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You say he's a gun owner like it means anything. As far as the bet, I'll be on as soon as you say "It's on". Go on a vaca, get some new teeth in Mexico or have a hair implant. Whatever floats yer boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
anyway, if you call a meal between breakfast and lunch brunch, what do you call a meal between lunch and dinner? Mines a waitn
Why are you guys arguing with Leroy? He’s like that fucktard congressman from OK, he’ll just obfuscate the conversation with tangential arguments. People’s rights are at stake here! We’re one step away from a totalitarian regime if we take their black toys away! Fuck those people that had their right to live taken away by some whacko with a gun!
Like I posted earlier, nothing will change in the US as long as people like Leroy have a voice
^^^ This. Especially the first sentence
ITS MUH RAWTS!!!. There it is. No rational defense... bla bla bla muh rawts bla bla. Lots of "rights" can and shall be infringed when too many people abuse them resulting in significant injury to the general public welfare We are clearly in that territory here. Stack the court with people who will roll back pre Hellier to interpret 2nd to REQUIRE STATE MILITIA (AKA National Guard) membership, well regulated.. to be own anything beyond an actual BASIC hunting gun. Full STOP!
Pence called it a "God-Given Right" yesterday at the convention. Okey doke.
Pence's God apparently loves a steady stream of innocent kids showing up at the pearly gates.Quote:
Originally Posted by ötzi
how does someone who doesn’t ski or do any other outdoor activities get almost 12K posts on a ski forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
Opinion: Gun absolutists don’t trust democracy because they know they’re losing
EJ Dionne Jr
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Gunned-down children don’t seem to change the political equation on guns. Neither do dead teachers. Are parents petrified to send their sons and daughters to school? Tough. I expect the next new slogan on right-wing T-shirts will be: “Arm the Kids!”
Speaking to the National Rifle Association convention in Indianapolis on Friday, former president Donald Trump didn’t go quite that far. But he did suggest that we “arm some of these teachers.” Former vice president Mike Pence similarly pledged to place “armed resource officers in every public and private school in America.” There’s big government for you.
That the Republican Party is now wholly owned by the gun lobby was witnessed not only by the eagerness of Pence, Trump and former Arkansas governor Asa Hutchinson to pander in person at the gathering self-described as “14 acres of guns & gear.” Other would-be 2024 GOP nominees — among them, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley and Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.) — felt obligated to bow before the gun worshipers by video.
The nonsense floated in Indianapolis — based on the idea that our national addiction to high-powered weaponry has nothing to do with America’s unique mass shooting problem — speaks to a deep ailment in our democracy. It has both partisan and (perverse) philosophical roots.
The GOP’s conversion to gun absolutism is the heart of the problem. But politics doesn’t happen in a vacuum. It often follows from cultural and moral innovations.
For roughly four decades, American conservatism has identified firearms as a marker of a manly rejection of urban cosmopolitanism and gun ownership as a right more important than any other. As DeSantis said in his video, the right to bear arms is “the foundation on which all our other rights rest” and essential to Americans’ “ability to rule themselves.”
“Why do Joe Biden and the liberals want our guns?” asked Gov. Kristi L. Noem of South Dakota, another speaker. “Because it will make it easier for them to violate all our other rights.”
It comes down to a variant of the old Maoist slogan: All liberty grows out of the barrel of a gun. When Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani told a White House rally before the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, “Let’s have trial by combat,” he was speaking for a sentiment that runs deep in the gun rights movement.
A particularly dramatic example of how opposition to gun regulation is increasingly linked to efforts to undermine democracy itself: the Tennessee House Republicans’ recent vote to expel two duly elected legislators for protesting against the body’s inaction on guns after the Nashville school massacre.
It was no accident that the two since-reinstated representatives, Democrats Justin Jones and Justin J. Pearson, are not only both young and Black but also represent urban areas — Jones is from Nashville, Pearson from Memphis. Republican legislators, in Tennessee as elsewhere, regularly diminish the power of the big metro areas through gerrymandering and state overrides of local control.
Republican legislators may tout states’ rights, but with many cities in red states growing into significant islands of Democratic influence (and support for gun regulation), local control is not part of the GOP’s program.
Undercutting the ability of voters to cast ballots is another habit of those who privilege the Second Amendment over all the others. As Politico’s Kathy Gilsinan reported, Tennessee’s election laws allow gun permits as voter IDs but not college student identifications. There is no waiting time to buy a gun, but citizens have to resister at least 30 days before an election. “It is absolutely easier to get a gun than to vote in Tennessee,” Democratic state Sen. Charlane Oliver told Gilsinan.
Our attitudes toward guns are often ascribed to our frontier past and a veneration of the Old West. But in truth, radical opposition to gun regulation is a relatively recent development, even in the NRA. Founded in 1871 by two Union Civil War veterans and a former New York Times reporter, the organization was initially devoted to improving urban marksmanship.
The group was long open to sensible rules around weapons, and the NRA helped Franklin D. Roosevelt draft the 1934 National Firearms Act and the 1938 Gun Control Act. It was not until 1977 that the NRA was engulfed by extreme ideologues. Our country, including the Supreme Court, thus embarked on a dangerous new path.
The good news in this story is that radical opposition to sensible gun laws is not embedded in the American character. It’s the product of an ideology that overtook a less dogmatic form of conservatism and seized control of a political party.
With Americans increasingly angry over the violence wrought by weapons of war in our schools, our banks, our shopping centers — pretty much everywhere we gather — the era of gun absolutism could finally be over, if the popular will on guns is allowed to prevail. But this depends on defending the democracy that so many, at the Indianapolis gathering and in Tennessee, deeply mistrust.
I skied three times this season, posted about it here, spent 18 + hours driving to do it, and kindly fuck off..Quote:
Originally Posted by ikonfreewasatch
Lol. He's really into ski forums maaannn.Quote:
Originally Posted by ikonfreewasatch
In Alabama, they apparently celebrate teenage birthdays with a mass shooting
https://www.wrbl.com/news/more-than-...tors-on-scene/
If only there was something we could do…
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/16/11702...rty-in-alabamaQuote:
Dadeville is a small city with a population of approximately 3,000 people. It's located about an hour's drive from the state capital of Montgomery.
At a press conference on Sunday morning, the Dadeville Police Chief, Jonathan Floyd, described the town as a "tightknit community full of wonderful people."
The superintendent of the Tallapoosa County Schools, Raymond Porter, said counselors would be at various campuses tomorrow to offer support to students — adding that kids will suffer the most from the recent tragedy.
"This does not represent our community or our children," Porter added.
The tally is at 20 teens shot at that event.
One day, gun folk are going to wake up and realize, “This firearm does not represent our community or our children.”
Now AC is "willfully ignorant"?! lol
The fucking condescension.
Fkna!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
Three whole days?
Or did gwynneth bump one of those to a half day?
Tennessee’s election laws allow gun permits as voter IDs but not college student identifications. There is no waiting time to buy a gun, but citizens have to resister at least 30 days before an election. “It is absolutely easier to get a gun than to vote in Tennessee,”
JFC.
How many dead would it take to justify a population having the right to defend themselves? 10 million? 100 million?Quote:
Originally Posted by basinbeater
Thats the thing is its not really just get rid of guns and all violence goes away, especially not in the long run. Ask the Uighers how thats working out.
The truth is you guys want to get rid of all guns even if it has negative consequences, including genocide and ethnic cleansing. Its worth it to you.
Yea, refusing to admit that while related and relevant to each other, suicide and murder are not the same thing and have overlapping but not identical causal variables seems to be ignoring that reality on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Its not even an insult. Its an accurate observation.
All the rights in the bill of rights are recognized as god given. They can be infringed upon, but are inaliable. This has been the meaning of the entire bill of rights since it was written.Quote:
Originally Posted by ötzi
You have the right to disagree, but don't act like this is some brand new absurdist take on things. its the traditional one.
Yea you're right, I absolutely am. If you're interested in reducing these numbers, it doesn't serve anyone to lump them together. They're related but do not have identical causal variables. Neither does murder overall and mass shootings. Most murders are drug related, and the next most common is spousal murder. Wildly different set of causal variables.Quote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
People who obscure these differences are more interested in their agenda than they are in compassion or solving or improving problems. At the very least, normalizing and justifying animosity and hatred towards those you perceive as different than you is absolutely not going to reduce suicide rates, quite the opposite seems like commons sense.
The truth is, violence, as a whole, has been on decline in the US and UK for the past 20 years, even though it took a jump during the pandemic and mass shootings are on the rise alarmingly fast. Overall, we are a more peaceful society than we used to be.
Murder and violent crime were both plummeting for 30 years before the pandemic. https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...-homicide-rate
The powers that be would rather keep us scared, hand wringing, and fighting amongst each other about which parts of the bill of rights we don't think are god given and can be thrown away.
OK, I'll let you know. Probably mid next week I'll disappear from this place again for at least a few weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cisco Kid
Enjoy your meal.
Yeah, if we enact things like background checks it's instant genocide. You need professional help.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
The observation is not accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
Refusal to admit suicide/murder are not the same — didn’t happen.
And ignoring the differential — didn’t happen.
Both acknowledged and deemed important to understanding the total gun deaths.
Nice sweeping statement…utterly speculative on your part.Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
As above: no obscuring differences — that’s your incorrect postulation again.
No justified animosity or hatred exhibited.
Basically, a lot of wild reaches trying to create a bogeyman that miss spectacularly.
“The powers that be would rather keep us scared”Quote:
Originally Posted by leroy jenkins
?!?! Exactly who are you referring to? What in the actual fuck?!?
None of the bill of rights is God-given. They were written by men. White men from over 200yrs ago when there were less than 3M people in the US. An utterly different nation by any measure.
At least one of the signers expected changes over time per his writings on it.
And changes did occur over time. That’s why we are on 27 amendments to date.
They are only precious as they continue to be relevant to our common culture. If they become outmoded, there is no reason to bang our heads against the wall pretending they are immutable.
I’ve said it many times. Gun proponents should be able to articulate why the 2A is relevant today beyond “because it’s my right” FOR THEIR OWN GOOD. It is important that gun owners figure it out and stop the no compromise bullshit. They have put themselves on an all-or-nothing vector, and it is likely headed for a crash the way things are going.
Making that proactive and positive rationale isn’t difficult for free speech, or right to trial by jury, or abolishing slavery or women voting, etc. Those continue to be fundamentally important to daily life.
Strawman. No one said instant. Get real stop being intellectually dishonest.Quote:
Originally Posted by schuss
Don Quixote lecturing the windmills