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I mean it is true that you don't owe anyone anything, you don't owe the world anything - it's not even a logical statement to say that you owe the world anything. Even if you had children you could argue you don't owe them anything, it's a value choice at the deepest level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
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Originally Posted by thejongiest
Yeah, definitely a personal choice, and as long as you understand the choices you're making and are honest with partners/family about it - then you've done what you can. It's still a bit selfish, but show me a human that isn't selfish in some dimension and I'll be shocked.
I would never make those choices, but I won't judge those who do, as we're all wired differently and on our own journeys.
I really enjoyed the film, although I knew the ending within minutes and I had never heard of him previously.
For some people not pushing themselves as far as they possibly can is akin to a fate worse than death:Quote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
“People are constantly asking me how I ‘let’ Shane do what he did,” she says. “It just floors me. To me, it would have been like putting an eagle in a cage – a tiny cage.”
-Sherry McConkey
Now available on Netflix.
https://www.netflix.com/title/81500204
14 Peaks was not quite as good but also worth watching if you’re into seeing dudes do superhuman stuff in the mountains - with a happier ending.
Holy sweaty palms batman. Speechless
Had never heard of him and knew nothing about this film going into it, and definitely didn’t see that ending coming. What an amazing soul, incredibly sad.
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Seriously same here! What a cliffhanger!!Quote:
Originally Posted by east or bust
Although I knew he had died before I watched the film, it was evident from the start he was going to die in the mountains sooner rather then later. While I have nothing against free solos, there is a point were no matter how good you are there are just too mentioanyn uncontrolled aspects in the types of climbs he was doing. Hell, some of those climbs would be sketch even roped.
That said, he knew the risks, chose to take them and in the end lost. His choice, and while I am sad for family and friends they all knew what he was about. Sherry McConkey pretty well summed it up.
This is definitely on of the best alpine climbing films out there. Anybody else remember the original "Solo" from the early 70s???
While neither one is "safe" there's a big difference between free soloing a frequently climbed solid rock route on granite or sandstone (ala Honnold) and soloing technical routes in the high alpine.
In music it's said that the amateur practices until they can get it right. The professional practices until they can't get it wrong. Seems like that would apply to climbing and free soloing.
Finally watched it and yeah it was a really good film. I was prepared to be critical of him, because it seems to me that any talented climber can get away with this stuff for at least a little while if they are crazy enough, and many who burn bright have died just as quickly. But he won me over despite that, just because of his demeanor. Kind of ironic that he died climbing with a partner after all that dangerous soloing. RIP
Just watched on NetFlix. Had no idea about this guy's story. Not into rock climbing but always in awe of people who do it. I usually end up getting sweaty palms watching them hanging from thousands of feet up with nothing but hands and feet to prevent certain death. Quite a remarkable movie. I couldn't help but think that his brain was wired differently. And reading his blog to realize that he could actually experience fear. He never showed any in the footage which was mind blowing.
Finally saw it - his ethos and accomplishments are truly inspiring in terms of on-sight solos, but it's clear that continuing on that path would eventually kill him just from the dice coming up snake eyes at some point. Definitely wish I had followed more of him while he was alive. He had a really wonderful perspective on the mountains.
Spoiler alert! - I actually didn't know the guy was dead when I started watching it. But I wasn't surprised that he ended up dying. I couldn't help but think while he was climbing one of those giant pieces of ice in Canada that at some point one of those things was just going to break off, and that's all folks. Still he lived quite the life while he was alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by schuss
First, it's a stunning movie in and of itself. A work of art. I'm biased, as a friend was part of it's creation, but still.
It's amazing to have such good video of Marc Andre because it was so hard to get him to do that. To see the way he moves on rock/snow/ice is shocking for me to watch. He's almost mentally detached.
Finally, the movie felt like a eulogy from the first moment. I wonder if that was put in after he was lost in Alaska, or if Sender films could see at the time that this was not going to last. I need to ask, cause I really want to know.
Marc Andre opened up new territory and new dreams. He paid for it.
This game of ghosts.
Where is this from? the expression I meanQuote:
Originally Posted by EWG
It was the title of a Joe Simpson book. He also wrote Touching the Void. This Game of Ghosts is focused on his climbs but also the relatively astounding death rate of English climbers in the big mountains in the 80s and 90s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angle Parking
That's right. I couldn't quite place it. Never read it but had it meant too especially during the hoopla surrounding the film. Too many books, too little time. And on that note, wish Marc-Andre had had more time. Wondering what mind blowing things he could have accomplished.Quote:
Originally Posted by John_B
Maybe it's just me, but Trevor Sexsmith, who posted on these pages, keeps popping in my head.
There's a runout podcast where they discuss making this, it's worth listening to it you're curious. I linked to it, but maybe in the other thread about the movie?Quote:
Originally Posted by EWG
He's one I think about reliably every call about when it snows for the first time. Not the only one who used to hang out here who comes to mind unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angle Parking
The whole thing was like watching a comet.
I just can't get over how he was working between ice tools and bare hands, back and forth. Or that he did his climbs on sight. It's fucking mind blowing.
Great description.Quote:
Originally Posted by EWG
"It is not the mountain we conquer, but ourselves".
Leclerc epitomizes this quote (or paraphrase depending on who you attribute it to). He conquered a part of the human condition few of us will ever approach. Yet, the mountains don't care how good, bad or indifferent we are and treat us all the same. He operated at a different level, physically, emotionally and technically. Ulli Steck comes to mind, maybe Reinhold Meschner, and very few others. Alex certainly on a mind control level, but I doubt we will ever see Alex approach that level of exposure (which I commend him for.) I wouldn't use the term "reckless" for Leclerc, and I am not sure what term to use, but he was definetely on the adge.
That kid is going places, can’t wait to see what he does next.
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Originally Posted by AK47bp
Too soon?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
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