Difficulty adjusting to new setup, delta difference?

You can't go just on the forward lean numbers supplied by the manufacturers - the line from your heel to the back of your calf is not a straight line, someone has to pick where to "average" it out to figure out forward lean. You would think the same person figures it out for the 2 Tecnica boots, but that's not guaranteed. In my experience, I can ski a Mach 1 LV with no calf shim or a very thin one fine, I need a thicker shim (Lange WC or K2 shim) to feel about the same in the ZGTP even with the chip flipped.

That’s about the same as my experience having skied both those boots for a few years. Flex on the mach1 130 lv felt like a true stiff and damp 130. The ZG felt more like a 100-110 especially deeper into the flex.

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Originally Posted by gregL

You can't go just on the forward lean numbers supplied by the manufacturers - the line from your heel to the back of your calf is not a straight line, someone has to pick where to "average" it out to figure out forward lean. You would think the same person figures it out for the 2 Tecnica boots, but that's not guaranteed. In my experience, I can ski a Mach 1 LV with no calf shim or a very thin one fine, I need a thicker shim (Lange WC or K2 shim) to feel about the same in the ZGTP even with the chip flipped.

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Ok, thanks. I’ve only been on the ZGTP and Cochise. The ZGTP is too upright for me, the Cochise is fine - but that is with a thick Surefoot spoiler.

Since you have experience with both, can you put the Cochise 130 in comparison to the two others?

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Originally Posted by sf

Ok, thanks. I’ve only been on the ZGTP and Cochise. The ZGTP is too upright for me, the Cochise is fine - but that is with a thick Surefoot spoiler.

Since you have experience with both, can you put the Cochise 130 in comparison to the two others?

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I haven't owned a Cochise in a long time. If in doubt, the best thing is to stick several shims of varying thickness in your pocket and try each in turn on the same hill(s). You should be able to figure out which you prefer with a few runs on each setup.

So I tried to figure out the exact ramp angle of the boot board of the Zero G and the Mach 1 while in the Wardens. To deal with the high arch in the Zero G boot board (which is actually slightly present in the Mach 1 too) I made the little device seen below, so its measuring the overall angle from the heel to the toe of the boot board. I placed my phone on that while the boots were in the bindings and used a level app. To my surprise the ramp angle is almost the same, actually slightly higher in the Mach 1, about 4.5 degrees in the Mach 1 and 4.0 degrees in the Zero G.

So I'm kind of at a loss as to what my issue is. Maybe it has absolutely nothing to do with ramp angle or delta. I don't ski the resort much, so haven't tried the skis with the Zero Gs again, but actually do recall that the last time I skied the Bent Chetlers with the Zero Gs (before buying the Mach 1s) I felt this sensation a tiny bit, but just thought I was having a bad day. Maybe I've just become a shittier skier... Too much backcountry powder skiing...

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So I tried to figure out the exact ramp angle of the boot board of the Zero G and the Mach 1 while in the Wardens. To deal with the high arch in the Zero G boot board (which is actually slightly present in the Mach 1 too) I made the little device seen below, so its measuring the overall angle from the heel to the toe of the boot board. I placed my phone on that while the boots were in the bindings and used a level app. To my surprise the ramp angle is almost the same, actually slightly higher in the Mach 1, about 4.5 degrees in the Mach 1 and 4.0 degrees in the Zero G.

So I'm kind of at a loss as to what my issue is. Maybe it has absolutely nothing to do with ramp angle or delta. I don't ski the resort much, so haven't tried the skis with the Zero Gs again, but actually do recall that the last time I skied the Bent Chetlers with the Zero Gs (before buying the Mach 1s) I felt this sensation a tiny bit, but just thought I was having a bad day. Maybe I've just become a shittier skier... Too much backcountry powder skiing...

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have all your skis ground and the bevels set back to the stock bevels of the skis you like. Then report back. And I’m still on the fence about the delta in your clamps. I can’t ski a thing with delta that’s less the 8 or 9 and the boots make zero difference as long as they fit well. I’m 0% in the camp that changing your lean in your boot can compensate bindings. Physiologically that doesn’t make any sense. I can Jack the shit out of your heel inside a boot and it still doesn’t change your interface, just your balance to compensate and how much you have to compensate. Beaters that ski up right and with feet close together are a complete outlier. If you actually understand how to initiate a turn and engage a edge there is zero need for low delta. In fact it’s the complete opposite of how skiing is supposed to be taught

also probably why most of the bindings that are sold used on this site are beat to shit on the sides of heal pieces. Bunch of turn sliding idiots.