Floyd Landis Doped?

This just in - Floyd Landis suspected to be an Argentinean.

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Originally Posted by philippeR

What's interesting is that the 17th stage is the one where Landis did an un-expected come-back after crumbling 10 minutes behind the previous day...

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For real? No way! When did that happen?

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Originally Posted by bad_roo

This just in - Floyd Landis suspected to be an Argentinean.

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Now you've gone too far you wanker. That's crossing the line. Piss the bloody hell off.

First off, testosterone is meh on the scale of cycling peformance enhancers. If I was gonna dope I'd sure as shit want some of the good stuff that would actually make me faster, not some steroid that would improve muscle mass and strength. Floyd was also cleared by the UCI to use cortisone to treat his hip injury. Oh yeah, anb fuck the frogs.

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Originally Posted by truth

Now you've gone too far you wanker. That's crossing the line. Piss the bloody hell off.

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Sorry it had be this way, Flod.

Grrrr........................I have huge hairy balls! And my career is OVER! Pending lab results. And hopefully a miracle.
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Originally Posted by robokill1981

For real? No way! When did that happen?

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:redface: Well, it now occur to me some of you might have been already aware of that...
Looks like there is a 5 pages thread about this stage.

This sucks. It's getting very difficult to take the sport of cycling seriously. What a shame for the riders who are clean--if there are any.

what was in his beer he drank the night before his epic solo win?

Fack. Please let this one be explainable.... PLEASE.

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Originally Posted by Flatlander#2

I doubt the UCI will find anything true, it'll be swept under the rug and moved along. If they said he was a doper it would ruin the sport. People would cease to even care. It's one of those well look how closely (wink wink) we checked. The tv revenues would collapse, most US sponsors and the support of which would disappear.

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I think you're wrong about the "swept under the rug" thing. They've been trying like hell to bust Armstrong for years-- this is small potatoes compared to the would-be fallout from that.

A good article worth reading about the effects of doping on a regular athlete, in his own words.

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Originally Posted by Cornholio

I think you're wrong about the "swept under the rug" thing. They've been trying like hell to bust Armstrong for years-- this is small potatoes compared to the would-be fallout from that.

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You are confusing UCI and the french press. UCI clears Armstrong each time he gets accused. The name's french, but UCI is based in Switzerland...

What's troubling--if Landis turns out be guilty--is that he thought he could get away with this. This suggests there was a chance he could have gotten away with it or you figure he'd never try in the first place.

it's a funny one. every tour stage winner and yellow jersey gets tested every day, so i don't think he thought he could 'get away with it'. i think that either it's a fluke (hopefully), or it's an angry athlete trying to get even after a disappointing performance (wouldn't be the first time).

Could be from the cortisone he takes, no?

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Originally Posted by Oakley website

Landis' condition is called avascular necrosis, which is common with this type of injury. "Scar tissue closes the blood vessels in the hip and the ball on the hip collapses," he explained, also confirming that he had an operation to ease the pain two years ago." He is permitted to take cortisone to help with the pain.

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Originally Posted by The AD

What's troubling--if Landis turns out be guilty--is that he thought he could get away with this. This suggests there was a chance he could have gotten away with it or you figure he'd never try in the first place.

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Looks rather amateurish, to dope with testosterone between stages, without proper masking products. That's the kind of old school doping you'd expect to find in lower leagues.

Flatlanders2, I don't think it will ruin the sport, not in Europe anyway, and certainly not in France. While it's true the french daily L'Equipe, whose parent company organize le TdF, has a personal vendetta with Armstrong, the french public never believed in a clean TdF. Because it had never been clean.
Racers were much more open about before, starting with the Pelissier brothers who, in the 20's, showed to journalist Albert Londres their collection of pain killers and cocaïne bottles.
What may piss people of it's the hypocrisy : Richard Virenque, the french racer central in the festina case of 98 was heavily critized and mocked as long as he kept denying the obvious, that he took drugs. As soon as he stopped lying, people were patting him in the back.

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

A good article worth reading about the effects of doping on a regular athlete, in his own words.

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That was an excellent read.

^ seconded. very interesting.

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Originally Posted by glademaster

Amen to that. I really hope this isn't true, as it would be a damn shame for the sport worldwide but mostly American cycling. I wonder what the definition of "abnormally high" is too, is there a realistic chance that he is just a ridiculously manly man?:confused:

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From ESPN: Under World Anti-Doping Agency regulations, a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone greater than 4:1 is considered a positive result and subject to investigation. The threshold was recently lowered from 6:1. The most likely natural ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone in humans is 1:1.

So, apparently he tested somewhere higher than 4:1.

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Originally Posted by Trackhead

A good article worth reading about the effects of doping on a regular athlete, in his own words.

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good read... thanks...

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"You want to be bigger? Leaner? Faster longer or faster shorter? More overall endurance? You want to see better?"

"See better?"

"Human growth hormone does that for some people. It improves the muscles in the eyes." He tried again: "So, what do you want?"

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...just changed my opinion of the bonds issue...

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Originally Posted by rideit

LANCE IS FUCKING DIRTY, TOO. Anyone who really follows this sport is most likely not surprised in the least. There has never, ever been a 'clean' tour. Why all of the denial?

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Yep, but after operation puerto you'd think guys would get off the shit. But it's still not too suprising given the past 10-12 years of cycling.

from AP:

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Arlene Landis, his mother, said Thursday that she wouldn't blame her son if he was taking medication to treat the pain in his injured hip, but "if it's something worse than that, then he doesn't deserve to win."

"I didn't talk to him since that hit the fan, but I'm keeping things even keel until I know what the facts are," she told The Associated Press in a phone interview from her home in Farmersville, Pennsylvania. "I know that this is a temptation to every rider but I'm not going to jump to conclusions ... It disappoints me."

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Cortisol and Testosterone are two hormones that counter each others action.

If the body was recieving cortisol shots(which are catabolic and tend to break down muscle) then wouldnt it reciprocate by releasing more testosterone(anabolic and builds muscle) to counter cortisol?

Also, they come from the same precursor...I'm wondering about the feedback relationship between these substances.

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Originally Posted by ICEHOCEY77

Yep, but after operation puerto you'd think guys would get off the shit. But it's still not too suprising given the past 10-12 years of cycling.

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Given that Operation Puerto has repeatedly accused riders who werent doping, I'd be wary of its accusations against everyone.

Wouldn't the good doctors who conduct these tests and who supposedly knew of his Cortisone treatment ("it was allowed") take these bio-chemical suppositions into account?