Some ski weights...

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Originally Posted by gonehuckin

UAN-

I'm glad you're educating yourself, since you've had such a problem gauging the weight of things in the past. Good Work!!

-aaron

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Are you really still thinking about this?

Do you want to screw up another thread, make accusations that show you don't know what you're talking about, and wind up proven wrong in the end? What's your contribution?

You have an opportunity to gain respect here. Get over it, move on, and add the community.

Seems likek the only thing that would make you happy is to try to find some way to prove me wrong, as if that would make you 'right'. Sad.

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Originally Posted by upallnight

Thanks for politely telling me I am wrong! :)

Seriously...good info. I still think their method can cause some problems when extrapolating the weight to a size other than the exact one they measured, but it's the best effort I've ever seen at coming up with an apples-to-apples comparison.

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UAN.... I posted this in the other thread, but I'll put it here too, since there's some valuable info. Basically, our ski review is printing right now, and we made a few changes you'll be interested in.

In the Gear Guide last year, some skis were weighed here before (because they were in the test), and some in the Gear Guide were not (because they were just in the guide). As Tri-U said, that really meant the Goode skis and the Movement Skis. BUT... this year I enforced the rules a bit tighter, and everything in this next issue was weighed here at our office, by us, including the Goodes.

Second, you're right, the weights do not always scale up with length in a linear fashion. We usually warn people about that. Part of it is because surface area isn't quite a linear change, and part of it is because of the variation within the construction of a ski (which is pretty big). But to make everyone happier, this year we're giving both the weight/100cm of length and the straight up weight/pair for the size that we tested.

Finally, to make things clearer as to what size was weighed, we placed a "tested" next to the specific size that we had here. Also, we're providing the measure of running length of the ski this year as just another measure for relative comparison.

-Graham

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Originally Posted by 3pin

UAN.... I posted this in the other thread, but I'll put it here too, since there's some valuable info. Basically, our ski review is printing right now, and we made a few changes you'll be interested in.

In the Gear Guide last year, some skis were weighed here before (because they were in the test), and some in the Gear Guide were not (because they were just in the guide). As Tri-U said, that really meant the Goode skis and the Movement Skis. BUT... this year I enforced the rules a bit tighter, and everything in this next issue was weighed here at our office, by us, including the Goodes.

Second, you're right, the weights do not always scale up with length in a linear fashion. We usually warn people about that. Part of it is because surface area isn't quite a linear change, and part of it is because of the variation within the construction of a ski (which is pretty big). But to make everyone happier, this year we're giving both the weight/100cm of length and the straight up weight/pair for the size that we tested.

Finally, to make things clearer as to what size was weighed, we placed a "tested" next to the specific size that we had here. Also, we're providing the measure of running length of the ski this year as just another measure for relative comparison.

-Graham

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Graham--Wow. Those are all solid improvements. For the record, I think what you did in the past was an excellent effort and intended to be very valuable so that people could extrapolate weights to the ski length of their choice.

I still think there's quite a bit of value in that -- and although an approximation, it's better than any other method out there short of personally weighing all models & lengths.

Publishing the exact model/length you weighed is a useful data point. The interested reader could then know how likely the results are to scale linearly based on the skis sidecut.

That you are able to weight all skis (even one length) in house makes things much more consistent, and much of what we seek is weight relative to other skis of a class -- more so than absolute weights.

Anyway, what I mean to say is this is great stuff and I'm happy to read that you continue to improve your product. I've been a longtime subscriber to your mag, although I think my subscription is close to lapsing.

Some of us backcountry skiers still want proper skis and weight info isn't all that easy to find online, so...

Ski weight

4Frnt EHP 190, 2239g
4Frnt EHP 193, 2509g

Atomic Big Daddy 06/07, 2301g
Atomic Thug 193, 2414g

Blizzard Titan Pro, 2387g

Dynastar Pro Rider 186, 2305g
Dynastar Pro Rider 194, 2580g
Dynastar Pro Rider xxl, 2540g

Fisher Watea, 2331g

Goode Carbon 116 183 cm, 1560g

Head Mojo 105, 191 cm, 2381g
Head Monster 103, 193 cm, ~2,85 kg

K2 Apache Chief, 181 cm, 2282g
K2 Made'n AK 179 cm, 2277g

Movement Goliath, 2365g

Nordica Blower, 185 cm, 2332g

Rossignol B-squad 184 cm, 2243g

If anyone have any other weights, plese add them. B-squad Pro 194 for example...

From
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=76054

Skis

160 Volkl V1 20/20 2460 g
180 Alpina Cross Terrain 2816 g
177 Atomic TMX 3260 g
177 Volkl G3 3500 g
180 Atomic Heli Daddy 3640 g
165 Volkl Explosive 3688 g
178 G4 3808 g
179 K2 Public Enemy 4140 g
180 Volkl Explosive 4244 g
180 Atomic Powder Plus 4800 g

Bindings

Voile 3-Pin Mountaineer 425 g
Dynafit TLT Classic 822 g
G3 Targas 1264 g
Black Diamond O3's 1440 g
Black Diamond O2's 1532 g
Salomon 977's 2052 g
Fritschi Freeride(w/o heel shim) 2052 g
Fritschi Freeride(w/ heel shim) 2076 g
Tyrolia Mojo 15 2360 g

Salomon PS plate 728 g

Boots

Scarpa F1 3196g
Dynafit TLT 700 3576 g
Lowa Struktura Evo 3920 g
Scarpa T2's(non thermo liner) 4104 g
Dalbello Avanti V12 5284 g


was SHOCKED to find out how heavy the PE is. Heli Daddies are light(but we knew that) and I was actually surprised at how (relatively) light the Pow Plus is, I was expecting it to be more in the range of 2600-2700 grams per ski

Some unmounted weights I measured:
Rossignol Scratch FS WRS 167 - 1650 g per ski
Scott P3 (06) 178 - 1734 g
Volkl karma (06) 177 cm - 1747 g

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Originally Posted by marshalolson

NICE WRITE UP.

and re weight a single lotus 120 with a fritschi freeride plus mounted to it is 5.9lbs (ie. 11.8lbs per pair WITH BINDINGS)

freerides = 4.5 lbs per pair, so the total weight of a 120mm waisted 190cm pair of skis is 7.3 lbs or 3299g per pair or 1649g per ski.

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Weighed last night:

Denali TT 28.5 (321bsl): 3lb 11 oz shell only with a real spoiler (1 boot)
Salomon Liner w\Superfeet cork customs: 1lb 4oz
Total weight 4lb 15oz per boot

Salomon X-wave 8 w\same liner: 5lb 8oz per boot

Bro 188 Soft w/med FR 05\06(no toe jam) 5lb 11.5oz (1ski/binding)
Atomic R:Ex 184 w/grey/ylw FR(no toe jam) 5lb 14oz (1 ski/binding)