Electric Bike Thread

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Many people have offleash dogs in leashed areas and they get along fine (non modified e-bikes). then there are a small percentage of people that have aggressive dogs off leash in leashed areas (modified e-bikes). They do not ban all dogs from these areas when problems arise (all mountain bikes). They just try to enforce the leash law (existing e-bike laws).


Also, im just not a fan of people taking their aggressive dogs out into public and then blaming others for the fights that ensue between their aggressive dog and another fairly innocent dog. Kinda like road rage, yes you may have been cut off accidentally, but that doesnt mean you can go beat the person with a tire iron.

But mainly the first paragraph.

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Just train the off leashed dogs to bite e-bikers. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by muted

If the aggressive dog has bit or killed another dog before, then I see your point.

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Correct me if am wrong, but i believe Doeboedoe described his dog as going apeshit on other dogs who approach it while its leashed.

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Originally Posted by shredgnar

Just train the off leashed dogs to bite e-bikers. Problem solved.

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Now we are getting somewhere!

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Originally Posted by muted

If the aggressive dog has bit or killed another dog before, then I see your point. Otherwise the off-leash owner is a clueless. Means well, but doesn't know shit about dogs.



Shredhead was making a point about e-bikes, keep up.

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Exactly. My dog has never bit or killed another dog before. He's been bit and scarred by off-leash dogs that bite back at him after they run up to him, stick their nose in his butt, and he growls at them. I've had to kick dogs off him that attacked him because he growled at them and ours won't fight back.

You think a dog that is leash reactive doesn't deserve to enjoy hikes because people can't be asked to control their dogs. That's fucked and selfish of you and dog owners who don't follow rules meant to protect their dogs.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Correct me if am wrong, but i believe Doeboedoe described his dog as going apeshit on other dogs who approach it while its leashed.

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I said my dog is leash reactive to dogs that approach him while he is leashed and they are not. Apeshit -- no. He will border collie stalk them, and growl at them if they are big and shove their nose in his ass.

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Originally Posted by doebedoe

Exactly. My dog has never bit or killed another dog before. He's been bit and scarred by off-leash dogs that bite back at him after they run up to him, stick their nose in his butt, and he growls at them. I've had to kick dogs off him that attacked him because he growled at them.

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that behavior is a far cry from what you said before. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by doebedoe

...But my dog was an abused stray in a former life and if your dog is bigger than mine, is off leash and approaches -- shits gonna go down. ....

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

that behavior is a far cry from what you said before. Carry on.

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Not really. I don't think "shits gonna go down" means "my dog is gonna rip your dogs face off".

It's still gonna be a negative interaction and hurt my dogs psyche because someone can't be asked to follow the rules because "their dog is nice, why isn't yours".

Impressive thread drift, wow!

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Originally Posted by GoldMember

Impressive thread drift, wow!

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Its a TGR summer time tradition!

As the OP, I think training your dog to bite eBikers belongs in this thread.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

As the OP, I think training your dog to bite eBikers belongs in this thread.

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I think this is something we can all get behind.

Besides the fact that ebikers should be able to out run them, because all ebikes are modified to beat restrictions limiting them to 20mph.

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Originally Posted by doebedoe

Not really. I don't think "shits gonna go down" means "my dog is gonna rip your dogs face off".

It's still gonna be a negative interaction and hurt my dogs psyche because someone can't be asked to follow the rules because "their dog is nice, why isn't yours".

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Shit wouldn't go down with my dog. He'd hear the growl or sense the aggravation and quickly go on his merry way, almost certainly without getting within 10'. Saying shit WILL go down, implies your dog will attack.

Who is worse for your dog: the owner who allows their happy dog to interact with your dog in a normal manner, though against park rules, or your dogs owner who intentionally and repeatedly exposes him to traumatizing experiences and blames others for causing those traumas?

Pics from the morning coffee. A multi use trail

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Shit wouldn't go down with my dog. He'd hear the growl or sense the aggravation and quickly go on his merry way, almost certainly without getting within 10'. Saying shit WILL go down, implies your dog will attack.

Who is worse for your dog: the owner who allows their happy dog to interact with your dog in a normal manner, though against park rules, or your dogs owner who intentionally and repeatedly exposes him to traumatizing experiences and blames others for causing those traumas?

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Good for your dog then. He's not the type I'm talking about. Hope you never deal with getting an imperfect rescue who deserves love and exercise in the outdoors. I'm talking about the 100# bernie who runs up offleash to my dog, ignoring their owner's commands (or not, "don't worry he's friendly"), ignoring my dogs warning signs and then escalates when my dog growls.

So my dog, who love people, bikes, and is fine with other on-leash dogs -- should never be allowed to go out on long hikes in leashed-areas because other people can't follow rules? Those people are the worse people. Not getting my rescue the exercise he needs as a working breed because people can't be asked to control their animals is bullshit.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Its kinda like forcing your skittish dog to go for a walk at night on the 4th of July in an area where fireworks are "illegal", and then yelling at every group of people you pass by setting off fireworks that they shouldnt be doing that!!

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In this analogy the "illegal" fireworks are "ebikes" and the scolds are people concerned about drought-fueled wildfires... errr, trail access?

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Originally Posted by doebedoe

I said my dog is leash reactive to dogs that approach him while he is leashed and they are not. Apeshit -- no. He will border collie stalk them, and growl at them if they are big and shove their nose in his ass.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

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Yep, a bear.

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You don't have to be faster than the bear, you just have to eBike faster than the bear!!!

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Originally Posted by smartyiak

You don't have to be faster than the bear, you just have to eBike faster than the bear!!!

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Or be the guy on the ebike while your buddies are on MTB's so you're faster than them.

Ya know, I've actually thought about offering to shuttle bikers of any stripe up into the forest about 10 miles away where the cougar brought one down. Go at dusk and I'll give you a special tee shirt.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

Shit wouldn't go down with my dog. He'd hear the growl or sense the aggravation and quickly go on his merry way, almost certainly without getting within 10'. Saying shit WILL go down, implies your dog will attack.

Who is worse for your dog: the owner who allows their happy dog to interact with your dog in a normal manner, though against park rules, or your dogs owner who intentionally and repeatedly exposes him to traumatizing experiences and blames others for causing those traumas?

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If an off leash dog and an on leash dog get into a fight it is always the off leash dogs fault.

Seems like you don't care about anyone except yourself.

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Originally Posted by nest

Point of self aggrandizing foaming at the mouth rant is what?

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Alcohol may have been involved… :redface:

1) Pointing out the hypocrisy and irony. MTNGrl and some others have little clue as to the history of trail access and the effort put in by many (who did far more than I), but that doesn’t stop them from being indignant and self righteous about trail access they feel entitled to.

Mountain bike specific trails are a relatively new phenomenon, many of the best trails (IMO) that exist were built by others and predated mountain biking.

2) Ebikes are coming, no mater how you feel about them, the wave is just starting to break and it is going to be a big one. Taking a fundamentalist approach and digging heels in isn’t going to help or make it go away. Nearly all of the rhetoric is fear/assumption based. Yeah, yeah some trails have been closed to mountain bikes in the past, and it is an ongoing problem with some new potential closures looming. However, there have also been a lot of new trails that have opened up over time, some on public land, some on private, and in the PNW specifically, more are coming. Like many things you have to take the long view.

A proactive approach needs to be developed and discussed by all involved instead of bickering (which I am admittedly part of in this thread). Actual study should replace fear based assumption. For instance, industry supported grants for independent, in depth study as to the true/actual effects of projected ebike traffic on trails, potential conflicts, etc. In the end, if these proposed studies show that the impact is nominal, then we can figure out a way to move forward together. If the studies show that the impact is considerable the risks to public health and safety too high, then land managers will be armed with something other than assumptions for making proper choices. That also means that people buying these products will have a better understanding of how they are impacting their environment and why there are limitations on where they can go.

From a user group standpoint, trying to push ebikes and the people who would ride them away doesn’t build our community, it divides it. And, it’s worth pointing out that many of these people that some would ridicule are in a good place to help, both in terms of income and influence.

Self aggrandizing - pffft, whatever - the point of relating my background is to provide foundation and context for the first statement, I was there, I lived it, otherwise I couldn’t care less if anyone is impressed or not.

[/end rant - and last post on this subject in this thread]

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Originally Posted by GoldMember

Or be the guy on the ebike while your buddies are on MTB's so you're faster than them.

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..and that would be the point in the ride where your battery dies, leaving you 20+ lbs of dead weight.

"Your buddies quickly speed past you, as you struggle up the hill with your new lithium dead weight. As the approaching noise behind you announces your role for tonight's entree, you contemplate why it was a good idea to smoke that last bowl the previous night, and forget to recharge your bike..."

^^ And that's a compelling reason for me not to have an e-bike....let someone else's battery die on them.

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Originally Posted by S_jenks

..and that would be the point in the ride where your battery dies, leaving you 20+ lbs of dead weight.

"Your buddies quickly speed past you, as you struggle up the hill with your new lithium dead weight. As the approaching noise behind you announces your role for tonight's entree, you contemplate why it was a good idea to smoke that last bowl the previous night, and forget to recharge your bike..."

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Or just ditch the battery in the bushes, go home and charge up your spare and ride back to get it the next day.

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