That had to be rough on the rescue crew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
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That had to be rough on the rescue crew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
It was....Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
Here is the draft text of the recommendation:
Draft Recommendation Proposal on Position Probing
Rationale:
Position Probing allows to quickly gain information about the approximate orientation of the buried
subject in order to define an optimal excavation strategy and gain head access more rapidly.
The application of position probing is recommended in cases where more information about the
position of the buried subject has the potential to minimize head access time.
While position probing is performed, the remaining rescuers already start excavation with a certain
distance to the expected burial area.
Apply a spiral probing technique, each probe hit immediately becomes the center of the next probing
spiral. Leave every probe with a probe strike in place and use an additional probe to proceed.
Continue until the outline of the buried subject is evident and adapt the further excavation effort
accordingly.
Wait...where’s the data on this?Quote:
Position Probing allows to quickly gain information about the approximate orientation of the buried subject in order to define an optimal excavation strategy and gain head access more rapidly.
Intended for a party of 4 or larger with one burial?
I'd love to see the logic of this as compared to conveyor belt shoveling, especially from folks a whole lot more experienced than me.
... Thom
These are recommendations for professional rescue groups...Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Thanks. I thought that was the emphasis but wasn't sure if it was being generalized beyond that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sfotex
... Thom
How many probes do they estimate (or better yet have found from experiment) it will take to make the outline of the buried subject 'evident'?Quote:
Originally Posted by sfotex
this seems like it would be a big number to me...Quote:
Originally Posted by nickinbc
https://vimeo.com/303429488
go to 14:30 for a detailed description
From the video:
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...based on a very special case scenario..."
Thanks, that explained it well.Quote:
...you have to very many rescuers on the field. It's not supposed to be used within this window of opportunity where you're fighting time against asphyxia time, so it is beyond 35 minutes of burial time...
OK, but in my opinion all this adds is one more complexity to a very stressful situation.
I am sure that in one out of 10 or 100 or 1000 scenarios this would be of value but if I am ever buried, please just dig me the hell up.
^^^ this. I can't believe we're even having a discussion about directional probing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not bunion
That video helped clarify it. From an organized rescue perspective, I still say this seems like it would be rarely used and offer little gain. I continue to worry about rescuers crushing the victims airspace.
That's the rub for me with some of these recommendations. When they DOT first launched the EMT program they discovered that EMT's were delaying transporting critical patients so they could do a complete patient assessment vs. load n' go. I worry that giving people more shit to think can delay the digging, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not bunion