An interesting debate

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Originally Posted by splat

Couldn't you say the same about posting shots of big cliff hucks?
If someone says "Hey, it looks safe in that picture," then lands on the rocks, how can anyone else be responsible?
Didn't your mom ask/tell you " Well, if Tommy jumped off a cliff, I suppose you would, too?"
Some people have better reasoning powers than others. Disasters are inevitable, even though preventable to a good degree.
Luck is, well, luck.

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I would say a similar but not the same thing about cliff hucks, in the same vein as Cornholio's argument. The power is definitely in the hands of the individual but I believe that the media has a responsibility to educate if they are going to promote a lifestyle. Of course 30 minutes of digging a pit and doing rutchsblock tests probably wouldn't look too good on film.

The problem might lie in that if Tommy hucks the cliff and lands it safely, I'd probably huck it too, maybe just trending a little left or right of him to avoid his bombhole.

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Originally Posted by Ireallyliketoski

The problem might lie in that if Tommy hucks the cliff and lands it safely, I'd probably huck it too, maybe just trending a little left or right of him to avoid his bombhole.

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i'm following your thought process here but to expannd on it and put it in the now... what happens when joe beater follows you out to your favorite stash in the bc where you ski regularly during questionable days. the conditions are the exact same because he is there 5 minutes after you skied the line. you know there are certain places right next to your line that you do not want to venture because of the higher chance of triggering a slide (rollovers, thin areas, lack of anchors, etc). you will avoid these areas but joe beater doesn't know the difference between your line and 20 feet to the left. so this happens, now are you responsible for his actions?

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Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze

now are you responsible for his actions?

discuss...

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In the last few years more and more Hispanic riders are seen on Teton Pass. Stereotypically speaking the qualify as as a Joe Beater. If I am gearing up at the top and he is doing the same, then yes I would feel a moral responsibility to question where he is going. For his safety and the safety of those below him on the uptrack. If he follows me into the trees does he know to zig left at this tree to steer clear of the unseen terrain trap alittle further down? Probably not, and I would feel responsible if I ignored him and something happened.

If I am standing at the top of the same line, with no one else around would i feel responsible. Absolutely not. Why should I abandon my right to self determination because someone may or may not make an uninformed decision?

When I skiied the gut of Glory a few weeks back and on the drive down the pass I noticed a point release had covered my tracks, did I blame the unknown & unseen skiers who went before me? No I blamed myself for going to late in the day.

As far as this whole thread is concerned, I think that it is just plain silly to give out longitude and latitude for the simple reason that why the hell do you want to encourage others to seek out a good stash? Its great to share stoke and feed fires, but the last thing I would ever want is to draw a map so everyone can find my quick hit road run.