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11-05-2012, 05:46 PM
_Aaron_

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Originally Posted by natew08

Ok I'll be more constructive.

What evidence do you have for 'skiing lightly' being a safe avalanche reduction technique.

That is pretty common sense. Bigger trigger = more stress on the snowpack. That's why patrollers throw bombs and not snow balls. Its also common sense that if you're basing a go/no-go descion on "skiing lightly" you probably don't have much common sense.
11-05-2012, 05:46 PM
icelanticskier

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Originally Posted by Z

Not really an "avalanche-reduction" technique you would get taught in a course...The smallest things can make a slope slide or stay put.

this^^^^^^^^my point better conveyed.

rog
11-05-2012, 05:49 PM
icelanticskier

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Originally Posted by _Aaron_

Its also common sense that if you're basing a go/no-go descion on "skiing lightly" you probably don't have much common sense.

but if yer mid slope and the feel changes, yer not gonna change up yer pressure or technique?

oh, and that go based on "skiing lightly" is made with ones own level of comfort/confidence. all of us posting here are still here for a reason. a combination of good decision making and of course, luck.

rog
11-05-2012, 06:08 PM
_Aaron_

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Originally Posted by icelanticskier

but if yer mid slope and the feel changes, yer not gonna change up yer pressure or technique?

rog

Of course I am. I didn't say skiing lightly doesn't have a place (it does). I try and ski lightly all the time. That said I'm not going to drop in on something that I think will pop if I ski it hard and will stay put if I ski lightly. I know that I'm (or anybody?) not good enought to make that call with any sort of success.
11-05-2012, 06:11 PM
natew08

You could stop and proceed to your nearest island of safety. Nobody says you have to link turns the entire way down if you all of a sudden see shooting cracks and whumpfing that you have to keep skiing.
11-05-2012, 06:16 PM
_Aaron_

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Originally Posted by natew08

You could stop and proceed to your nearest island of safety. Nobody says you have to link turns the entire way down if you all of a sudden see shooting cracks and whumpfing that you have to keep skiing.

I'm going to play devils advocate here.

After you have reached your island of safety (provided there is one) then what?
11-05-2012, 06:27 PM
icelanticskier

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Originally Posted by _Aaron_

Of course I am. I didn't say skiing lightly doesn't have a place (it does). I try and ski lightly all the time. That said I'm not going to drop in on something that I think will pop if I ski it hard and will stay put if I ski lightly. I know that I'm (or anybody?) not good enought to make that call with any sort of success.

yes, but you are successful until you are not. maybe my risk tolerance is higher and i most certainly have trusted MANY "bridged" slopes with light touch turns. slopes skied safely and without incident are success stories. till they are not. we learn to avoid the not in our own ways on a case by case basis. courses/reading only teach so much.

rog
11-05-2012, 06:28 PM
icelanticskier

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Originally Posted by _Aaron_

After you have reached your island of safety (provided there is one) then what?

dig in and wait about 72 hours ;)

rog
11-05-2012, 06:45 PM
BFD

No offense to the OP. but the entire rest of this thread is worthy of the ignore function.
11-05-2012, 06:47 PM
_Aaron_

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Originally Posted by icelanticskier

yes, but you are successful until you are not. maybe my risk tolerance is higher and i most certainly have trusted MANY "bridged" slopes with light touch turns. slopes skied safely and without incident are success stories. till they are not. we learn to avoid the not in our own ways on a case by case basis. courses/reading only teach so much.

rog

True. Reading and courses only teach so much but what is learned from then cannot be forgotten simply because someone has gained experience . I think you might want to revisit the books though. Specifically the sections on rational and irrational descision making processes and how they should both be used in backcountry travel.

Eifher way your risk tolerance is way way higher than mine. To each his own.
11-05-2012, 06:50 PM
icelanticskier

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Originally Posted by BFD

No offense to the OP. but the entire rest of this thread is worthy of the ignore function.

the holy (old) man speaks. douchebag:)

rog
11-05-2012, 06:55 PM
icelanticskier

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Originally Posted by _Aaron_

Specifically the sections on rational and irrational descision making processes and how they should both be used in backcountry travel and every time you leave the house.

fify^^^^^^^. humans teaching humans, what a fucking merry go round/joke, LOL!!!

rog
11-05-2012, 07:02 PM
natew08

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Originally Posted by _Aaron_

I'm going to play devils advocate here.

After you have reached your island of safety (provided there is one) then what?

You traverse out onto a safer slope or even consider climbing back out if your options are limited.
11-05-2012, 07:03 PM
concretejungle

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Originally Posted by BFD

No offense to the OP. but the entire rest of this thread is worthy of the ignore function.

Hey, I posted the links and told rog to STFU but he can't help but cunt up an avalanche thread.
11-05-2012, 07:09 PM
icelanticskier

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Originally Posted by concretejungle

Hey, I posted the links and told rog to STFU but he can't help but cunt up an avalanche thread.

hey fuck you, i just spent the evening cooking, cleaning, taking care of the animals, and making sure things are damn near perfect for when my better half comes home from a tough hospital shift!

can't i play on here too?! multitasking. ahhhhh, tgrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!:D

shit she's home, gotta go bye!

rog
11-05-2012, 08:31 PM
Z

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Originally Posted by BFD

No offense to the OP. but the entire rest of this thread is worthy of the ignore function.

Agreed. Not sure how I got sucked in.
11-06-2012, 08:29 AM
Bunion 2020

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Originally Posted by Z

"Skiing lightly" is a term that is used, but not really for making awkward over-finished turns like in Rog's video. If I were to tell someone to ski lightly it would mean a few things.

1. That fat cornice entry sure looks like a nice drop, but don't hit and add extra stress to the slope. Don't even go near the thing.
2. Nice looking cliff mid-slope. Don't hit it for the same reason. No more stress than necessary. Smooth turns.
3. Don't fall on this slope please. Nothing fancy.

If I say that to someone, that's what I mean. If someone says that to me, same applies, but I also take that as a mindset to be extra careful/smooth/whatever you want to call it, and be suspicious of every miniature rollover, exposed trigger point, whatever. Really you should do that on every slope, but you know what i mean.

Not really an "avalanche-reduction" technique you would get taught in a course...The smallest things can make a slope slide or stay put. Couldn't HURT, right?

Early season skiing scares me more every year. Glad these guys are fine. Stay safe.

If I were to say those things to a ski partner I would expect them to say, "lets try a different slope".

But that is just me.

Carry on.
11-06-2012, 09:11 AM
icelanticskier

black and white, for many here, seems to be the only "accepted" form of conversation when discussing human factors and the decision to go or not go.

there's a whole lot of grey area including personal practices/management in between that i think is also very important to discuss here that isn't taught or learned from books.

rog
11-06-2012, 05:57 PM
Z

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Originally Posted by Bunion

If I were to say those things to a ski partner I would expect them to say, "lets try a different slope".

But that is just me.

Carry on.

Fair enough. Truthfully that's a much better way to go about skiing backcountry than this other bullshit we are talking about. Only ski slopes that you are confident 12 obese drunk texans could bellyflop down. That should be the take away from this stupid discussion.

I was just trying say that I've heard the term used alot, and I think it almost conveys more or a feeling about the snowpack rather than cut or dry rules. Or rather just reminding your partner to stay light and be aware. Means the same thing to me.

But there is still a big difference between you and your partner skiing down the fattest part of an open bowl and letting 6 fullfaces charge around in the rocks and hot tub 40 footers.
11-06-2012, 06:38 PM
Bunion 2020

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Originally Posted by Z

Fair enough. Truthfully that's a much better way to go about skiing backcountry than this other bullshit we are talking about. Only ski slopes that you are confident 12 obese drunk texans could bellyflop down. That should be the take away from this stupid discussion.

I was just trying say that I've heard the term used alot, and I think it almost conveys more or a feeling about the snowpack rather than cut or dry rules. Or rather just reminding your partner to stay light and be aware. Means the same thing to me.

But there is still a big difference between you and your partner skiing down the fattest part of an open bowl and letting 6 fullfaces charge around in the rocks and hot tub 40 footers.

No argument from me. I make my living opening terrain so that 6 fullfaces or 12 obese drunk texans could ski any part of it all at once. Such a pretty picture.:biggrin:

When it comes to skiing uncontrolled terrain there are no cut N dry rules.

Aside from that I find Rog to be an annoying windbag, but again that's just me.:rolleyes:
11-06-2012, 10:05 PM
icelanticskier

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Originally Posted by Bunion

Aside from that I find Rog to be an annoying windbag, but again that's just me.:rolleyes:

enjoy that trip bunion, time to take a deep look within............

rog
11-11-2012, 11:51 AM
Shadam

this is the TGR we've all come to know and luv ...

a seemingly normal discussion turns into a bunch-a-bitchin and name calling.

but seriously, many times I've told people to "tread lightly" but not for the entire line.
11-11-2012, 04:31 PM
icelanticskier

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Originally Posted by Shadam

this is the TGR we've all come to know and luv ...
a seemingly normal discussion turns into a bunch-a-bitchin and name calling.
but seriously, many times I've told people to "tread lightly" but not for the entire line.

hey, there's lots of different ways we manage our own risk in the bc. for some it's a simple conservative go or no go, which is great. for others, myself included, we try to see how we can make a go of it by minimizing the risk as much a possible, but still ski the good snow that elevated danger ratings oftentimes bring.

but many folks here, especially some of the "pros"(roll eyes here) want to throw their weight around like they have it all figured out and ridicule how some of us roll. they don't really know jack shit. ya maybe pro bunion has his living making control routes figured out, but the very inexact science of snow will always keep us guessing.

rog
11-12-2012, 05:50 PM
Bunion 2020

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Originally Posted by icelanticskier

but many folks here, especially some of the "pros"(roll eyes here) want to throw their weight around like they have it all figured out and ridicule how some of us roll. they don't really know jack shit.

I know Jack Merde, does that count.
:fm:.............................................. .
11-12-2012, 06:06 PM
flatNshallow

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Originally Posted by Bunion

I know Jack Merde, does that count.
:fm:.............................................. .

No. Jack is an imposter and Jacques is pissed.

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