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This. Maybe I should do less squats, yeah fuck that. Hate anything in my pants pockets. Wear the harness over my base layer slung so the beacon rides more under my left pec muscle about 2 ribs down. Just takes two quick down zips of outer shell and insulation layer to access it. It may take me a millisecond longer to access it than a pant pocket carry but I have yet to see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cravenmorhead
Chest harness.
Peoples jackets and pants have been ripped off in avalanches. I'm not aware of a chest harness being ripped off in an avalanche (not one where the person survived anyway). I don't want to be digging for you, and risking other people's lives, only to find your pants.
Phone powered off in pants right leg cargo pocket.
Are there any pants torn off survivors?Quote:
Originally Posted by reckless toboggan
Yup. Pants ripped to shreded on rocks and tree trunks (as far as we could tell, got sieved through a zone with blowdown) but buddy survived.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Don’t people ski naked anymore?!
I don’t give a beacon harness exposed outside of a base layer any better odds of staying on than my pants in an avalanche. I am also often in the situation of a radio worn on my chest so the beacon goes in the pants.
I’ll just have to start attaching it to my climbing harness by two pieces of dyneema.
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Personal preference. Just make sure you develop good habits around use. I'm a chest harness guy to I were pants not bibs and can't remember skiing in a base layer only. That said, I think a lot of harnesses suck. The old F1s with the strap system connected to the on button were the best.
For example, with my DSP, I can't see the light that indicated "on/send" when the beacon is in the harness. This combined with the beacons reputation to slide to "search" inadvertently and the fact that I was a long time Tracker user bugs the shit outta me.
Truth.Quote:
The old F1s with the strap system connected to the on button were the best.
On 3-4 occasions I have been ready to start into hazardous terrain and found that I had forgotten to on switch. Where I work now there are beacon checkers you must pass before entering avy terrain. It is an ingrained habit to get a beep from them every time you walk past.
Truth x 2Quote:
Originally Posted by Not bunion
It's so easy to get complacent about this.. and to forgo a group beacon test with a "you're beeing right?" I try and stick firmly to it being turned on whenever on my person (usually in pants) and not turning it off until I am absolutely not skiing again for the day.
Batteries are cheap.
those straps were weightless if you could keep them flatQuote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
saw my first checker ever for a lift load at your home hillQuote:
Originally Posted by Not bunion
i pieps strap; straps aren't bad, but the bag is ridiculously over engineered - to much material - imo
Tried the leg thing - no likey - and i have trouble keeping my pants on
Just be that guy. I'm that guy. If you don't like that guy, fuck you. Go ski touring with someone else. A true beacon check has huge safety benefits and is a great way to check everyone's attitude regarding group safety. This is hugely important in side country and informal group situations where people may have different protocols.Quote:
It's so easy to get complacent about this.. and to forgo a group beacon test with a "you're beeing right?"
^ Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Just the different dynamic of that side country situation compared to "a ski tour" with the trail head organization, faffing around and the opportunity to do one as you start out skinning.
faffing...salopettes...crumpets
We should probably all be better about trailhead beacon checks. Reminder for this season.
Like finger nails down a blackboard.. I hate that word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Just make it non-negotiable. Be that guy. If you get flack, find new people to tour with. My advise...the first person goes a 100'ish up the skin track and turns his beacon to "search". The rest of the group proceeds by one at a time. Last guy checks first guy. Done.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
If you don't have a ski uniform a chest harness is an easier memory device. It's also slightly more protected, or at least if it takes a heavy hit, so do you. I also think skiing down a debris field searching an avalanche is easier from my chest harness than it would be from my thigh.
I like that method. Not an issue with peeps I ski with, just habits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
we do that every mid-winter tourQuote:
Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Thigh?Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Front, waist, crotch pocket.. not a cargo or hip pocket.
I've not noticed any problem searching using that.
Actually the opposite..
Anyway.. The pros and cons of either are so minimal in the bigger decision making picture that it's not worth worrying about..
searching a beacon field? or skiing down a shitty debris field? I'm stating my experience with the latter - where having something centered on the body near the face was nice - and other things and it's just an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
I agree with your last line, I mostly think these arguments signalling for people who think they are cool for aping what pros do.
Pro Tip: Put a Koozy over the beacon if you keep it in your pants pocket so it doesn't wear a hole through the pocket.
Pants pocket: more secure when you're skinning in just a shirt (as is typical), more comfortable, easier access, one less thing and less weight. Can't imagine going back to a harness.
Buried?Quote:
Originally Posted by reckless toboggan
Face harness or die!Quote:
Originally Posted by kootenayskier