FYI: I'm still waiting to get mine from FedEx. (DIA wasn't the only thing the storm F'd up) Anyway, The tracking page says that they are 11lbs.
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FYI: I'm still waiting to get mine from FedEx. (DIA wasn't the only thing the storm F'd up) Anyway, The tracking page says that they are 11lbs.
Anybody ever try touring with reverse camber fatties? I'm getting some Praxis next week, and i'm not sure what bindings to use. The Sollies would obviously work great, but my freerides would offer quite a bit of backcountry bliss. Although they may be heavier on the uphill (lots of snowload, regardless of ski weight), I'm sure deep pow and breakable crust would be a treat on them.
My main question is how much additional tortional force are folks feeling due to the width under foot. Would the freeride undergo too much twisting? The again people are teleing on these which blows my mind- the amount of slop in a tele system would be much more.
your question has kinda already been answered when people ask about AT bindings on Spats. People do it and it works, but its definitely not ideal for skinning. The real benefit to mounting AT bindings to boards like that is that you can then use your vibram'd AT boots to hike to stuff. I know some folks use AT boots in alpine bindings, but its definitely not ideal....although Im still interested to hear of people using them with the new solly 914s with the moveable metal AFD and toe height adjustment.
unless you're an exceptionally strong or heavy skier, the little bit of flex in the binding isnt going to hold you back. The flex issue with AT bindings always seems to get blown out of proportion. AT bindings are also most definitely not for everyone, but the do work quite well for many folks.
search for folks asking about spatulas and freerides and posts by upallnight aka UAN.
Scarpa Tornado Pro would be a good solution if you want the bootpack-ability of AT boots and alpine binder compatability. Vibram soled, walk mode, and DIN rated. It might not have as aggressive a tread or as much rocker as an AT boot, but it should be a decent compromise.
I reserved a pair of Praxis and plan on mounting them with Naxo21s. I'm sure there is going to be a ton of flex in walk mode, but since I only plan on touring with them on soft skin tracks, I think it shouldn't be much of an issue.
Did I see a somewhat thrashed pair of these inside Elite Feet at Squaw Creek the other day? Good sized core shot near the edge. It was a reverse camber ski for sure, but I didn't notice a logo/name/brand I could recognize. I was in dropping off a board and messing with my boots and saw a pair in the back room against the wall.
FWIW... The Praxis is not just a redone fatter spat, the tip shape is quite dfferent.
[QUOTE=gunniride;1053595]Anybody ever try touring with reverse camber fatties?
Not sure about the torque thing but here's a thread I started about touring with reverse camber skis. hope it's helpful.
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=59488
I've been skiing/racing for 21 straight seasons and I can say with 100% confidence that there is no other powder ski out there that matches the Praxis (for me at least)... I've skied the pontoons and they are not half the ski...too soft for me!!!! The steeper and gnarlier the terrain the more they shine!!!! They are good in the trees and very turnable but if you let em run they are amazing....built for Alaska!Quote:
Originally Posted by BakerBoy
Pechelman and Jerr -
Thanks for the good contacts and links. UAN looks like the expert in this arena. I read several threads that agree with my thoughts on width/snowload for these boards, making it sound like it just isn't worth it.
Looks like I'll probably mount them with Sollies and perhaps try the old heavy metal now and then. Seems to me if there was a light reverse sidecut/camber ski that wasn't so big it would be good for touring, for the sole purpose of difficult backcountry conditions (breakable crust...).
I'll stick to the great compromise of weight to float with the sugars/freerides for now.
With any luck the Praxis will be mounted for a New Years trip to Silverton- a good testing ground indeed!
You've saved me an extra set of holes in a new pair of skis- thanks
Check out the Lotus 120 for touring. It sounds like exactly what you are asking for in touring.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunniride
the more I think about it, the more I want those skis or 193 EHPs next year with dynafits...that is unless something else comes along to confuse meQuote:
Originally Posted by cpj.slc
Have you ever tried the Lotus 138?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyskied
I have not tried the Lotus but I'd definitely be down to try them.... I know there is a prototype Praxis Keith built that has sidecut underneath the feet....my homie who owns them say's there super sick!!!!! My friend n I noticed in a couple of the new flicks this year it appears there are a few riders with rockered skis that have regular sidecut!!! could be the next trend for big mountain riding!
I noticed a few in the K2 line like this. I wonder if they are going to come out with a rockered maiden next seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by johnnyskied
racked up some good powder days on the praxis skis last week up in oregon. wet powder, dry powder, crusty pow, wind-consolidated pow, cut-up powder at speed...the skis had the damp, solid feel i look for in a ski, but at the same time you could throw a quick direction change easily in the trees.
on natural spines i would sometimes throw them sideways, but for me that's not really what these skis are about. they track well at speed in soft snow, and mostly i found myself carving two-footed GS turns (tele and parallel), throwing in some short turns when necessary.
besides being lighter than spatulas, and fatter, another advantage is the thick cross-section. makes for a solid binding mount with normal-length screws.
I finally rode my Praxis at Loveland/Pass the other day. I have skied the Spatulas for 3+ years and have always thought they were the greatest pow ski out there. I have also skied the Pontoon had lower opinions of that ski, especially its softness and durability.
Mini-review: After skiing the Spatulas for years, the first thing I noticed about the Praxis was how light it was in comparison to the Spatulas. There may not be a huge difference on the scale, but they feel a hell of a lot lighter on your feet. This makes it more pleasant to sidestep, and dare I saw it, might make them even quicker in the trees than the Spatula. The Praxis are slightly stiffer than the Spats and have a little less tail. I did notice this on the snow and they took a little getting used to, but I don't think this will be an issue after I ski them more. In chopped up snow they kicked ass, plowing through snow with almost no vibration. Finally, judging from appearance they look to be very durable - thick sidewalls, thick edges. Overall, an excellent replacement for the Spats.
I've got a quick question. What's the minimum amount of fresh snow that these things work well in?
Ta,
They are enjoyable on any soft snow conditions. If it's a few inches of snow on a hard base though, that is not enjoyable. I skied them on an inch of fresh on a skied out backcountry line and loved them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerr
did you see my review at the top of this thread? i was surprised how well they worked on hardpack (not ideal, but totally workable). since mine are mounted tele, my boot midsole is about 2.5 cm behind the red line. perhaps that makes them parallel turn on hardpack better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Below Zero
Ahhhhhh...........I did, but what does that have to do with giving my opinion on the ski to jerr?Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
I know how they work on harkpack, I've skied them.
Does anyone have the weight of the Lotus 120, 138 & Praxis. I am interested to see how the weights compare as I was rather surprised how light the Praxis' are. Still contemplating Praxis w/ a FR for sidecountry. I will weigh 'em this week and post if no one else has...
i've posted that my praxis 185.5's are about 10.5 lbs per pair.
the lotus 138s are def lighter. i think someone posted they were around 9 lbs or less in the long length. and the dp website has weights posted, FWIW. lotus 120 is pretty light. some feel that as a result they get knocked around in weird snow.
for mostly BC use, and if you have the $$$$, i think the DP's are the choicest choice.
i'm rigging up some skins for the praxis this week...
The Spats are probably around 12 lbs eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider