If you're open to 99 Evo has them at a good price. As does Ski Essentials.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
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If you're open to 99 Evo has them at a good price. As does Ski Essentials.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Saw it cheap here the other day and they have 22 M-Free 108 stock in 172cm and 182cm.
https://dougshoodriver.com/products/...ree-108-ski-22
Cool, thanks. Can get the Line Sir Francis Bacon at a fairly similar price, and I'm kinda torn.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
The SFB are much lighter, much softer, has a more progressive mount point and a tighter turn radius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
The M-Free 108 in the 182cm is still super surfy and fun even at lower speeds but a much more substantial and stable ski.
Thanks. That's about what I figured. Considering I currently use a Rossi S3 for everything, and love it, I'm not sure if I want "more" than the SFB.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
Pardon my ignorance, and I know the info is out there, but what does "more progressive mount point" mean? Both factually and in terms of the ski function?
SFB has a more symmetrical sidecut(tip width close to tail width) for easier switch skiing and a binding mount just 2cm back from Center. Like a wide, playful park ski for soft snow.
S3 was actually a fairly solid flex underfoot with softer tip/tails, nice weight and longer turn radius. Only 97mm underfoot so the MFree 99 would be similar dimensions but a bit lighter vs the wider but more similar weight MFree 108. MFree skis are much more similar to the S3 than the SFB.
Another ski similar to the S3 would be the 22 Faction Prodigy 2.0 if you see one of those on a deal.
PM me if you have any other questions so we don’t drift this thread too much.
I wouldn't sweat it - the OP's question has been asked&answered, so might as well help other mags as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
Also, your recommendations and comparisions are as usual spot on, or - they make a ton of sense for me at least :)
progressive -> more center mounted, aka skis that cater well to a more upright / modern stance (as opposed to more traditional skis where you drive them through (bending) the tips). So a SFB would be more progressive than MF108s like MF108s will be more progressive than katana108s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
And some skis are good at both - aka can be skied from a centered stance and through being driven - and as such are more versatile. I would assume that MF108s are more versatile than SFB, both in terms of how you can ski them and who they suit. SFB should be a ton of fun for the right skier, though I would not be terribly surprised if Vision 108s (heavily discounted on lineskis.com) or Blade Optic 104s are better/more suitable skis for most directional skiers.
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Originally Posted by noslow
Thanks to you both for this. I ski tele and haven't even purchased skis in years, and this whole idea of centered stance vs driven, upright/modern stance vs driving the tips, playful vs directional, are alien terms to me. I think I want a playful ski because I am looking for a ski that is easy to throw sideways, make every turn shape imaginable just by thinking "turn!", move from powder pocket to powder pocket without carving, but I don't ski switch at all (or get any air outside of a jump turn) so I guess I am fully "directional" and playful means something different? And as a tele skier I am used to being centered/balanced on my skis because I have to be, but when we talk about making a tele turn, driving the tips is a big part of it, so maybe I'm not?Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
So all of this has been helpful AND confusing. But the notion that the MFree is way more similar to the S3 is very useful!
ON3P Jeffrey is strong enough to get an edge and playful when you want
I know it has been mentioned in the other thread, but I really think the Rustler 10 is worth a look here. It does have a bit of a twin tip, but it really just a playful directional ski. Easy to turn either on edge or by sliding. Lots of fun and while it does have a bit of a speed limit, it sounds like that limit is still plenty of headroom for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Or maybe the new Hustle 10 if you want to keep the weight down--haven't skied them but I'm told they ski a lot like the Rustlers and I held them back to back and shape seems identical.
There are two versions that have the same dimensions. The current ones are heavier and reportedly slightly stiffer. The older models (which I have) come in like 150g lighter per ski. The extra weight is supposed to help with the speed limit (and maybe the weight is less important now that the Hustle is on the market).
Live in Whistler, ski a hell of a lot of trees.
The Deathwish tour does great in our coastal variable cement mixer. So much so that I picked up a regular Deathwish yesterday for resort pursuits.
Triple camber takes some getting used to, but if you’re coming from progressively mounted skis, it’s really just a matter of driving the shovels a bit more deliberately when you want bite, or hitting a more neutral stance when you want to release your edge and adjust.
I don’t think you could go wrong with either ski. I love the idea of having the same shape under me regardless of resort or touring, so a DW/DWT combo was a no brainer.
In a fit of irrational decision making, I pulled the trigger on these (182). Guess I need to find some bindings now.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
Not irrational, you just needed to get er overwit and these were the best candidate
You'll like those Dynastars
Awesome pick. Those skis are like pees and carrots, Forrest and Kenny, with Pivots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Great choice. Between the mfree, sfb, and DW I would of went with the mfree for you, especially in the 182. I have the DW and mfree. While there is a cult for the DW, there's also a decent amount of people who don't click with the triple camber so imo you would of been taking a little bit of a risk. Since you liked the s3 (~-7 mount), the sfb would of been a much more progressive mount point (~-2) and you may or may not of liked it. Mfree has a similar mount point and is one of the most loved skis on here, and the little bit softer flex on the 182 sounds like it'll fit your uses perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Thanks y'all. It just felt like a lot of things pointed me to these skis. While I am sure most or all of the skis recommended to me would work, this was the only one where the reviews and all the comments seemed on-point, nobody was saying "I'm not sure they will work for you". Every other ski had at least one piece of that. Couple that with what seems like a great price, and boom!
I know nobody cares that I tele, but I tele, so no pivots for me (which I assume are an alpine binding as I don't know them). Thinking Outlaw X.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hood26
Danno if you ever ski in alpine boots there's a set of DW104s at Luv you're welcome to take for a spin. Demo clamps take any boot.
Thanks! But I haven't put on alpine boots in 25 years and I don't plan on starting now.