Another quiver rounding thread (190 Gotama and ?)

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Originally Posted by descender

I really want a skinner version of the Gotama. Same exact shape, consutrction, tail, flex, everything, but about 10-15mm thinner throughout.

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i was thinking this the other day as well, id love this ski.

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Originally Posted by seldon

pussy :fmicon:

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I know I know. I guess I am not as extremo as I should be. However my excuse is that I don't want the LP to terrorize for my brand new reconstructed ankle :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by flabango

I will trade you the 186 LP's for AK Rockets(used 2 times) and Scream10's 186 (14din, rarely used and includes a 3rd stick). What kind of shape are the LP's in? Binders?

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LPs are in as new shape with Look p14s. Not interested in trades. I will get pics and post to ski swap sometime before the snow falls.

Flabango: What size Rockets you looking to dump? Kind of searching for a replacement pair for the fiance. Let me know and I might be interested in taking them off your hands. Also I am in SLC so no shipping issues. Everyone else can return to their regularly scheduled quiver thread.

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Originally Posted by descender

I know I know. I guess I am not as extremo as I should be. However my excuse is that I don't want the LP to terrorize for my brand new reconstructed ankle :biggrin:

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<-- LPs == 1 ski quiver. i get my ass kicked after lunch, when i get tired, when i feel like slowing down. but hooooooly shit they're fun sometimes.

I have to cast a "no" vote on the Karma. It all comes down to what type of skier you are and what you want from the ski (duh), but the Karma doesn't do it for me. I'm about your same height and weight and since you're on a pair of 190 Gotamas I assume you can turn your boards.

I was looking for a G4 replacement and the Karma is NOT the ski. The 185 Karmas will scare the shit out of you in high speed crud situations. Since they are a full twin, the ski feels really short-I feel like I'm on a pair of snowblades. Unlike the G4, this ski has a speed limit, and it isn't that fast. High speed chop skiing is asshole puckering with the Karma, whereas the G4 feels bomber stable.

Just my $0.02.

I'd have a look at the Mantis 777 from Elan - They're 87 underfoot but still slay the groomers, are nice and damp, and have full-sidewall.

Maybe in a 184?

I agree. I've owned the 192 Elan M777 for 2 seasons and they're AWESOME. Explosiv-style construction, but more forgiving-like driving a cadillac. Ski wider than they are due to their softness and dampness, but their high lateral stifness makes them an awesome straightliner ski that still rails and is fast edge to edge. VERY stable landing too. Can't say enough about them. Unfortunately I'm selling mine this year for a sled and getting some Gotamas :( Still don't want to say goodbye to them, but I spend 120 days backcountry and 2 days resort. The G4s are also awesome, but more of a handful when you're tired.

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Originally Posted by addict

I spend 120 days backcountry and 2 days resort. The G4s are also awesome, but more of a handful when you're tired.

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120 days backcoutry? How the hell do you pull that off? Do you work as a guide or something?

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Originally Posted by descender

Hmm.... so the Karma’s are a bit mediocre and boring?

I really want a skinner version of the Gotama. Same exact shape, consutrction, tail, flex, everything, but about 10-15mm thinner throughout. The Matra is close, but it may be more of an ass-kicker in the tail like the explosive is/was.

Any 85-90mm straight-ish, medium flex, wood core, semi-twin, all mountain skis out there?

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going through old threads thinkin about skis this year, is the mojo 90 this ski, or closer than the karma is? this years PE?

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Originally Posted by Altoid Brad

My everyday work ski has been the Blizzar 9.2 188s - damm awesome ski but they stopped making them after one year.

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Blizzard Titan Nine - 188cm, 92 waist, heavier & stiffer than before - added a layer of metal and a beefier core this year - they run a limited quiver of molds so 181 has an 82 waist (weird)!!
Seriously, iM85...186cm...mmmm luscious....get 'em!!

becaseu someone mentioned the Elan M777, i though i'd copy/paste from my other post:

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Originally Posted by ncsears

in case you are sitll looking:

i've got about 20 days on the M777 184(?)

All at Alta, but during a bit of a dry spell last year (believe it or not). soft good playful snow, but we didn't get a big dumping. Just enough to keep things fresh.

I am 5'11" and weigh 165-170.

i am a strong fast skier, and when i don't like the terrain, I tend to speed up, sit back and blow through it rather than pick my way through.

the ski is a bit flexy (lest say low medium flex) and crushes the chopped powder. I mean you can rail turns in the bowls. this is certainly where the ski shines. High speed, off piste, chopped snow. not too much to say here, except it's very very fun to ski on.

the tail of the ski is long and it's pretty flat back there, so in the trees, it;s not great, but nothing a little work won't solve.

on piste, the ski works very well for being 84mm. At first, you willl feel that the ski doesn't hold an edge too well, but learn to apply a little more than usual pressure on the inside front edge and the ski will suddenly grab... even on hard pack. basically the sweet spot of the ski is not directly under foot, but a bit forward. this works very well off piste when there is alot of snow push around.

You certainly won't be pulling any super sharp and quick edge to edge turns though.

even at very very high speeds, the ski is stable. it has a bit of chatter up front, but adapt by edging a bit more and skiing off the balls of you feet and in will be great. if you are looking for a ski to rip off piste and then get you back to lift with no problem, this is a great choice. Certainly has no maximum speed like so many mid-fats. you can haul if you find the sweet spot.

of the skis i have recently been on, it's the best by far. (G3, Seth Pistols, M777)

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I have been skiing the 182 salomon scrambler..super versatile 88 under foot 118 up front..also have a Lab swallowtail and of course, Spats!