Electric Bike Thread

You guys are getting worked up. Yeah, it's a way to sidestep the rules, but it's a legal one. They are in Utah. Based on the class system 1/2/3. As long as the bike's controller is set to limit to the allowed classes, or the bike does not have more than a 50cc gas assist engine, it's a bike in Utah - as long as it has pedals. Gotta figure they'll close the loophole at some point, but that point is not now, according to my phone call with the DMV. And, btw, if you guys don't think these things are on campuses all over the country you are fooling yourselves.

We will see how it goes. I'm pretty worried about it getting stolen, honestly. Healthy business in swiping bikes and mopeds in SLC.

Anyway, TGR is super helpful with gear questions most of the time. This is not one of those times. Heh.

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Originally Posted by EWG

You guys are getting worked up. Yeah, it's a way to sidestep the rules, but it's a legal one. They are in Utah. Based on the class system 1/2/3. As long as the bike's controller is set to limit to the allowed classes, or the bike does not have more than a 50cc gas assist engine, it's a bike in Utah - as long as it has pedals. Gotta figure they'll close the loophole at some point, but that point is not now, according to my phone call with the DMV. And, btw, if you guys don't think these things are on campuses all over the country you are fooling yourselves.

We will see how it goes. I'm pretty worried about it getting stolen, honestly. Healthy business in swiping bikes and mopeds in SLC.

Anyway, TGR is super helpful with gear questions most of the time. This is not one of those times. Heh.

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yeah we should have known you are in Utah

maybe YOU asked a dumbass question ?

The sirron type bikes are everywhere around park city. They are treated by kids and families as de facto E Bikes.

I'd be 50% concerned about my kid tear assing around like a douchebag, and 50% concerned that the shitty chinesium battery is gonna catch fire and burn down a dorm with a bunch of kids inside.

The off brand ebikes like the super73 catch fire pretty damn often. Tons of fires and deaths attributed to them.

yeah yer just getting worked up

riding motorized 2wheel vehicals around or even liberating a golf cart while on a hit of window pane is just a college right-of-passage

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Originally Posted by EWG

You guys are getting worked up. Yeah, it's a way to sidestep the rules, but it's a legal one. They are in Utah. Based on the class system 1/2/3. As long as the bike's controller is set to limit to the allowed classes, or the bike does not have more than a 50cc gas assist engine, it's a bike in Utah - as long as it has pedals. Gotta figure they'll close the loophole at some point, but that point is not now, according to my phone call with the DMV. And, btw, if you guys don't think these things are on campuses all over the country you are fooling yourselves.

We will see how it goes. I'm pretty worried about it getting stolen, honestly. Healthy business in swiping bikes and mopeds in SLC.

Anyway, TGR is super helpful with gear questions most of the time. This is not one of those times. Heh.

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I mean you did put a motorcycle in the E-bike thread.

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I mean you did put a motorcycle in the E-bike thread.

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Laughing my face off! Quoted for truth.

What I want to know is how do the kids get to the bird to ski? How do they get to trails to mountain bike? .... what am I getting at? ... a car, of course?

Color me confused

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It settled , EWG will be getting them matching escallades!
FWIW i thought the security system ,on my specialized vado linked, would be beneficial for campus life

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Heres that specialized hub drive bike. Its listed as a "globe". A side company of special ed

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/ha...=323191-200057

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Kudos to SRAM for spending a couple years to really dial in their entirely unimpressive looking motor.

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Kudos to SRAM for spending a couple years to really dial in their entirely unimpressive looking motor.

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I laft.

Oddball question: I have a Lolo rack because we have lots of bikers in our fam (4...).

For bikes with the handlebar-mounted computer (Shimano EM-800 only?), the Lolo hooks go right where the computer is - obviously not a good idea to wedge the computer into the hooks and have the bike suspended by the computer. Is there anyway to carry on a Lolo bikes with those computers?

I tried with my buddy's Repeater, and I could not figure it out. The wires appeared to be too short to unscrew the computer and move it down the bar. Typically, I would just do that for handlebar-mounted stuff - just unscrew and take it off. But it did not appear that there was excess wire on the computers to allow me to loosen and remove it.

Options:
1) Is there excess wire within the frame that allows you to loosen and pull the computer down the bars? It didn't look like it, and that would be a dumb way to build a computer interface.
2) Or can you simply "unplug" the Shimano computer, take off, put back on, and plug back in without any issues? I expect that is the answer but did not want to try it on my buddy's bike without knowing for sure.

I think the system looks pretty sweet (currently on a Levo, running Transmission & AXS dropper). It basically ticks all the boxes for me: LCD display with battery %, range extender, smooth power delivery. I'm fine with there only being 2 motor modes, as the rides I do are usually full turbo, with a small number being full eco. And if you want something in between, you can reprogram one of the 2 modes to be that. The autoshift I'd never use, but the coast shifting sounds awesome - there's definitely plenty of scenarios where you want to dump a few gears knowing there's a punchy climb coming up, but don't want to risk pedal strokes.

I've been happy with the feel of the Specialized Brose motor. My main complaints with the bike after 9 months of ownership are basically Specialized's execution. 1) not compatible with range extender (I'd rather have a ~550w main battery and lighter bike most of the time plus a ~200+ range extender for some rides, than a 750w battery and the associated weight all the time). 2) Levo's kinematics (not very progressive, I've got 28% sag, a Cascade link AND max tokens in my Super Deluxe Ultimate with HBO, and I can still bottom it out). 3) The fucking bearings in the seat stay end of the rocker link won't stay put.

I could totally see myself picking up a Santa Cruz or Transition with the SRAM motor in a year or two when the warranty on my Specialized is about to expire.

I'm beyond stoked with my Relay.

I'd definitely be eying that new Repeater if I wanted a full power.

But I'm very happy with the lighter mid power motor and the Fazua behaves great, super customizable.

Sram:
-Less modes than the competition
-Less programmable than the competition
-Heavier than the competition
-Bulkier than the competition
-Requires an AXS dropper, which is expensive and doesn't have longer drops
-Can't turn the motor off from the handlebar
-No improvements on power or range
-TBD whether it has the same failure points as other Brose motors

The only real upsides I see are the range extender, the link between the main and derailleur battery, and *maybe* the shifting while coasting.

It gets a solid meh.

Of interest, I've been towing my analog friends with my Relay on steep fire roads. It works great. We both work hard but get to the top way faster. The only failure point is when it is so steep and loose that there isn't enough rear wheel traction and I have to put a foot down.

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Oddball question: I have a Lolo rack because we have lots of bikers in our fam (4...).

For bikes with the handlebar-mounted computer (Shimano EM-800 only?), the Lolo hooks go right where the computer is - obviously not a good idea to wedge the computer into the hooks and have the bike suspended by the computer. Is there anyway to carry on a Lolo bikes with those computers?

I tried with my buddy's Repeater, and I could not figure it out. The wires appeared to be too short to unscrew the computer and move it down the bar. Typically, I would just do that for handlebar-mounted stuff - just unscrew and take it off. But it did not appear that there was excess wire on the computers to allow me to loosen and remove it.

Options:
1) Is there excess wire within the frame that allows you to loosen and pull the computer down the bars? It didn't look like it, and that would be a dumb way to build a computer interface.
2) Or can you simply "unplug" the Shimano computer, take off, put back on, and plug back in without any issues? I expect that is the answer but did not want to try it on my buddy's bike without knowing for sure.

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not exactly sure of all yer there fores and what have ya's but when i ripped out a cable to the display I discovered those shimano cables are available on amazon for about 30$ and come in a bunch of different lengths if that is any help

A bunch of your cons are personal preference, which is fine, but just remember there's lots of people who don't find them to be cons.
I think I've actually used Eco mode <10 rides in 9 months, similar but slightly more for Trail. My use case for Eco is basically if I go out for a ride and run into a friend on a pedal bike. Trail mode I occasionally use for trying to do very long range rides. Full Trail mode gets me about 30% more range than full Turbo. I've never tried a full Eco ride, mostly because I never have enough time to ride that long.
I've never once thought I needed to turn the motor completely off while riding. For the first few weeks after I got the ebike, I would drop into Trail or Eco while descending because I was nervous about getting a burst of unexpected speed, but then I realized it wasn't an issue, and now just leave it in Turbo all the time. I actually prefer to do that, since it's great to be able to do 1 pedal stroke for a speed boost heading into a jump.
I saw the one comparison of the weight of the motor itself compared to an EP8 which was a bit lighter; not sure what a Bosch motor weighs. The SRAM/Brose might weigh more than an EP8, but I know that the Levo is one of the lightest full power bikes out there (usually around 50 lbs vs 52 lbs for a Bosch powered bike), so I'm pretty sure the total bike package makes more of a difference than the motor. I'd reserve judgement until we see what the complete bikes weigh.
A 170 AXS works for me but I get that it's too short for basically anyone running a size L or greater bike. That said, given that people have been complaining about this for years, I would be shocked if they don't finally release an updated version with 190-220 drop before spring.

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A bunch of your cons are personal preference, which is fine, but just remember there's lots of people who don't find them to be cons.
I think I've actually used Eco mode <10 rides in 9 months, similar but slightly more for Trail. My use case for Eco is basically if I go out for a ride and run into a friend on a pedal bike. Trail mode I occasionally use for trying to do very long range rides. Full Trail mode gets me about 30% more range than full Turbo. I've never tried a full Eco ride, mostly because I never have enough time to ride that long.
I've never once thought I needed to turn the motor completely off while riding. For the first few weeks after I got the ebike, I would drop into Trail or Eco while descending because I was nervous about getting a burst of unexpected speed, but then I realized it wasn't an issue, and now just leave it in Turbo all the time. I actually prefer to do that, since it's great to be able to do 1 pedal stroke for a speed boost heading into a jump.
I saw the one comparison of the weight of the motor itself compared to an EP8 which was a bit lighter; not sure what a Bosch motor weighs. The SRAM/Brose might weigh more than an EP8, but I know that the Levo is one of the lightest full power bikes out there (usually around 50 lbs vs 52 lbs for a Bosch powered bike), so I'm pretty sure the total bike package makes more of a difference than the motor. I'd reserve judgement until we see what the complete bikes weigh.
A 170 AXS works for me but I get that it's too short for basically anyone running a size L or greater bike. That said, given that people have been complaining about this for years, I would be shocked if they don't finally release an updated version with 190-220 drop before spring.

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I use eco a lot, mostly because I have a small battery. If I'm trying to get 30+ miles and over 5k vert, I have to be in Eco for most of it. Shorter rides I mostly stay in Trail. I only use Turbo if I'm doing something super short, or just for a quick burst to get up something steep. I'd certainly use Eco less if I had a bigger battery, but the point is more that limiting the number of modes is kinda dumb. Our commuter with a Bosch motor has 4 modes, and I like that even better than the 3 modes on the Levo. I also always either turn the motor off or go into Eco on techy descents. When I do a 1/4 pedal stroke to get a quick push over an obstacle, any higher power mode is super variable as to whether it's going to engage and how much power it'll give. I hate that. If 3 modes is too complicated for your average ebiker, then maybe the jokes about ebikers have a bit too much truth to them.

Mostly though, the Sram thing just brings absolutely nothing compelling to the table. It doesn't do anything that something else on the market already does.

A couple nice things about it are it has no rattle up or down and its really nice to see the new battery cells being released. Right now i think its just the 720w with reg cells but the 630w will have the new cells saving over a lb but then the motor is about 1/2 lb heavier. A proper equipped mid 40lb full power bike should be a regular occurence. Thats about where i want to be without sacrificing tire casings.i havent actually tried or beat on a "sram transmission" but im more interesred in a "MGU". Derailleurs , for me, are the weak link at this point. Im not buying anything fancy these days. Microshift advent X 10spd 12-50 is working extremely well. Any long cage is too long though most likely. Pleased as with functional parts heavier parts and tires despite only 70nm e8000 pulling it all. Id go all in with an MGU. Oil change once a year, shocker service and maybe some pads and tires and gtg. 4th season on the decoy, touch wood, its been a great DD. I should give a shootout to yt as well. Its like a lbs. Theyre responses and shipping are super quick and personal. Sent me a derailleur hanger recently. Answered the email next day and in the mail the following day. Best CS ive ever had. Hard to beat their current deals as well.

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I think any way you cut it between 6lbs of motor/ 8 lbs of battery/ variuos yada's a full powered e-trailbike is gona be > 50lbs

definatly sub 50 if you lie about weight like Santa Cruz did with my 52lb Bullit but I give pretty much zero fucks about that

maybe SRAM is late to the party on motors but where SRAM could really pull ahead of Shimano is customer service

as in actualy having some

Mine is around 55lbs w coil, dh casings, steel cassstte. There are lots of properly built enduro bikes in the 33-36lb range. Sub 50 doesnt sound unreasonable. I think the orbea ewild w proper tires and 625w battery is sub 50 already and they say stringer and stiffer than thdir previous bike. 1lb off that battery, 1/2 lb off the motor a 1/4 here a 1/4 there with a few $ and careful part selecton = mid 40's . Thats today apart from the future inevitable weight loss off the motor.
My MGU dream is going to add a couple lbs but ill take that any day.
Looking at the 3 x 3 hub for my decoy. Theyre supposed to have electronic bluetooth shifting for it this fall

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not exactly sure of all yer there fores and what have ya's but when i ripped out a cable to the display I discovered those shimano cables are available on amazon for about 30$ and come in a bunch of different lengths if that is any help

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Lol nice thanks.

My research turned up that you can disconnect the connectors from the ports, but that there is a special tool for that, called, um, needlenose pliers? Just kidding, the crux is you have to use your phone to re-pair the computer to the motor/battery.

https://www.emtbforums.com/threads/s...display.23415/

The little plastic tool is dirt cheap and handy. LBS had extra and just gave me one. If youre careful youre probably ok with the needle nose but the tool is perfectly shaped so you dont damage those little wires. Good to have on your bike or in your day pack as wdll

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Mine is around 55lbs w coil, dh casings, steel cassstte. There are lots of properly built enduro bikes in the 33-36lb range. Sub 50 doesnt sound unreasonable. I think the orbea ewild w proper tires and 625w battery is sub 50 already and they say stringer and stiffer than thdir previous bike. 1lb off that battery, 1/2 lb off the motor a 1/4 here a 1/4 there with a few $ and careful part selecton = mid 40's . Thats today apart from the future inevitable weight loss off the motor.
My MGU dream is going to add a couple lbs but ill take that any day.
Looking at the 3 x 3 hub for my decoy. Theyre supposed to have electronic bluetooth shifting for it this fall

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Its very obvious to me you and I take different drugs