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Psst.... highangle, made a thread for you.
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Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
I dun posted in it three times, Captain.
Why don't you go ahead and X-reference my wisdom here to aid the gentle reader of your most excellent other thread?
A appropriately sized saw with an appropriate bar length in the hands of a skilled operator is much, much more efficient than a manual tool. If contract thinning crews could get production with a $40 manual tool than a $600 saw, they would. They don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by highangle
With a bar that long TacocaT is probably just bumping the power head of that saw with his thigh to make cuts.
Although, this line of discussion is making me want to get a machete for my truck...
My survey crews only break out their saws when they have to. It increases their work, increases liability, and I make them tape their blowout kits to the backs of their helmets.
Is a " blow out kit " the compression bandage?
A lot of guys put them in the helmet so we had an instructor tell us not to put em in the helmet, his reason was you get into a situation where you are pinned/down if the helmet has fallen off your compression bandage is in the helmet which you now can't reach which made sense to me ... I stuff it in a pocket
I've had this discussion before. If you're pinned down, and leaking bad, and alone...You are in a bind if you can reach your compression bandage or not.
I forget all that's in there -- Izzy, Kerlix, maxipad, tongue depressors, tape, and some other shit. We're typically not pinned down by accurate depressed enemy fire, so it's usually OK to use your trauma kit and WFR or WEMT on the other guy. I'll replace all that shit for you, bro.
My vest already weighs 20 lbs if I have to hang a logger's tape on it. When clients and inspectors see a red & white first aid kit festooned with reflectotape, a man's name, and his blood group, they know we're the guys Strawberry gets the good shit from.
Yeah, they are survey crews, not land clearing crews.Quote:
Originally Posted by highangle
Makes zero sense to cut a visual line with a saw unless you really need to.
I'm talking about thinning crews. 20 people running 10 saws cutting and stacking. It isn't efficient in terms of dollars or time to do it manually.
Agree that if you are pinned down, cut from a saw and alone, you are probably dead. Isreali compression bandage and a hemostatic (quickclot) bandage are what you want.
Shit I'm almost always sawing solo. What's a good place to get a emergency kit?
Grainger, or any industrial or forestry supply should have trauma kits. Military surplus stores too.
I know a hunting guide on the AkPen who carries a kit with morphine and fentanyl lollipops in case a pilgrim shoots him in the leg with a .375... He's also the pilot, so it'll be a long extract if he gets mangled.
You can buy most of it on Amazon these days (Isreali Bandage, Hemostatic dressing, etc.) You could go down to REI in Eugene and buy most of it I bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
We always had a trauma compression bandage (2), 4x4 pads (10), athletic tape, etc. You can make it much more complicated than it needs to be.
Remember, the goal here is to stop a bleed out and get to more advanced medical care. If you make it to big, you won't carry it.
Funny...I know a guide in Southeast who's wife shot him in the leg with a .375. He was carrying a deer and she was following up carrying the rifle. She stumbled and fell and shot him in the leg. He was the skipper. They dealt with it and he got out alive but lost his leg from the knee down.Quote:
Originally Posted by highangle
the compression bandage is all I carry in a pocket and we don't cut alone
the guy giving the saw safety course had a trailer load of stems on the ground out at his farm and so he walked us thru what it would take to cut a guy out of a pin with plunge and horizontal cuts which was definatley more fancy saw use than normal
used to recreate with a medical type who had out of date morphine, i always asked if he carried 1st aid and he would say ya man last aid too
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Originally Posted by ~mikey b
Musta hit him in the toe...
What did Mrs McComber do, tie him off and run down the hill to mayday from the boat radio?
I dropped a Browning rifle 20' out of a tree stand, and it landed on the butt pointed right up at me. It landed hard enough to break the stock of the BAR and cycle the bolt, but it never thought of firing with the Winchester type thru-bolt safety engaged. Hell yes there was a round in the chamber.
Was cutting overhead with a saw I just took the belly out of - clank. That was the chain hitting the top of my helmet after it fell off the bar. The chainbrake was the only thing that stopped it from tearing my ass up like a mountain lion before I could get out of the throttle.
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Pretty much blew away everything just above the knee. And yeah, she bandaged him up ran down the hill and called mayday from the boat. Coast Guard saved him. She later died smashing her skull in off a rope swing.
ugh
Carrying a rifle with a round chambered after the hunt is over and now this, she doesn't sound like she was the sharpest knife in the drawer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~mikey b
Brown bear country. A round in the chamber is normal for some folks.
My seismic survey contracts in the Ms, La, E.Tx salt dome country were all sounding down to the Permian...Quote:
Originally Posted by mecc69
Let me explain seismic surveying in that part of the world:
You need wide enough line for the drillers and doodlebuggers. "Source" line runs in a cardinal direction (true), let's say NS.
Source was on a 440' grid eg: an 80d galvanized nail was set to 0.02'hz every 440' along a source line so a crew of mostly stoned out working class kids of all races can come together to smoke, break big iron tools, and drill a hole 60' deep and hopefully straight down to plant some expensive and highly brisant explosive charges the boss knows about while hopefully leaving some "wores" connected and exposed on the surface for the "blasters" to set off with the grace of a Mozart conch-cherto.
"Receiver" line runs EW (true) and only needs to be about 6' wide, but it's on a 220' grid and highly highly decorated with vast and immense quantities of flagging tape. This is so the very lowest form of life in the American energy industry, doodlebuggers, can't possibly get lost trying to follow a straight line whilst trailing a cable the size of a garden hose and stopping every 220' to wonder where the "fuckawee". It never works. Geophones is hard.
So, now, with this "Grid" concept, you, as a seasoned professional, can see that when you get finished with a source line, you move over 440' and start another.
And when you get done with a reciever line, you move up 220' and begin another.
And so on.
You get paid by the point. The job is 500 square miles. You don't have to finish it all today, since it's hotter than six rats fuckin' in a wool sock out there, but they got another 500-mile job waiting on us if we finish this one on time, so...
Here's your and your crew's room keys. I had to buy the only hotel in Grand Chenier Louisiana to get them, so keepem someplace you won't losem.
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Damn straight. Why carry an unholstered/unwrapped firearm otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by ~mikey b
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6. .375 win mags don't fit in a holster too good
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2. Q: Is there anything more worthless than an unloaded rifle in a case on a bear hunt? No. A burnt up saw makes a better boat anchor, and your son can design affordable women's shoes.
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Were you raising or lowering the rifle when you dropped it? If so, it should have been unloaded
https://vimeo.com/81240461
Amazing rope and cable work too.
Cut first, then smoke crack.
Picked up my first ever Husky this week. 440 x-torque saw w a 16" bar for trail work and maintaining the mountain next to the 362. Man, I must say she is a hell of a saw! Light enough to scramble up and down the steeps all day but powerful enough to make short work of big tasks. Balance and ergos are surprisingly nice too.
May get a carbide chain for it since we cut so close to the ground all the time, but I must say, it is a perfect hiking saw!
Well I'm in the market for a chainsaw. I'm looking for a general purpose saw that'll be used around the farm when clearing brush and cutting saplings.
I know next to nothing about chainsaws and I haven't read very far through the tread. The local shop sells Stihl saws.
What chainsaw is right for me?
MS 250Quote:
Originally Posted by Kopi_Red
get the orange one
My first saw was a used Stihl 026. That shit's been fuckin' money ever since! Have even done trail clearing with it, where I would have to carry it a couple of miles. Big enough to get the tough jobs done, while being reasonably portable.Quote:
Originally Posted by NW_SKIER
My 038mag and 044 professional forestry saws are going on 20yrs and still perform great. A bit heavy (>70cc) for your suggested usage, but I love my 24" and 32" bars (less bending over) and wrap handles. The 044 with the arctic kit is so nice when the temp gets below -10C. Used them for brushing and spacing contracts for a couple of seasons without complaint. My wife brought a MS250 to the union; it gets used mostly for pruning as I hate bending over with it for any kind of serious brushing that is too much for the FS40 'wacker.
Is that what you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by NW_SKIER
Don't just run out and buy the Stihl. Echo makes a great product at a better value. You might not get a free hat.
Get an Echo CS 501p. Echo professional saws are every bit as good as Stihls for less money.Quote:
Originally Posted by kai_ski
Get a Stihl so you can get parts and service at the local shop. Probably a ms 261 or ms 271 for general farm work. A little less weight, more power, more $$$ for the 261.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kopi_Red
Yes. For as little as you will likely use it, it will be plenty of saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kopi_Red
Bought one of these from a retired logger outside of Porterville a couple of years ago. I have no idea why, but the saw is a fucking beast! Replaced the 36" bar with a 30". Still, a lot of saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCMountainHound
This^^ if you don't have a local dealer for support I would give the other brands a pass, I went for the 261 cuz its a smallish pro quality saw ... good if you have to hike itQuote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
re : the model numbers game I haven't been around it long enough to understand what the numbers mean but I know that just cuz the 271 is 10 more than the 261 means phuck all cuz the 261 is a pro saw and the 271 is a midrange saw so the 261 will have mo power & cost more than the 271 SO you really gotta research the model numbers and google is yer friend
Fell a couple of 3'+ Doug snags in tight spots in a campground today. I love my job.
Thanks for all the advice on the saws. I was leaning towards picking up a 271 but then I found a lightly used 028 Super that I ended up buying. It's in really good shape so I decided to toss the dice and try it out. So far so good.