I just signed up for Modern Arnis. I went to a demonstration class and i thought it was awesome. The teacher is a little Filipino guy who is impossibly intense and relaxed at the same time.
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I just signed up for Modern Arnis. I went to a demonstration class and i thought it was awesome. The teacher is a little Filipino guy who is impossibly intense and relaxed at the same time.
sounds a bit like taking a dump.
if I could take a dump while sleep eating I'd be in heavenQuote:
Originally Posted by Hayduke
All these "arts" are shit. There are only 4 you need to be concerned with. Muy Thai, Jui-Jitsu, Boxing, and Wrestling. In that order of importance.
verbal judo
I suggest you ask for your money back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Star
Wow, who the hell are you, Special Agent Jack Bauer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
Me - Japanese styles (specifically Shito-ryu and Butokukan), studied/practiced roughly five years (quit long ago), strictly for sport/tournaments - not for self defense. Help my skiing? Back then, definitely yes. Now, not so much:(
Nope. When your life is on the line you make different decisions than when you are making decisions for money or show. The Chinese martial systems that were developed before the advent of firearms(and when they were still family, or closed society, systems) are fundamentally different than anything that has been developed since. I didn't want to waste my time on anything other than the real thing, or with a teacher who couldn't teach it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by pisteoff
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Originally Posted by Rubicon
There's also a lot of bars in this world where that kind of training comes in handy.
I believe Roo has clearly demonstrated what styles were the best suited for bars.
And most situations if your back is up against the wall ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by philippeR
What are you doing that is putting your life on the line? A great lifesaver would be to just, you know, stop doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
And don't you think that if you were in a fight with your exact double who had training in Muay Thai, BJJ, boxing, he'd kick your ass?
Here's a thread started by Cliff over three years ago:
:p
THREE + YEARS AGO!!:eek:
A good lifesaver would be to just, you know, stop posting.
I'm not. But the generations of people who built/refined my art were. Same is true of any art that was developed before the advent of firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cliff Huckable
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And don't you think that if you were in a fight with your exact double who had training in Muay Thai, BJJ, boxing, he'd kick your ass?
No.
I wouldn't want to fight him. But all things being equal, he would lose.
I want to meet a female master of Pu Tang and get pussywhipped.
Something like this(NSFW)?Quote:
Originally Posted by splat
My fighting style is by far superior to all those mentioned here. I call in cowardfu. I perfom a swift 180 degree turn, run like the wind and don't look back! If they have already grabbed me I simply kiss them on the mouth. This often causes the over testosterone filled douche to freak out or question his sexuality giving me ampel time to escape.
Yeah, wonder if Stunt Cok had a bit part in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
Bwaaaa!
wow, do you really believe that?? Honestly, all things being equal, if you fought your mirror image (exact same mental and physical toughness) who was a BJJ fighter of the same level, you'd lose probably 9 times out of 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
And I just (semi) disrespected BJJ in my previous post, because I think that standing up and banging is more fun to watch (and do) than more technical BJJ/grappling. But if the advent of mixed martial arts has proven anything, its that brazilian jiu jitsu beats every other style, almost every time, in no rules fighting... Which is why you cant even enter any kind of open fighting ring without some knowledge and experience of it.
Remember UFC #1? 1993. waaay before the term "mixed martial arts" was coined. 8 fighters, different styles, no weight classes, no judges. tap or get knocked out. Royce Gracie walked through 3 much bigger fighters, including Ken Shamrock, to easily win the title. (He beat Shamrock in under a minute, and in the finals choked out a bad-ass french kickboxer in just over a minute) He then defended his crown in UFC 2 - again against much bigger fighters, and again overwhelmingly - and several more UFCs after that, before everybody smartened up and realized that they needed to train in this martial art to be competetive in the sport.
I'd rather train (and watch) muay thai out of personal preference, but I have no illusions about which one wins head-to-head.
Do you know my art? Do you know the school where I trained? Do you know my instructor? Do you know me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamond Joe
Your ignorance is only eclipsed by your arrogance.
No rules? Really? Can you bite(start ripping chunks of flesh out of a BJJ guys neck and see how long he stays wrapped up with you after that)? Can you gouge your opponents eyes? Can you fishhook? Can you strike/grab/bite the groin? Can you deliver multiple, rapid fire strikes to the face? Do you have to wear hand covering of any kind? Is there the possibility of one or both people having a knife stashed somewhere on their person? What is this "no rules" fighting you speak of?Quote:
But if the advent of mixed martial arts has proven anything, its that brazilian jiu jitsu beats every other style, almost every time, in no rules fighting...
Edit: to add that going to the ground is a very, very bad idea unless you are 100% sure your opponent doesn't have a knife. Throw a blade into the mix and BJJ begins to lose some of it's shine very quickly. and while you are chewing on that one I would like to welcome you to the real world where the unknown influences your choices more than the known. Are you 100% sure that your opponent doesn't have a buddy who is going to stomp your skull into the ground? If not then you better not go to the ground. BJJ is a great tournament art but rolling around in a bunch of broken glass on the floor of a crowded bar(there is always broken glass on the floor when a fight breaks out) doesn't sound like the best way to win a fight.
You are talking about a competition, not a fight. There is a defined boundary. There is a defined starting time and ending time. There is a defined number of participants. There are rules. You have obviously bought into the marketing hype and are confusing martial sports with martial arts.Quote:
Which is why you cant even enter any kind of open fighting ring without some knowledge and experience of it.
Edit: Edit: Damn, I'm in a pissy mood tonight.
I feel like you probably played alot of street fighter as a kid. You're not by chance a ki master are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
AikidoQuote:
What Style?
5 yearsQuote:
How long?
Seemed like a good way to avoid hurting yourself falling - the dojo had a hardwood floor and AJ is all about falls and breakfallsQuote:
How'd you choose your style?
Hell yes. It's kept me from hurting myself a couple times, with it you learn to be someone that absolutely cannot be knocked over, and you can take a fall well.Quote:
and, do you think it helps your skiing?
I stopped a few years ago, as it wasn't quite mean enough for me and was too focused on "ki" and other things. I'm looking into Krav Maga and Systema, but the latter is hard to find a teacher. Both of these systems use firearms in the training.
And you train this how? I'm sure your training partners love it when you start eye gouging them and biting chunks of flesh out of their necks.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
The best self defense classes teach you very little of this. They teach you how to defend and escape. Even Krav Maga, which is designed and used for exactly the purposes you stated (and its actually modern) doesn't train fishhooking.
But you keep on practicing biting groins. :rolleyes2
Wow pal. Sorry. I thought we were talking about Martial Arts, you know, where there is RESPECT and HONOR for yourself and your opponent. I didnt realize we were talking about flesh-biting eye-gouging death fighting... What is this, Mortal Combat? Ancient Rome?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
Obviously I'm talking about competition! Only an idiot - and definitely NOT a true martial artist - tries to prove himself in a bar. Martial artists test themselves in competition where, yes, there are (some) RULES.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
YOU are confusing Martial Arts with life-or-death SELF DEFENSE. Re-check the title of this thread.
Edit: to add that biting is fucking WEEEEAK. and cowardly. But to each his own. (As the previous poster said; You keep practicing your "groin biting" skills...)
Respect and honor for yourself and your opponent are products of Bushidō. Japan is a very small place compared to the rest of the ancient world. The sensibilities you find there were not always found in the rest of the world. There was a time when a method of fighting was intended to keep you alive. When you are fighting for your life the guy who has more respect for his opponent is the one who ends up dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamond Joe
Do you think our troops in Iraq are worried about "respect and honor for themselves and their opponent" when they are engaged in a firefight? They are practicing a modern martial art. They are using the tactics appropriate to the state of the art. Before firearms, empty hand and edged weapons techniques/systems/training was the state of the art in military technology. Where do you think the term "martial" came from? Why do you think the legends and myths are full of stories about these arts being jealously guarded and kept secret?
I'm not talking about "proving" yourself. I'm talking about fighting. Sometimes the fight finds you and is unavoidable or preferable to the alternative. It's good to have choices.Quote:
Obviously I'm talking about competition! Only an idiot - and definitely NOT a true martial artist - tries to prove himself in a bar.
You have a lot of fluffy ideas about what a martial artist is and is not. We will just have to agree to disagree on this point. There was a time when a martial art was not considered a self-improvement program or a recreational activity.
You have a lot of fluffy ideas about what a martial artist is and is not. We will just have to agree to disagree on this point.Quote:
YOU are confusing Martial Arts with life-or-death SELF DEFENSE. Re-check the title of this thread.
I would be interested in how weak and cowardly you are feeling when you are about to die and your only chance to live is to bite the guy.Quote:
Edit: to add that biting is fucking WEEEEAK. and cowardly. But to each his own.
Biting is generally a bad idea due to blood-borne pathogens. My art doesn't incorporate it into the system. I threw that out there to illustrate that your "no rules" fighting in fact, did have rules.Quote:
(As the previous poster said; You keep practicing your "groin biting" skills...)
Look, people train in many different kinds of systems for many different reasons. Newer arts look different from older arts because they came about in different environments. I went looking for an older art that was taught by a teacher with an older mindset. I found it. Instead of getting your panties in a wad because my view of martial arts differs from yours, try to understand that you might not know all there is to know about martial arts and what you understand martial arts to be today might differ from what they used to be. The world didn't spring into existence when you became aware of it.
^^^so go ahead and tell us what art this is^^^^
Youre so full of self-righteous shit its spilling out your ears......
Feeling defensive much lately?Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
Go back and read the thread.
I have nothing to be defensive over as I have no dog in this fight. But its obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
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Originally Posted by gonehuckin
His instructors:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
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Isshinryu about a year
Dragon Sen-I for about a year. (Grappling, falls, breakfalls, throws, etc)
Both are taught in the same class. Isshinryu on Thursday and Seni on Mondays.
Mondays are more intense however both nights focus on tradition and sport fighting as well as street fighting.
I picked it because I have know the master for a long time and decided to try it. Took Tae Kwon Do as a kid and was not really impressed with it.
Somehow I doubt that. I've never seen a post from you that would label you as an idiot. So that means that you likely have some MA training, otherwise you wouldn't be commenting on my posts. Most MA schools have to market themselves on image and most martial artist's I have known rely on that image to validate their training since they have never used it successfully in an uncontrolled environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
If my views on martial arts conflicts with your view of your own training then you do have a dog in this hunt.
So, do you have any training?
Is that^^^all you've got? Surely you can do better than that?Quote:
But its obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by Rasputin
:fuckyou::cool:
Rubicon makes a good argument.
The purpose of the martial arts is to defeat your enemy.
wow,
this thread is a lot more entertaining than I thought it would be...
I absolutely have training. And a lot of it. Many styles from Savate to College Wrestling to BJJ. And recently MMA for only a short period of time. However, currently I don't do it for Self Defense or for the Sport. I haven't competed in five or so years. I do it because I like working out in an interesting and challenging atmosphere. But I do have a long history of learning about self defense for that purpose as well. Most of that training came from my father who was a long-time correctional officer. He spent a good portion of his career teaching Krav Maga and Kali based defense methods to new recruits. There is a very specific reason that they train using these forms. Its because they work. They are paid to win, regardless of the situation. So when you say that you train in the "ancient ways" because it teaches you to groin bite, I can just picture you in a situation where thats your only recourse. Maybe as a prison bitch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
I have used my training in the real world on multiple occasions. And the most important thing is the ability to remove yourself from the situation. Eye Gouging, Biting, Fishhooks, ect. are certainly not off limits but you generally can't train it and you're better off learning modern ways to defend yourself. So yeah I'm laughing at you. And no, I'm not going to heal hook a guy on a bar floor.
That's a good one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubicon
That's not what he said - that was in response to the supposed "No Rules" of MMA.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
If you look at any video of Wing Chun you'll see that's exactly what they do.Quote:
I have used my training in the real world on multiple occasions. And the most important thing is the ability to remove yourself from the situation.
Once again, he didn't say that -- you inferred it.Quote:
Eye Gouging, Biting, Fishhooks, ect. are certainly not off limits but you generally can't train it and you're better off learning modern ways to defend yourself.
Now to Rubicon: If it's superior to BJJ or Muay Thai why don't more people use it in MMA style competition... or do they and I just have no idea? (I don't really watch it - my "knowledge" comes from you guys posting about it.)
Buttfuckin = butthert yet again.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonehuckin
If I'm not mistaken, Rubicon ain't a dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasputin
Rubicon is a dude.
No he definitely refered to those as ways in which he his training to defend himself and win a fight. He said he's training "no rules" and he refered to those as some examples of "no rules".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
The answer to why MMA fighters use BJJ/Grappling and Muay Thai is because they are as offensive and aggressive as they are defensive. Self defense arts train you to remove yourself from a situation. MMA awards offense and defeating the other person over defending yourself. Both have there place. That being said, its not completely black and white. Many of the martial arts are spawned from each other depending on context.