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I have the Goodyear Wrangler UltraTerrain AT as my summer tire. Has been awesome so far. Much better ride than my previous E rated tires. Good snow traction when I have used them in shoulder season but they are fairly newQuote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Sweet, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by klauss
Yeah - they def are not 3PMSF. And on actual ice they are noticeably less capable than a proper snow tire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
They do last a LOT longer than I suspect a 3PMSF would given all-season use. Apparently trucks are pretty hard on tires. Who knew? :D
Hak LT3 is 10ply so it may ride rough but should be tougher
You are almost certainly correct regarding wear (the treadwear ratings are the same, but I'm skeptical). I still think it's worth it since our shoulder seasons are super long and overlap with desert season. Also, while rarely enforced, our canyon traction laws now require 3PMSF.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
Discount Tire should be able to order any Nokian. They always have for me.
Running studded hakka LTs on the current rig with a constant 7200lbs on the rear axle.
Might go studless next time for no particular reason other than to not have to rush out to change em out on April 1st or whenever it is.
Although for that kind of weight, my next move is more likely to be to 19.5s with Michelin XDS's. The hakkas have handled it fine. Can't hear the studs. But I don't like being at the weight limit of the tire and a camper buddy is running those tires with a triple slide Host (drool...).
Anyone with significant 19.5" snow tire experience?
Yeah - the Michy's have a 60K mile "warranty" but I think we only got about 45K out of the 1st pair. But to be honest, they were so much better than the abysmal stock tires that came on the truck, I was good with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
"The change does not affect vehicles with four-wheel or all-wheel drive"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Admittedly, I haven't had much need to pay particularly close attention to these things this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
ETA: Though, honestly, 4WD/AWD shouldn't be excepted. There's no shortage of idiots in AWD vehicles who think they're just fine with their all seasons that are worn down to 3/32.
Okay, rocking true studded snows on my 3rd gen tundra, thinking summer tires.
Occasionally tow a car trailer.
Want aggressive looks, as the truck will be wrapped with logos for my off road shop.
Truck will be lifted 3" on OME bp51 suspension.
Thinking a 295/70 r17... or similar size.
Maybe not a full MT tire, but maybe if maggot experience is good in terms of road noise & tread life... maybe?
I went studless for better performance 97% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Up narth I'm driving on snow & ice for > 5 months of the year
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/02...of-snow-tires/
Duratracs have served my well. Recently switched to General AT3 though to save some $ on a vehicle I am most likely selling soonQuote:
Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier
I like duratracs but looking for something with a little harder rubber compound for summer driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by mn_teleswede
STMaxx. Got a set on 295/70/17 on Rock Warrior rims you can try [emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier
I was already thinking ST Maxx as a recommendation and the got here. A buddy has them on an 80 and they look great and he rallies in the desert with me. I run pros and he keeps up. His is a daily driver, mine isn’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
STmaxx is under consideration. Also really like the appearance of the KM3. And of course the new BFG Ko2 in the new harder DT compound are of interest as well.
I'm a tire idiot and am now thinking way to much about stuff that likely doesn't matter for a Crew cab 6 foot bed Nissan Frontier. I live in North Central WA and have a set of snow tires that I swap on for winter, so I'm not too worried about snow performance and don't see getting any gnarlier than light towing and FS roads of varying quality.
Walmart is my closest/best option. Any thoughts about the difference between Hankook Dynapro AT2 RF11, Falken Wildpeak AT3W and Cooper Discoverer AT? Anything else I should consider besides these? I'm leaning towards the Hankooks.
I was leaning Hankook myself until I read the Tirerack comparison I linked above. I don’t have any comparative experience of my own, though. FWIW I’ve been pleased with the Yokos. They’re pretty quiet for an AT LT tire, and they handled the recent snow here with no issue.
I'm running the wild peaks on my tundra right now. I like them, good traction on mud, dirt, snow and ice, no chipping from the FS roads. Got a good deal on Kumho road venture ATs for my boy's Taco. I like that tire, too. Both were Wally world purchases..Quote:
Originally Posted by John_B
Are you talking Cooper discoverer at3? If so, I was not a fan of them in dirt. Any mud, ie, it had rained on a graded northern california dirt road-not mudding, they were terrible in. Good highway tire tho
I've run two of the tires on your list on my 80 series land cruiser. I really liked the coopers for highway, fire roads, etc. and have similar feels on the Falken's so far. I got really good usage on the Coopers over 50k miles and still had really good tread left - just swapped them namely due their time in service and didn't want to have one cause an issue on a winter or summer road trip because the tire compound drying out and not being very elastic anymore. Both are good on highway, seem to be very similar snow/ice capabilities, and wet weather performance was good for both.
During the last two winters during some particularly dicey road conditions, I felt completely planted on the road with the Falken's.
I don't hard core wheel per se, so can't comment on either tire for that application.
May just be a price point discussion at the end - I am happy I saved a few bucks on the Falken's when I replaced the Coopers.
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Originally Posted by John_B
I have had several touch and go moments with the Falkens on ice, IMO they don't perform much better than a good all season radial there. Although I am running the E-rated version, maybe a harder durometer rubber? Everything else including rain has been great along with long wear.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWcement
Fair point. You mention rain, so maybe there is something damp road conditions where the tires perform better. Looks like you're in MT which is colder dryer snow and colder dryer ice - vs - Cascade maritime snow or slopping compacted snow that masquerades as Ice. Slippery yes, very much so, but way more water content than more black ice type stuff you may be referencing.
Should have stated that my perspective is based on Cascade mountain passes, fire roads, etc.
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Originally Posted by 3PinGrin
They are definitely very good in wet heavy snow has been my experience, and I think you might be onto something with the drier conditions comment. Wetter snow/ice hasn't been much of a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWcement
falken wildpeak at3w has been solid for me all winter on/off highway. if i lived somewhere with snow/ice through the winter i’d upgrade to true winter/summer setup.
I took the studs (Nokian Nordman 7) off early this season and put on some Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws. So far, they've handled snow and some ice fairly well. The studs obviously perform better in wintry conditions, but I haven't had any issues with the Falkens as long as I'm a little more conservative when driving. I live near the top of a pretty nasty hill, so you learn pretty quick if your tires don't handle well in the snow.
I'm actually debating selling off the studs next winter.
Ended up deciding on the Goodyear Wrangler Ultraterrain AT today. They were in stock at the local Discount Tire and have a $50 rebate at the moment. I don't think they're the best tire in the category, but I run the same tires year round and these strike a decent compromise. Drove 12 miles home at about 60 mph and the road noise and ride quality was superb 😆
2012 Tacoma 4x4 FTR, 16 inch rims.
PSA: Discount currently has the Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 (winner of the TireRack test on the previous page) in 265/70R17 121S/E for $163/ea. That's a smoking deal for an E-rated 3PMSF AT truck tire with 18/32 tread depth. I ended up at $806 out the door with installation and sales tax.
eta: Blackwall only, OWL version is an extra $20, if you give a shit, which I don't.
That is a good deal. We have G015s on the wife's rav4. After putting 40k on them, I'm quite satisfied.
If anyone in the Denver area is looking, I have a brand new pair of Ford F150 18" wheels with Wrangler All Terrain Adventure with Kevlar LT 275/65R18 tires on them. Installed, balanced, with TPMS. Good all terrain/all season tire, will sell for cheap. Great way to get a second set of wheels so you can run dedicated rims for snow/summer too.
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Fuck!? If you were in anchorage I’d have bought them. I just bought a set of dynapro atm today. I surely wish I had 18s instead of these stupid fucking 20s. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5325460ae7.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
Still available or already sold?
Still have them, sent you a PMQuote:
Originally Posted by alexshawn210
I didn’t want to add to the Hakka LT3 derail in the RV thread, but it was timely. I’m planning to get a set next month and I’m debating studs. I got my first truck (Sierra 1/2 ton) in February so I’m still new to truck tires.
I get that modern snows have developed to the point that studs are a benefit only in specific limited conditions - ice. But that discussion seems like it’s almost always about P tires, not LT. Does that thinking hold up with the stiffer tire? Nokia obviously invested a lot of R&D into new studs for the LT3.
We live in Helena. Roads in town are usually icy because the city leaves a couple inches of snow under the plow blade, and then we get freeze/thaw cycles. But the highways usually clear off. Our winter driving is primarily around town and Disco or Stemple trips. I wouldn’t drive Arrowroot to the top of the Mount Ascension park without studs but I could take the back way instead.
Thoughts?
Get the studs.Quote:
Originally Posted by evasive_MT
IMO, the disadvantages of studs are mitigated both by Nokian's newer stud tech and the fact that you're driving a pickup—if you're trying to corner hard enough on dry pavement that the studs make a huge difference, you're already in the wrong vehicle. I went with the studs on my LT2s, living in Red Lodge at the time.
I love my Nokia’s studs on my 1Ton. There is such a comforting feeling knowing that I have the best traction possible.
I transition from rain to snow a lot and having studs in that in between time of freezing rain is great.
Think of all those corners you come into that never fully thaw and are iced up. No worries with your studs.
Mine have 2 seasons and 15k Miles on them and they still look good.
I’ve got LT3’s on the brain for my truck this winter
wondering about studs vs no studs for my pdx to hood commute
Guaranteed to drive thru freeze thaw zones But just unsure if studs are truly essential
I like the peace of mind of the studs. I don't see a downside unless you're self conscious about people giving you dirty looks in the valley on April 30th.
I've never run the studless hakkas but guessing you can't go wrong either way.
They are really great for that drive. I had ordered mine studless because I knew we still needed winter tires after 4/15, but they showed up with studs, so I decided it was a sign and ran with them.Quote:
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From late spring through summer to early fall, I now run a snowflake all-season, that still needs the occasional chaining for Timberline Rd. , but works really well in the late spring snows and are still good for towing and sloppy logging roads too; like my in-laws 1 mile driveway.
Between both tires, I would be much less happy and secure running only the non-studded during the winter even though they mountain snowflake rated.
Studs really help on a truck with the less weight on tires. Slip it in 4x4 just out of Rhodi and on you go. They are also awesome in the parking lots.
Mattig is right. The only downside is the occasional dirty look.