Reuters does not drug test, yet another reason why I heart my employer.
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Reuters does not drug test, yet another reason why I heart my employer.
I smell a story...
dat's sum funny chit right der...Quote:
Originally Posted by fez
It's totally illegal to pick and choose who you want to piss test for random testing. I worked at a company where they had me research doing random tests and when they found out that they would have to test the mormons who worked there as well as the people they actually thought were using drugs, they bailed on the whole plan because they didn't want to waste money testing people they weren't worried about. You can have a policy that requires drug testing after an accident or before hiring or something like that, but you can't call it random if it doesn't include everyone, including management.Quote:
Originally Posted by fez
I'm not saying everyone does it the right way, but you do have to have a written policy about how random testing is done, how people are selected, and all of that.
It is. There were some real hot-shit research engineers when I worked there. A few toked.Quote:
Originally Posted by YetiMan
One of them was widely recognized as the foremost authority on the planet on 802.11g networks.
Yeti is right dude, time is short. Start drinking 100% cranberry juice (from Wild Oats or someplace similar) right now. Alot of it. Like alot alot. The Niacin will work too, just don't be alarmed when you turn bright red and start itching. If you can get to a head shop you might want to get the 20 minute STAT pills. They come in a yellow bottle. Take them in the morning (along with your Niacin and B-12) and drink a shit ton of water. Then make sure you piss like 6-7 times that day before you go in, just make sure it's NOT YOUR FIRST!! You can drink some Mountain Dew to put the color back in too
hope some of this helps, good luck. Ridiculous that you could go take your test piss drunk and no-one would give a shit, yet a little bit of the heathen devil weed.....
yeah, i dont know what the 'official' policy actually was or what was legal, just know what we (and some of our mormon co-workers) observed.Quote:
Originally Posted by altagirl
i believe ray peedQuote:
Originally Posted by altagirl
drink water... hot tub.... drink water.... sauna... repeat as much as you can take.
Sweat it out and drink as much as you can take before your test... on top of any "other" remedies your doing.
That is a complete and total bullshit argument. We have convinced ourselves that everything is capital and has to be formed as such. This was never the intent and has gotten perverted over the last 25 years or so (mostly from the Reagan Years).Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsy
The guvment yells and squabbles about getting more jobs out there and that we are to be productive tax paying members of society. Choosing to work or not to work is as much of a strawman as saying "well you pay to get your car fixed at the mechanic, whhy don't you want to pay your medical bills?" It is not a real choice for the majority of people. And corporations have managed to turn the US into a fiefdom.
You want to smoke, fucking smoke up. The residuals are no greater than a drinker's hangover. And noether of them, boozers or stoners, should be doing either on the job (unless your job calls for entertaining or such).
Drug tests = BULLSHIT. And I don't even smoke MJ.
Ive been taking at least one drug test a month for the last 9 months. What I have learned is that with my metabolism I can smoke 4 or 5 days before a test and pass without doing anything special as long as I only smoke once or twice a month. This has been great because not only do I not spend a bunch of money on weed, my tolerance has plummeted and I can truly enjoy smoking a bowl. During the Super Bowl however I smoked at least 4 blunts so before my next test I drank about 120 ounces of water and lemonade and peed crystal clear, I passed.
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Originally Posted by Cliff Huckable
You mean like the freedom to not hire someone who engages in illegal and potentially performance affecting behavior? Or the freedom to make another person act in a manner which benefits you, to their detriment?
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Originally Posted by irul&ublo
THE
FREEDOM
TO
CALL
YOUR
OWN
TIME,
YOUR
OWN
TIME!
Jeez, where do you work?Quote:
Originally Posted by crstlextrm
Put your bong down for five minutes and you'll see that things operate differently here whether we like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cliff Huckable
The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the usual method for testing for dilution is looking at your creatine levels. You can jack those up a little bit by getting a supplement.
That, and lots of water = pass. I'm sure cranberry doesn't hurt either.
Go into the test eating a poppyseed muffin....
You still haven't addressed how this works. Are you proposing a law that forces companies to hire stoners?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cliff Huckable
THC is stored in the fatty part of the brain. You can't just "sweat it out". lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SurfTheEarth
There's a reason it stays in your body for 30 days.
Also, drinking water doesn't work because it "flushes you out", it just dilutes the thc traces in your urine so much that it is undetectable.
exactly. that's why time and exercise are the only true ways to flush thc out of your system. all the rest are ways to dilute, mask, or otherwise hide the thc.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
I don't. I think drug testing should only be applied in ways that identify actual risk to the employer or public, and do not invade the privacy of the employee in their off hours unless that invasion is for good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cliff Huckable
Or in other words, I think random blood testing for pilots, truck drivers, forklift operators are all good ideas, while I think checking to see if the guy in plumbing at Home Depot smokes some ganj with a joke of a test is utterly retarded. If the drug testing has a valid purpose, we should do it in a way that can't be easily defrauded.
It gets a bit more complicated because insurance is involved. How do you argue that insurers/employers shouldn't deny coverage/jobs to individuals engaging in high risk behavior? It isn't settled just how much right your employer has to invade your privacy. Can they tell you not to smoke cigarettes? Some have. Why should I, as an employee, have to subsidize the healthcare of other employees with a cancer-stick habit who increase our group plan rates?
I don't know a single Silicon Valley software or hardware engineering firm that tests for drugs, except the defense contractors that are federally required to.Quote:
Originally Posted by YetiMan
As far as the pro-corporate testing argument, since when do corporations get a license to be law enforcement agents? If a corporation said "We send private corporate security to search the houses of all prospective hires for contraband", that would be unquestionably illegal and everyone would be up in arms. A piss test is no different.
Personally, I have always refused to take any job that involves a piss test.
Me too, Spats.
I did once. Arrived to find the place full of hardcore stoners. I found it mildly amusing that the test was that useless. If we are going to test (and I think we should test people in certain jobs) we should probably not just waste a bunch of money obscuring the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spats
Whoa, this shouldn't go unquoted. That some funny chit right der FezQuote:
Originally Posted by fez
I played that game for a long time. It's basically cost me 10 years toward retirement and I get to go to work and be supervised by people who started in my field years after I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spats
If you're lucky enough to work it out that's awesome, for the rest of us... :nonono2::nonono2::nonono2:
I tell you. one of these years enough will be enough and I will leave this messed up country and never come back.
I honestly do know of some great real estate opportunities in the Sacred Valley, Near Cuzco.Quote:
Originally Posted by YetiMan
Damn, I wish there were great skiable mountains around Cuzco.
meh. It all depends on the job. I'm pretty happy that I am somewhat confident that the guy I'm walking past 5,000 feet underground operating a 12 foot wide machine in a 14 foot wide area isn't tripping fucking balls.
I bet your job would be a lot more interesting if he was, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_McPoser
If the tests actually detected impairment, that might be a valid concern. However, they do not, so piss testing makes you no safer.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_McPoser
All a piss test tells you is whether someone smoked pot in the last several weeks. Cocaine, heroin, etc. are all out of your system in a day or two, and psychedelics and alcohol aren't tested for at all.
What would actually make workers safer is ditching all the piss tests, but making them take an impairment test each morning before operating heavy machinery, like those "Simon Says" ignition interlocks that get put on drunk drivers' cars. It doesn't matter why you're impaired: whether you're tired from no sleep, hung over, stoned, drunk, or tripping, if you can't operate the interlock, you shouldn't be operating the machinery. For that matter, you shouldn't have driven to work.
Hmm, so, drug test are :
1- An obvious infringement of one's liberties but for very specific dangerous jobs. (from a moral stand point anyway, if not according to US contract law)
2- Easily fooled or contourned.
This is brilliant.
They should give IQ test instead.
LOL. Truly hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by fez
"Dilution is the solution to your pollution"
~Dr. Robert Czarney
Head Chemist
Navy Drug Lab, San Diego
May 2003
Some of these companies test people because they have a moral stance on the issue. That's their right even though I don't agree with it. Most companies test to protect their investment in an employee. An employee that has a risk of health problems, addiction/mental health problems, or unproductivity is a bad risk. The company has the right to choose. I think some people get so upset about this because it puts them in a situation where their belief that they don't have a problem is challenged openly. I think that if drugs or alcohol affects your lifestyle negatively then you have a problem. If you're called out on that and it pisses you off then I guess you are having some cognitive dissonance about your issue. I hope this guy passes his drug test because it sounds like he is a victim of circumstance.
If I had to give regular Urine Samples I'd be sure to eat a shitton of Asparagus beforehand.
And you too fail to answer the question - why should you, or the anyone, decide who and how I hire people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
The Anyone is a powerful MOFO.
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Originally Posted by bagtagley
BWAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAHHHHHAAA!!!! Thanks bagtagley.
Aren't you already bound by a numbers of rules ? re race / gender discrimation, certifications / graduations requisite, that kind of stuff ?Quote:
Originally Posted by grrrr
You're not really free in your selection process, aren't you ?
Good thing law firms don't test. :)