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Super dry with very low humidity here in New England. We're still dry after last year's drought and a rather low snow year didn't help much. Burn bans went into effect here as soon as the snow melted last week. There may be hope for some rain next week.
I heard that Redding Smokejumpers had to request to reclassify some of their 26/0 positions to 18/8 because they were having recruiting and retention problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
I’m seeing it on the commercial side. No idea on residential. SW and central ID for me. Hearing it in W MT but no first hand knowledge there.Quote:
Originally Posted by CovertM
Seasonal fire fighters. If we are going to spend money we dont have? That is where we should be spending it. You should make serious money to do that.
Why why why does Colorado not do this like right now? With covid tourism looking to be at it's peak this summer, all the newbies that moved to the state and all the visitors wanting to fulfill their outdoorgasm by lighting a fire in the woods....just wait until those afternoon winds kick up every single day like they have been. This summer is gonna suck. We need to keep things simple here with regards to the messaging: No. Fucking. Campfires. Wording like "Stage II Fire Ban" means nothing to the idiots that start big ass fires from having a campfire. We need simple wording and stiffer fines and/or stiffer penalties for those who disregard this! Same goes for cigarette tossers. Mandatory 30 days jail time for violating. Yeah I know, dream on...Quote:
Originally Posted by evdog
I believe several Congress folks will be working to include some wildfire type stuff into the federal infrastructure bill, including landscape level ecosystem/forest restoration, infrastructure hardening, and workforce stuff (ie rx burn training programs).
It would be really great if there was an incident management team like structure and resources for post wildfire response. From my experience the USFS BAER teams pump out some reports, hand them off and say good luck! This leaves under-resourced and unsavvy locals holding the bag trying to navigate multi-agency coordination and mitigation to the new hazards. It leads to a lot of duplicated efforts and people reinventing the wheel on things that have been done in many other places before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Michigan_FireQuote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
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Originally Posted by hawkgt
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Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
I’ve thought about this some. First off, the fed agencies (which is what I was familiar with) abused the temporary seasonal hiring by keeping folks on that for years with no bennies or status.Quote:
Originally Posted by old_newguy
But the above quotes tell a story as well, and there’s a place for some temp seasonals on fire crews to let them get a taste and to check them out. My thought is that one season as a temporary, and then if they come back/are hired back for a second season, it’s time to give them a conditional appointment greater than 6 months a year, like a 13/13*, 18/8* or a 26/0*, whichever they want, so they qualify for bennies. And classify them as firefighters, instead of technicians like the feds do. It’d be cool if the firefighters got to choose their tour.
There’s certainly enough work to put them on year-round, but those 13/13 or 18/8 tours will give folks that need it or want it a break after the season and some flexibility to management. My favorite years were when I had a 13/13 and usually worked 8 months, then took time off, but got bennies and status.
* The number/number refers to the number of 2-week pay periods per year that they’re guaranteed work. OPM rules say you have to work at least 6 months (13 pay periods) per year to get bennies and status.
And @seano, retirement is awesome. Hang in there.
Funding and fed firefighter appointment lengths are all that’s needed to address this.Quote:
Originally Posted by knumbskull
It’s an interesting dynamic because there is a lot of noise being made about federal firefighters mental health, work life balance and financial challenges. Sort of reminiscent of the mid to late 2000’s when CALFIRE was poaching USFS left and right for better pay and benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
On the other hand, there is certainly a younger portion of the workforce that is fine working a years worth of hours in 6-7 months and then going to do something else. It stops working as soon as getting married and having kids enters the equation IMO.
Can you imagine being on a 26/0 IHC? Maybe it would lend itself to longer breaks between fire assignments for more down time or something, but that doesn’t seem to be the way things are heading.
I wonder if Deb Haaland is open to discussion on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by old_newguy
I mean that there aren’t enough resources in peak season as it is, so I doubt anyone is going to be taking an extended break as a matter of policy anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
It does seem like some revisitation of the 14 days on 2 days off policy might be smart from a resource burnout perspective. Like 3 tours and you get 5 days off or something.
I think it’s the extended seasons that are hurting folks - 1200 hours of overtime is pretty much a norm for IHCs now - brutal. Some recognition of that, good appointments early on, and allowing crew supes to extend breaks if needed would be a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by old_newguy
Back in the 80s, before the 14 day assignment/2 day off thing I worked a few 30 day stretches. Ouch.
There were a lot fewer IHCs then, but the weather wasn’t quite as weird.
I was a temp GS-7 in 1988 w 10 years of wildland firefighting(hotshots and engines) and BS Forestry and couldn't even sniff a 13/13. My last fire was Yellowstone that year. I missed out on all the rest of the fun.
See? That sucks so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopeless Sinner
It was brutal, didn't ski, didn't hunt, and had to do 30 years on the rockpile as punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
Whoa, hard to believe Ystone was over 30 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopeless Sinner
Look at how the Oil rig crews are managed. Seems like they have struck a balanceQuote:
Originally Posted by old_newguy
Silver lining?? Drought: Less fuel - earlier season but shorter?
Yes, I'm an optimist.
Could possibly be a pollyanna.
The way that generally works is droughts can bring lighter fire seasons to grasslands and deserts, but heavier fire seasons to timbered country. Less rain, less grass, but brush and forest floor litter gets drier and burns harder and of course the trees are drier and stressed and the crowns and stems ignite easier and burn harder. Convection-born embers cause spot fires more easily too.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
I wonder how long this ruling will hold.
Judge halts California development, citing wildfire risk
Along that same line, San Jose State scientists find the lowest moisture content ever recorded in the Santa Cruz Mtn chaparral
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/amp/f...e-16087019.php
Couldn’t even find new growth on the plants...
My mom drove me through there the year after. I was 12, it affected me, 7 years later I started digging line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
Heh. It affected me too. I’d gotten my ass kicked for weeks on fires in AK before I went down and gotten my ass kicked for weeks on fires in MT/WY.Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy