread, [ame="http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203369"]WTB step-in aluminum crampons - Teton Gravity Research Forums[/ame], which I'll bump a couple of times)
Anyone have some old crampons to sell cheap for a dubious cause?
Which Tyrolia binding is the Amplid T.F.T.
http://www.shopatron.com/products/pr....0.0.0.0?pp=8&
seen there....
what do I need to know about them, any excessive finicking necessary, can most shops get em right, any toe adjustments needed (Wings or anything)
looking into a trade for a pair, used on season....
go for it, or fear it.
Looks to me like a Mojo, but don't quote me on it. I don't think any binders other than Salomon have any toe wing adjustment, but again, don't quote me.
Looking at what I've just typed, I'm wondering if I should have just shut up and let someone else chime in.
Oh well...
I presume that you mean the FTF.
If you look at the technical database linked earlier in the thread, you'll find this record for the FTF. And if you compare those specs to the Peak 15, you'll find them to be exactly the same, right down to the weight.
Thought I'd chime in on the toe slop question... I've got a pair of Mojo 15s with ridiculous lateral slop. Like Fritschi touring binding level of wobble. Forward pressure seemed right and I took them to the shop that mounted them (Pro Ski in Seattle) and they thought everything was right. "That's just the way they are" was the highly technical response. The boots I was using were a bit worn in the toe but not that worn. I've got new boots and will check this again tonight.
Update...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad
Current tech manual and other documents
Technical manuals archive
Nice score, Dad.
I'll echo Baker Boys old post that the tractor tread toe seems to handle vibram well. But I worry sometimes when spring mud gets in that roller mechanism and it starts getting hinky, so I clean it out.
Reviving an old thread, as it always seems good to keep info in one place.
I've got a pair of newer Mojo 15s (race heel, not diagonal). Set to a DIN of 9 and forward pressure is within the correct range.
I just mounted them up on some new skis, and when I go to do a nose press (i.e. with my weight all the way forward and cranking hard) - they double eject me. Interestingly, the heels both end up in the 'open' position - so they're releasing me vertically from the back.
I've never had this happen on my Look PX15s before - also DIN of 9.
What's the consensus? Up the forward pressure a notch so that it's at the top of the range? Turn the heel up to 10? turn the heel and toe up to 10? Switch back to the PXs?
Get longer, stiffer skis.
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Since you checked the forward pressure (Tyrolia bindings tend to be more sensitive to being off on forward pressure than some other brands). If you are tall (lots more leverage), then I would try to crank up the heel up 1/2 or to 1 more to 10 and test again. I can eject out of my Look (Rossi) or Tyrolia if I lean forward far enough and usually crank the heel up 1/2 notch if it happens too often.Quote:
Originally Posted by alkos
In my experience, every Tyrolia binding I've ever skied like to have the FP set towards the higher end.
Completely agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian
I will echo a couple others and say they prefer higher forward pressure. I would also like to just point out that nose presses in general put much higher forces vertically on the binding heel than pretty much anything else. A soft soft soft ski will not pre-release out of the heel when nose pressing, because it changes the torque angles quite a bit, so I am going to assume you have a medium to stiff flex ski. I can butter/press with my Line Elizabeths all day, but at the same din and forward pressure, trying to do the same on my pollards opus causes a similar double ejection once in a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by alkos
I would try to play with the forward pressure before you start adjusting DIN.
Also, just as a general comment, not sure if anyone has said this before, but the 18din Tyrolia bindings have metal wings on the toe, where the 15s have plastic toe wings.
I have a mystery regarding Fischer-branded x17 bindings: I mounted a used pair of these recently for Alpine boots with well-preserved soles and there's a huge amount of vertical toe slop.
The only odd thing about mounting these was that they were missing the plastic shim that sits under the AFD. I had another pair of old tyrolias around so I used their shim and it sure looks and seems to fit fine, but maybe there are other versions that push the afd up higher?
Any advice for what looks like a toe height issue on these tyrolias?
Thanks!
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Resolution: the toe pieces just had significant (2-5mm) vertical play. Inspecting some other toes made the issue clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by goran
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Anyone know if Tyrolia race bindings (Freeflex Evo) use the same jig as Attack series? Looks like they might, looking at photos online.
Yes, all adult FreeFlex models regardless of max DIN (the current Evo as well as older versions) all use the 92 jig --- same as the AttacksQuote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
Seeking advice. I have a set of demo attack 13s on a pair of GPOs and I've never set the forward pressure on Tyrolia's before. Here's a pic of my boots in the bindings. Is my forward pressure correct or is it set too tight?
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Forward pressure looks too low if anything. Try moving your heels forward one notch and see if the ends of those two silver tabs end up in the center of the 4 dashed lines.
Ideally what MRR11 said, taps a little more in the middle. Better a little forward of center than back.
Ok. Thanks!
Does anyone know if the Attack or Ambition use the same pattern as the Peak. My son just scored himself a pair of used Solomon QST Pro 120's so he can borrow/steal my backcounty skis. I told him if tries to swap the sole plates too much he will likely strip a screw hole (he's 17 and careful is not in his vocab.) I'm wondering if there is another binding that uses some or all of the same hole so he can upgrade his Cochises (he won't be touring just needs something that works with his boots).
Attack and Peak share the same holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Telemahn
I just came here to say what a ballsy binding the Attack 13 is. My kid has a set on his park skis. After the season, I back off on spring tension on the family binding collection and reset them before the season. Well this year I forgot to set those apparently. This weekend for fun I decide take them into the park and do some light jumping and pussy rails and then jam in some woods. We have the same boot size. 3-4 runs in, I notice DINs are set at 4. I'm 6'2" and 205. Never came out once. Ballsy bindings.
Looking for advice on Tyrolia bindings. I am relatively new skier and I have very little knowledge on bindings, so I can't understand the tech stuff well.
I am buying some new skis (Line Blend) and was thinking to get Attack2 Demo bindings on them. I chose the demos for two reasons - to be able to move the binding between dead centre and back stance, as I don't have much experience with similar skis so I am not sure which mount position would suit me best. Also, I though it will make the skis more re-sellable later.
Looking at specs I have noticed the "diagonal release" and 4 toe rollers on models like SX10 (which I have currently), while the Attacks have only 2 toe rollers and no mention of 180/diagonal release. The heel pieces look quite similar to the SX10.
I am 39 years old and I am quite keen on safety. I do baby things like a nose/tail press, slide a box, or a small 180 jump, but nothing serious in terms of park riding - no big air, rails etc. On groomers and powder I ski at moderate speeds, like 30-40 kph.
As far as I understand the Attacks are meant to be very strong and keep your skis on when you make land big jumps, drops, hit rails heavily etc. Is it in expense of safety though? Are they less likely to release properly on weird twisting falls? Or it's just them having a different design and they will be just as safe as the lower class bindings like the SX10 ?
If there is a major safety gain I would be willing to loose the ability to change the mount position and just get AM12 or SX10.
Just get Attack13’s...don’t bother with their “budget” models....Quote:
Originally Posted by boyanr
OK, forget the SX10, this is more of a general question on safety. It can be the AM12 or the Marker Squire 11 or the Griffin. They all have toes that are said to release in backwards twisting falls, while for the Attack it seems there is no such technology and there is only lateral release in the toes?
...Quote:
Originally Posted by boyanr
Quote:
Originally Posted by BC.
No binding on the market protects your knees.
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OK thanks for the input, Attacks it is, at least for now, maybe one day I switch to Look Pivots
One final question - as I said I was thinking to get the demo, in order to experiment with different positions and find out which will suit me best. I have never skied such type of skis and as some swear by centre mount, some go with recommended (a few cm from centre) and many go somewhere in between, the Attack Demo would let me ski all those and figure out which one works best for me. At the same time, I am getting a very flexible ski (Line Blends) for butters and stuff, will the Demo significantly effect the flex because of the rails? The Blends are supposedly stiffer under the boot but yet... If the flex is affected I guess I will go with regular Attacks, which would even save me like 30-40 euros.
Majorly old thread bump.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad
Having this same problem on a pair of Peak 18's, can't find a good answer anywhere. Wings just slightly move horizontally and vertically when twisting them by hand without the boot clicked in. Anyone have info? Doesn't seem to affect the on snow feel as far as I can tell but trying to get ahead of it before it gets worse (ie I get ejected in a bad spot). Skied them hard without issue yet, knock on wood.
I'm still using this bindings on 3 pairs of skis, always loved them and haven't had a reason to upgrade. Would swapping the toes out for Attacks work with the Peak heel if worse comes to worse? Think they use the same hole pattern so that would seem be the easiest fix. Thanks
Can I bring this thread back from the dead?
Looks like the attack2 is now a 14 din GW and has an updated toe piece and a lower stand height…
Powder 7 is my source…
Anyone know if the ramp delta has been reduced to neutral or altered in any way with these other “improvements”?
Ya according to Powder7 the new Attack 14 GW is 7mm lower, or the same as the regular attacks were.
PSA Corbetts still has some leftover Attack2 16s for $140ish USD. For anyone looking for a bit burlier binding for cheap. Lots of other bindings under the "Sale" tab. I bought a few pairs this year already.
Think you guys are thinking of the Attack2 14 AT which has a higher stand high and accepts touring boots in addition to traditional alpine and GW boots. Haven’t seen any info on the 2022 of the AT models at all. The Attack2 11 GW has finally dropped to the same 17mm as the attack2 12 and up vs the old 21mm.
The Attack2 14 GW just replaces the Attack2 13 GW and the new Attack2 17 GW replaces the old Attack2 16 GW and 18 GW.
Stand height still the same at 17mm on the heel(adjusted toe AFD is usually around 14mm on an alpine boot). The heel lever has been lightened and now has a window so that the DIN scale can be seen in the open or closed position. They also made some sort of locking mechanism on the AFD height adjust screw so it can’t ever loosen after adjustment.
Think incorrect set up of the AFD(no getting the toe to wheelie first to eliminate slack before adjustment) was more the issue but this will for sure stop any problems. Weight drops about 50 grams a pair on the 14 vs the 13 and a touch more of the 17 vs 16(decent amount lighter than the old 18 though).
So agree that the 13s and 16s at Corbetts are the best bang for the buck still. Just picking up a pair of 13s myself from them this weekend.
Does the AT attack have the same toe as the adrenalin? The wardens did not work with my punched at boots but the adrenalins work with them.
Do the new Attack demos share the same hole pattern as the non-demos? If so, for what BSL?
Anyone have a good source for tyrolia brakes? If I get the 85 can they be bent for 110 skis? I did it with OG fks.