I'll put my money on the cockroaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by MassLiberal
-Astro
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I'll put my money on the cockroaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by MassLiberal
-Astro
Way to hide your heads in the sand - the differences between the threat of WW3 and global warming are that a)global warming is a reality, not a threat; b)global warming is unlikely to cause a sudden catastrophic dispopulation; and c)individuals have both individual responsibility and capability to effect the outcome, even in some small way.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
i hear ya, i'm not trying to be all gloom and doom. but from a scientific perspective, it seems like some real damage is being done.
in regards to children, their not, as yet, my cup of tea. the world population is growing exponentially, and for that and other reasons(some selfish for sure), i don't feel the need.
i try and look at it objectively, as best i can.(it is summer, and i'm starting to twitch)
ha, I almost used that line but I thought better of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by grrrr
Not that you shouldn't, of course.
Yeah I know, rural america, sucking the lifeblood out of the city folk.Quote:
Originally Posted by cj001f
Damn that welfare must pay good, and with our high cost of living, everyone here is EXTRA dependent on welfare. :rolleyes2
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Originally Posted by city-data.com
1. Learn what exponentially means.Quote:
Originally Posted by byates1
2. Learn the differences between "their", "there" and "they're"
3. Don't go where you don't belong, e.g. "scientific perspective".
4. I'm totally fine with you having no kids. Really.
5. This is how it works, don't get in a huff.
cool, my first harsh response:D
thanks, i think i was responding to cirquerider, he made some valid points.
thanks again for breaking down my grammer, your correct on all points.
i understand this is how it works, cheers and smoke a dick, bitch:fuckyou: :the_finge
For those who think a meaningful reduction of greenhouse gas generation is within our grasp, please tell me how this will be done. All burning of carbon based fuels generates CO2, Your garbage and farts exude methane and lest just ignore the powerful greenhouse effect of H20, as you in the east suffer through a humidity soaked heat wave. The unilateral cutback on greenyhouse gases by the US, any individual State, or by Aspen Colorado is laughable in terms of the overall balance. And while the global warming theory is pretty good on paper and in some grossly simplified models; it remains a theory, not a proven fact. Regardless of whether you accept the theory, the abatement of anthropogenic sources of greenhouse gas is infeasible, while maintaining any semblance of the lifestyle you enjoy. We can start by shutting down the diesel powered lifts at Kirkwood, right?
There is only one reasonable answer: Get it while you can! Sell everything you own and become a skibum.
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Originally Posted by byates1
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Is that the best you can do to argue your point? Compare a city of 7,500 to a city of 3,800,000? You realize there are people in LA who pay more taxes than all of Winnemucca combined? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by P_McPoser
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yes, MeatPuppet is onto it. i try to imagine someday living off the grid and treading lightly...and following the snows...
as for climate change - and if anyone really wants to doubt that it's well under way, the (alarming) facts are all-too-plentiful thses days, from a preponderance of record high temps, coral reef die-offs etc, etc... this thing has unfortunately been set into motion over 100 years ago - and there may be scientists out there who'll shoot this down, but my understanding is that there is a 100year lag in the feedback between carbon input and the climatic effect, ie. we're experiencing the effects of the input of the early 20th century when the first cars were rolling out...and if we were to all wake up tomorrow with a vision of a sustainable world, all drop what we were doing and change course...we would at best be working to lessen the inevitable effects to be felt at the end of this century.
i wish the folks in the white house and their counterparts all over the world in the boardrooms and war rooms were as smart as monkeys. monkeys don't blow shit up and poison entire ecosystems.
i think the first and necessary step towards doing anything positive at this point is to take stock in just how badly the planet has been altered from the human life-sustaining balance we hope still exists. on a hopeful note, if humans could figure out how to stop killing eachother - running out of petrolium could be a blessing, but that's a topic for a whole new thread.
as always, i look foward to winter being cold and white, so this broiling summer weather won't appear to have been so ominous...
That would interfere with our current supply of Soylent Green.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_McPoser
Being gloom and doom is super convenient. It means you get to drive your truck guilt-free, and really, what's better than that?
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_McPoser
That's okay - "Urban Folk" aren't really PEOPLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by splat
And tomorrow's Tuesday - Tuesday is Soylent Green Day.
Better to breathe fresh cool air and see stars at night than choke on taxi exhaust and be blinded by light pollution.Quote:
Originally Posted by bklyntrayc
Different strokes for different folks.
You wouldn't be caught dead in a small town, I wouldn't be caught dead in a place with a population over 300,000.
Does that make either of us stupid? I'd like to think it didn't. But whatever.
I wonder how many of their employees are in poverty and on welfare.... Having ultra-wealthy folks in your city is a bragging point now? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by cj001f
With you on that... they'd survive a nuclear blast!Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroPax
Anyone remember the movie, "The Hellstrom Chronical"? Very interesting movie from the late 60's (early 70's?) about man/insects, etc. and survival. I'm sure it's not as great as I thought it was then, but it may be worth a review...
PS- Last winter in VT sucked because of all the rain... many feel global warming has already ruined winter there. I'm buying stock in Water Country!
I disagree. I think that the sun will crank out more solar wind as it evolves into a red giant, and this will push the earth into a wider, cooler orbit. The solar year will be much longer, and as a result, it will become financially easier to travel twice yearly to make the best of the northern and southern ski seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by MassLiberal
Can I get my American Optimist™ badge now?
But I reserve the right to thank the American Cassandras for alerting us to many other perils that we have responded to - not perfectly, maybe not even very well, but at least well enough to get us where we are.
BTW: Malthus was right. He figured only vice or misery (war, famine and disease) could keep the population down.
By "vice" he meant birth control. :D
Indeed! I'd thought about moving to VT to get closer to the snow (than albany)...but i must say, having grown up downstate (NY) in the late 70s - we had tons more snow in the winters down there than there seems to have been in VT lately...these trends oviously swing cyclically, but it does seem like the colder climates have been retrating northward in my lifetime.Quote:
Originally posted by BigDaddy
PS- Last winter in VT sucked because of all the rain... many feel global warming has already ruined winter there. I'm buying stock in Water Country!
i was in VT nearly every w/e last season - and it was generally rare to see much snow away from the ski areas (it rained/thawed after nearly every big dump) in albany, we topped out at having (a little) snow on the ground for the second day after a snowfall once. almost hard to believe that in 02/03 we had a deep snowpack non-stop from christmas till late march...
ps. yea, i remember the hellstrom chronical...especially the scene with the ants carrying - i think - a lizard.
Uh, last time I checked the population isn't exactly "down", but whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Witherspoon
hahaha, well you're off to a good start then.Quote:
Originally Posted by byates1
Too bad you'll never be able to teach your kids how to post, though. Oh well.
Touché, ice. & pardon my loose use of language. Malthus would've said vice would "restrain" or "check" population growth. World population growth has slowed, as cj001f subtly pointed out.
Still growing, true. And I would be at risk of losing my Gloomer status if I didn't note that the true catastrophe will not be caused by a ~1% annual population growth rate, which would just cause a doubling of human impacts in 61 years.
It'll be caused by a 10% annual growth in consumption, which will double our impact in a mere 7 years.
Then double it again. And again andaginanagin ... :eek:
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your both wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by AstroPax
MAGGOTS!!!
yes! the maggots will turn into shit eating flies and leave shit tracks over everything they land on.;) ;) ;)