If only there was something we could do...

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Originally Posted by basinbeater

K Leroy,
"It is of course a problem, but isn't violence the problem and not gun violence? is knife violence fine? is the guy who killed 85 with a truck in france just dandy?

I absolutely think violence is a problem, but not all problems have absolute solutions. Doesn't mean the situation can't be improved, but to think all problems can be solved completely is delusion. Costs vs benefit must be weighed for potential solutions. Just like with masks, there are negatives, and their use for covid protection is not absolutely unequivocally good."

You start saying of course gun violence is a problem. But then you say that gun violence is not the problem, just "violence" is.

So, you don't actually think gun violence is a problem. I have concerns about people who don't see that as a problem owning guns. I would consider you a contributor to the problem.

In 2020 45,000 people were killed with guns in the US.

I would say that a dead person is a particularly bad outcome. In violent situations that result in death, guns are used 79% of the time.

"Pew research
Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) U.S. murders in 2020 – 19,384 out of 24,576 – involved a firearm."

I view that as a problem, and guns are a major factor. Trucks it would seem are not as effective at killing. It would seem as though the tool designed to kill is effective at its job, and therefore chosen for the act that is synonymous with it's mission.

Violent act: to kill
Gun design purpose: to kill
Result: murdered people. 19,348

Violent act: to kill ones self suicide
Gun design purpose: to kill
Result: 24,292 dead people through suicide.

What is the benefit you see with having hundreds of millions of guns out there? Cause the carnage is real, and i see it as a problem. Is your ability to have cool guns worth that carnage? I don't think so. You must see some other benefit to all those guns being out there? What is it?

Other countries, Australia is the best example, decided that the cost of dead people and mass shootings was too high to justify widespread gun ownership. Now they don't have this problem. So clearly it can be solved.

I think there is a large percentage of the US population that thinks the current situation of gun inflicted death in the US is just fine. They don't care as long as they can have their guns. And that seems to be the part of America you come from.

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I've already answered these things. If you have too much cognitive dissonance to comprehend my answers, me doing so again isn't going to change that.

You didn't answer my questions. Why is gun violence a problem while just violence is not? Dude in france killed 85 with a truck.

I get you're too used to operating in a echo chamber to actually communicate. Try improving upon that. It'll be good for you, it won't harm you.

More empty words that have nothing to do with the gun violence issue our country faces. Good job Leroy. You should become a politician.

usa life expectancy 76.1 years
france life expectancy 82.86

2021


eliminating gun violence would go a long way to closing the gap.

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

usa life expectancy 76.1 years
france life expectancy 82.86

2021


eliminating gun violence would go a long way to closing the gap.

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Heart disease is a much bigger factor in those stats.


Why always say 'gun violence' though? Is just violence not bad?

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

I've already answered these things. If you have too much cognitive dissonance to comprehend my answers, me doing so again isn't going to change that.

You didn't answer my questions. Why is gun violence a problem while just violence is not? Dude in france killed 85 with a truck.

I get you're too used to operating in a echo chamber to actually communicate. Try improving upon that. It'll be good for you, it won't harm you.

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K buddy.

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Originally Posted by Buzzworthy

More empty words that have nothing to do with the gun violence issue our country faces. Good job Leroy. You should become a politician.

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Read your last several posts in this thread. Zero substance.

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Originally Posted by basinbeater

K buddy.

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Awww, we're buddies?

Luv you 2 bro!

Hugs!

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Read your last several posts in this thread. Zero substance.

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Back at ya big boy. You simple use a lot more words to say nothing.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Heart disease is a much bigger factor in those stats.


Why always say 'gun violence' though? Is just violence not bad?

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do you know canada has more than twice as much violent crime per 100k than the states and yet you are still much less likely to die because of another person? or spouse? or from your own hand?

no one is advocating for violence you db. these tens of thousands of deaths are self inflicted due to horrible policy that is given a green light by douchebags. i am sorry you’re so comfy with that group.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

You didn't answer my questions. Why is gun violence a problem while just violence is not? Dude in france killed 85 with a truck.

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This has been answered 39274927342374023 times and you know it. Short answer, killing efficiency and potential for fatal accidents versus net value to society of trucks, cars, knives bats, etc..

lol @ telling basinbeater that his communication skills need improvement!

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

I don't need to insult…

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Hahahahaha! See below.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Sorry you can all get back to circle jerking and fart smelling now.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

or use strawman arguments or any of that shit.

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Hahahahahahaha! See below.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Heart disease is a much bigger factor in those stats.

Why always say 'gun violence' though? Is just violence not bad?

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Leroy, consider taking a break. You’re making a complete and absolute fool of yourself, again. Until you acknowledge that gun violence is, in and of itself, a problem that needs direct and distinct corrective action, go away.

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

do you know canada has more than twice as much violent crime per 100k than the states and yet you are still much less likely to die because of another person? or spouse? or from your own hand?

no one is advocating for violence you db. these tens of thousands of deaths are self inflicted due to horrible policy that is given a green light by douchebags. i am sorry you’re so comfy with that group.

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we all must be bad shots

or you are fullof shit

what am i full of shit about, being able to read basic shit online?

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

I've already answered these things. If you have too much cognitive dissonance to comprehend my answers, me doing so again isn't going to change that.

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No, you haven’t. Please address the question as asked without deflecting or redirecting.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

You didn't answer my questions. Why is gun violence a problem while just violence is not? Dude in france killed 85 with a truck.

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He did answer; he even quoted your question directly.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

I get you're too used to operating in a echo chamber to actually communicate. Try improving upon that. It'll be good for you, it won't harm you.

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This response is fundamentally ignorant as a response to the post he made. It is actually prime evidence of my first response above asking you to respond without deflecting.

I’d suggest going back and reading his post again and try to provide an answer that addresses that very clearly stated post.
I think it would be illuminating not just for us, but for you too.
It may garner you a little more respect than your current mode of response, even if this audience doesn’t necessarily agree with your level of enthusiasm for guns. (Please note there are gun owners in this thread who aren’t sharing your no compromise position.)

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

what am i full of shit about, being able to read basic shit online?

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have you ever been narth ?

the most likley thing for a canadian ( some say really just an unarmed american with health care ) to say to you is

sorry

i don’t know what you’re saying. the whole population of the north fits into a small corner of toronto.

is this a canadian equivalent of right wingers crying about chicago even though red states have higher murder rates than illinois?

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

i don’t know what you’re saying. the whole population of the north fits into a small corner of toronto.

is this a canadian equivalent of right wingers crying about chicago even though red states have higher murder rates than illinois?

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I’ve read before that violent crime measures are unreliable for comparisons, and that murder rate is a better proxy. Not all violent crimes will be reported, data is categorized differently, etc. but a body is much harder ignore.

Murder rate in US is 3.25x Canada’s.

There is no level of collateral damage that's "unacceptable" to gun worshipers. The worse it gets, the more afraid they become of going anywhere or living at home unarmed. Some will even admit that too many guns is absolutely the problem.. but believe KEEPING their own guns is their own individual solution to that problem.

In other words, they don't give a fuck what happens to other people... even if their own guns are stolen.. Just shrug, blame the "bad people" and go buy more guns to coddle with..

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Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

There is no level of collateral damage that's "unacceptable" to gun worshipers. The worse it gets, the more afraid they become of going anywhere or living at home unarmed. Some will even admit that too many guns is absolutely the problem.. but believe KEEPING their own guns is their own individual solution to that problem.

In other words, they don't give a fuck what happens to other people... even if their own guns are stolen.. Just shrug, blame the "bad people" and go buy more guns to coddle with..

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I get this. Makes sense now trying to understand the gun nuts I meet.

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Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

There is no level of collateral damage that's "unacceptable" to gun worshipers. The worse it gets, the more afraid they become of going anywhere or living at home unarmed. Some will even admit that too many guns is absolutely the problem.. but believe KEEPING their own guns is their own individual solution to that problem.

In other words, they don't give a fuck what happens to other people... even if their own guns are stolen.. Just shrug, blame the "bad people" and go buy more guns to coddle with..

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tell us again why you’re keeping your guns and not destroying them or turning them into police.

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Originally Posted by ikonfreewasatch

tell us again why you’re keeping your guns and not destroying them or turning them into police.

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Because I'm part of the same problem I admit exists. I have no problem owning my hypocrisy or walking back things I waffle on.

I'm voting for politicians who campaign on making EVERYONE GET RID OF THEM. I'm still pro 2nd A for simple bolt action hunting rifles and max 3 shell shotguns.

We elect representatives to make the hard decisions we can't all decide on together as individuals.. just like taxes..

Next question?

Too bad we couldn't deem that all guns, like cars and boats, must be registered. Don't want to resister your gun? No problem. Turn it in or keep it in your house like your MJ plant, lot car or hot teen porn collection and no one will care.

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

do you know canada has more than twice as much violent crime per 100k than the states and yet you are still much less likely to die because of another person? or spouse? or from your own hand?

no one is advocating for violence you db. these tens of thousands of deaths are self inflicted due to horrible policy that is given a green light by douchebags. i am sorry you’re so comfy with that group.

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As a Canadian I’d be interested in knowing where you got this stat.

Or are they throwing in homicides with hockey games?

Brain worms.