30 pages into the thread and hasn't bothered to get the basic facts of how this went down... tracks with his namesake and par for the course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
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30 pages into the thread and hasn't bothered to get the basic facts of how this went down... tracks with his namesake and par for the course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
See, this is why everyone needs to carry a gun. To protect us from state tyranny. If those parents had guns, they could have shot the deputies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
The school district had a detailed plan to harden the schools. Didn't seem to work well...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZF2...NQwNyVsV0/view
That was a classroom door that was locked (some have even been hardened!), which at most schools, is a different beast than the emergency exit doors that are often much easier to open. Hardening schools is a difficult thing for many that will require new building with different architectural aims, perhaps dramatically so. I’m pretty sure I know all of the schools at least one person in this thread would have gone too contemporaneously and none were armored even though they claim so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
shove your smug pompous rationality up your ass, I was pointing out the stupidity of Bobby stupid, the definition of tgr tryhard dumbfuck
It does seem like a cluster fuckQuote:
Originally Posted by Summit
but then again - it is tex-ass
I larfed...and went to watch the old Leroy Jenkins vid...an absolute classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
bravo!Quote:
Originally Posted by neckdeep
well done good sir
Makes you wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuntmonkey
Govt cancels mental healthcare and allows unrestricted gun sales.
Lunatic is shooting your kids school up and govt hesitate to go in themselves.
You try to act and get tazed by govt or worse if you took things into your own hands and tried going in armed yourself you’d be a govt casualty yourself.
Madness
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We’ve spent 20+ years telling police they’re more important than us. That they’re inherently heroes. We’ve let them have their dumb fucking blue line flag that says they’re better than us. Them not willing to take any risk at all to protect anyone is the natural consequence of that. You get applicants who want to be called heroes instead of those who feel compelled to serve and protect their community.
All hat and no cattle.
yep
40 years - Warren vs District of Columbia. They don’t have any duty to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcphee
Fuck...Quote:
Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of the two teachers killed in Uvalde, died this morning of a heart attack, said his nephew, John Martinez. Mr. Garcia, 50, had visited his wife’s memorial on Thursday morning to drop off flowers. When he got back home, he “pretty much just fell over,” Mr. Martinez said. They were married for 24 years and had four children, the oldest 23 and the rest teenagers. He had been riven with grief when he lost the love of his life, Mr. Martinez said. “I’m really in shock right now.”
But maybe not locked, actually:Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Attachment 417443
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/stat...GDvMAFVdkBccRw
Hard to know for sure. It’s difficult to determine if a classroom door is locked while standing out front of the school.
This is the same guy who said it was locked yesterday. Just lying to cover their asses every step of the way.
Reportedly "officers tried to enter the school, but the shooter fired on them, hitting some of the officers, Olivarez said. At that point, police officers “began breaking windows around the school” in an attempt to evacuate children, teachers and staff,."
The BORTRAC agents exchanged rounds with the shooter before entering the classroom. They also took multiple hits to a shield as well as receiving ricochet wounds upon entering the classroom. More details will emerge but so far it sounds like the shooter used the classroom door as cover to hold off law enforcement.
We have 10x more people, 50x more guns and no buy-in from the gun-owning public. There are clear logistical challenges to implementing a similar program in the US. Never going to happen unless Trump himself suggests it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
protect and serveQuote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
last time I mentioned that to a police officer I thought I was going to get tazed
here's looking at you Vergennes, Vt police department
;)
That's Not a plan - it's an administrator's outline.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobMc
dog. tj
I know you're not arguing this, but your response is akin to saying we basically don't want to do it, but recognize it would work. There needs to be public/political will...yes, Trump suggesting it would probably make it happen. 10x people shouldn't matter...we have 10x the resources too. 50x more guns is an problem...but isn't that the point? we're trying to solve said problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Because nobody with any real power wants to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
I actually think Trump would suggest something like that. He is not really pro gun.
I do not think that even the #forevertrumpers would jump onboard surrendering their guns just because their orange god commanded it.
About 200 posts ago I posted that I support and like Australia's system. I'm a gun owner living in the US. There's more people like me. About 250 posts ago, I mentioned that one of the largest roadblocks to change is the generalizations from both sides and that we need to organize like thinkers in the middle. I was chastised as a hypocrite because I own guns. Really felt like that poster was saying my opinion didn't matter because I'm a gun owner. I guess we could just rely on Trump for a solution. His admin did ban bumpstops... Just a thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
I think Trump is more the embodiment of his supporters than he is the leader of his supporters. Trump for example supports vaccines but his supporters don't so after he was booed at a rally for saying people should get vaccinated he never mentioned it again. Consider the amount of time and effort Trump puts into telling his supporters how much he loves them. It's a feedback loop. In reality Trump has very little leeway when it comes to coloring outside the lines before his supporters abandon him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
This. Trump probably had a better chance than most, but didn't want to expend the political capital. Which is another way of saying he doesn't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
count me in too.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
do you think the polling on common sense gun control legislation is false? Because what you say can't be true if so...meaning if Trump said today "pass common sense gun control legislation" I do think it would move things in the Senate enough. I get what you're saying, him being the embodiment of his supporters, but to that end almost all of the Trump supporters I know are also vaccinated. I can think of one friend who is a huge gun nut, antivaxxer, and rabid Trumper...so I know what you're saying...those people exist...is it most of the GOP supporters and then is it also most of the folks in the GOP who want common sense gun control? Not everyone is like Leroy on the gun nut side of things. Most of the folks I know, myself included, who own guns mainly own them for hunting...that's not the portion of the population that's the problem, nor should they be singled out as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
I agree alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
the gun owning public is 1/3 of the USQuote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Agreed. We don't really know the Australia solution won't scale to the U.S.'s parameters. It's a bit of a cop out to say it won't work here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
Yup, as is my case. I have guns for the eventual collapse of Murican society, but I would willing turn them in if it was National policyQuote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Feb 2017, one of his first fucking actions flies in the face of that assertion and is applicable to everything we are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Damn peoples memories are short
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President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.
The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.
Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.
President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.
The original rule was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Gun control advocates, however, praised the rule for curbing the availability of firearms to those who may not use them with the right intentions.
Both the House and Senate last week passed the new bill, H.J. Res 40, revoking the Obama-era regulation.
Trump signed the bill into law without a photo op or fanfare. The president welcomed cameras into the oval office Tuesday for the signing of other executive orders and bills. News that the president signed the bill was tucked at the bottom of a White House email alerting press to other legislation signed by the president.
The National Rifle Association “applauded” Trump’s action. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA executive director, said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”
Everytown For Gun Safety President John Feinblatt said he expected more gun control rollbacks from the Trump administration. In a statement to NBC News, he called the action "just the first item on the gun lobby’s wish list" and accused the National Rifle Association of "pushing more guns, for more people, in more places."
Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., a leading gun control advocate in Congress, called out Republicans over the move.
"Republicans always say we don’t need new gun laws, we just need to enforce the laws already on the books. But the bill signed into law today undermines enforcement of existing laws that Congress passed to make sure the background check system had complete information," he said in an emailed statement.
So we have 10 times as many school children, church goers, grocery buyers, movie watchers, concert attendees who shouldn't be getting shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
I don't consider you a hypocrite because you own guns. You're a statistical outlier. Any gun confiscation is a complete non-starter for most of the gun-owning public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
I enjoy the mental real estate I occupy in your brain. It's apparent that I'm in a good part of town, from the childish comments you make.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Fuck the gun owning public. They’re the minority and the majority of the public wants to severely restrict firearm access. Again, FUCK THE GUN OWNING PUBLIC. Your hobby and cosplay and fever dreams of the government/bogeyman coming to get you does not override the rational fear that unarmed citizens feel on a daily basis.
Cmon man! Bullshit. He is not that powerful. Y’all need to stop the thinking that he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
The gun nuts are not going to listen to anyone. Nobody gets between them and their guns.
"Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack. Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years. They leave behind four children," Zuniga's tweet said.
https://www.newsweek.com/husband-uva...attack-1710587
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Originally Posted by Conundrum
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Originally Posted by Mazderati
you aren’t wrong, but as long as Leroy and Bobby Stupid continue to speak wrongly in the name of all gun owners what we gonna do? Like I posted the gun nuts are ~10% or less of adults.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
with regard to law enforcement, I believe current training Greatly emphasized officer safety, and 'securing the scene' and when faced with weaponry, Waiting for reinforcements And superior firepower - no heroics.
while I do not agree with it, and my experience has been Bad, I understand how many of the people now being drawn to law enforcement would act in this way - Just following their training --
( a few years ago, in an unexpected conversation with a novice officer following an incident that had been at the verge of going Very Badly, my comment to the novice officer was,
' I hope you learned something '
The officer responded,
' I would do exactly the same thing again. '
escalate the conflict. use force. (2018)
local law enforcement did exactly what they were trained to do.
Yes, it is a very bad look --
tj