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Shimano motors in most cases, if not all, get swapped for a new one from shimano canada. It was an $80 swap for me and yt just paid the shop. Im not sure if thats standard practice or if it be for the full 2 year motor warrantee window
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was in the dolomites last month, my obs were that ~4 outta every 5 trail riders were ebikers. was told the sella ronde was gonna dial back bike lift ops cuz everyone rides an ebike up in that zone. didnt know Trump had such massive european support.;)Quote:
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Well, the Italians are trending fascist, so this checks out. Lol.Quote:
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Never ridden an eMTB on trails, but I get a free 4-hour demo of a Pivot Shuttle LT tomorrow.
Anything I should be aware of?
It is not a ton of time to drive the bike somewhere and then ride, but my plan is to go moped it up a climb that I'm too weak to ride on my acoustic bike, see how far I can get, and then hammer it back down.
170 170 MX vs 160 160 29er.... FIGHT!
The extra weight on the single track, things you did on your acoustic bike might thro you off like if you try to dab on a side hillQuote:
Originally Posted by singlesline
If you're in the valley, take it over and go up the frontside of Columbia. That's a good one for the mopeds - its pretty much a hike a bike on a regular bike, but it's an easy(ish) cruise up on the ebike. And 4 hours should be enough time to drive over there, bang out a 5k vert climb, ride back down, and drive back (presumably to glacier cyclery).Quote:
Originally Posted by singlesline
Edit: also, embrace lowering your seat a bit on techy climbs. Makes it easier to maneuver, and the loss of leg power doesn't really matter because you've got a motor.
I've had both ( Bullit/ yeti 5.5 ) and I prefered the snappier handling of the Bullit with a mullet .Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
For a full weight/power ebike, I'd take 170. For an "SL" version, I'd take shorter travel. The heavier bikes want to plow regardless, so you may as well have more cushion. Both are fine, but for example if I had to choose between a Heckler and Bullit, I'd take the Bullit.Quote:
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Actualy the Bullit handles really good at low speed like doing feet-up track standy shit around switch backs, it does them better than the 5.5 could do the same turns in spite of more upright angles of the 5.5 and so I just put that down to superiour design by SC
I havent tried the Heckler to compare what on paper should be easier lowspeed handling to the Bullit
3 seasons later the Bullit is still relevant, did i mention I really like the Bullit ?
This one? https://www.trailforks.com/trails/columbia-mountain/Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
I'll take your word for it that it is managable on an ebike.
Otherwise I was probably going to go play around with the uphill on reid divide/boney gulch--not enough time to go much further away.
Yeah, that's the one. The boney gulch zone works too, Columbia's a cooler trail though. There'll be some hikers on the bottom bits of it, but usually it's not too crowded. And it's moto-legal, so no issues there.Quote:
Originally Posted by singlesline
You can also go up the frontside of Columbia (that you linked), and down the backside. That's a great ebike ride, but it takes a little longer, and you have to pedal back through badrock canyon, which kinda sucks. It might be pushing it for your 4 hour window.
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Foot in and keep it pinned!!
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The beauty of them is my 165r/180f mx dh casing tires moped acts as my xc, enduro, commuter, rail trail rainy day cruiser, bike park smasher, exploration beast, grocery getter, or just apres riverside ice cream strange people watcher and quite comfy at all of that. Most of that can be in a single ride. Long travell for sure. If your inseam is 34+ maybe a full 29Quote:
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OMG, BOYS, I POACHED SOME TRAILS!
lol, I rode this thing up a gravel road to the top of Snow King for giggles (I work a concert up there tomorrow) I didn't feel like riding back down the road, so I took the very excellent singletrack home. It was very interesting. Probably 70/71 degree HTA, 60mm of front travel, 50mm tires, tubes, and about 40 pounds. Felt like 1989, no lie. Slowest I have ridden in decades. Had to ride SO light and smooth not to flat. One dude gave me a funny look when I was descending, I said "Forgive me, I got lost on my commute home". He laughed.
No Strava proof.
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Thanks for the suggestion, also for the pro tip on running a lower seat as that did help when the motor was doing the work.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
That thing is still a beast of a climb though. As I told the Pivot rep, the ebike made it easier, but it sure didn't make it easy. No way I would have ever been able to even come close to making it up there on an acoustic bike--which means it is unlikely I would have ever ridden the downhill. Even using Boost mode as much as possible, I was still wiped out by the time I was done.
Very interesting experience--line choice on the climb felt totally different between the much higher speed, less maneuverable bike, and ability to power over things.
There was definitely a learning curve to matching motor power and gearing--most of my prior ebike experience was clunky hub-drive units where gearing doesn't matter much, but with the mid-drive the motor added a lot more at higher cadences.
I also found it very hard to get back on the bike on the uphill if I got stopped or bucked off (which happened more often than I'd care to admit between the short chainstays and motor power). Bike was too heavy to kick off with enough momentum to achieve balance, and it was a delicate balancing act between spinning out the rear wheel or lifting the front wheel. And playing hike-a-bike with a 50lb bike to get to a flatter spot was no fun!
Eventually figured out I could get pretty good results lowering the seat and kicking the bike down to Eco assist for the first 2-3 pedal strokes. Part of me wonders if I had gone with clipless pedals if I would have been able to spin the cranks for power with one foot while dragging the other until I have balance.
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The whole thing gave me a new appreciation for the moped, not that I was in the anti-ebike camp before. I was pleasantly surprised how physical the experience still was (but thankful to have pedal assist for the little uphills at the end when I was drained from the climb and bumpy descent).
Still don't know how I feel about people using ebikes to go FAST on easy/moderate terrain shared with others, but for a ride like this I think it is great. It makes the uphill possible and really doesn't make much difference on the down (bike is heavier, but it was well behaved on the downhill and the weight is less than the difference between my 200lbs and a smaller rider). Between climbs like this and being able to zoom up logging roads in lieu of a car shuttle (or chair lift) I see a ton of value in an eMTB that doesn't involve either being "lazy" or operating at speeds on more XC trails that create conflicts.
^^^ Nice! Glad you made it up there. And yeah, that climb is brutal on a regular bike (it's mostly a push). Much much friendlier on the ebike.
Did that ebike have a walk mode? A lot of them have a button you push that'll motor the bike along at walking speed while you walk next to it. Makes it way easier to hike-a-bike, and it's useful when you stall out and just need to go 50 feet up the trail to get to a good starting spot. But yeah, I guess I've always ridden with clips, and it is true that pedaling with clips helps get the motor spinning while you're pushing off with the other foot.
A climb like Columbia also gets easier with a bit more practice on the moped. Climbing techy trails with the motor is a skillset of it's own that takes some practice. But ultimately that kind of ride is my favorite use case for the ebike - massive, brutal climb to an awesome, extended descent. Stuff that's deep into the type 2 fun category on a regular bike.
Mmm, I looked up the manual and it does in fact have a walk mode. Wish I had known as multiple times I was like “would it be nice if this was a class 2 bike with a throttle right now.
Would have been clutch for changing gears from a stop too as lifting the rear and turning pedals after stalling out was hard with such a heavy bike (and without clips)
The issues you mentioned go away with some practice and technique alterations :)Quote:
Originally Posted by singlesline
Glad you had fun :)
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the tendancy is to be stalled out in the rong gear due to complacency cuz things were going so good until you bobbled then you try to dab on the downhill side of the trail and fall over cuz of the extra 20lbs, still gotta keep shifting and still be in the right gearQuote:
Originally Posted by singlesline
but its still hard work & still a workout assuming one is doing real mtn biking, my 2900 km average spd at the mtb area is only 12kph but when I'm just riding around the golf course I can easily max out the speed
Just got wife’s Levo back with warrantied motor replacement. What felt like belt failure happened mid ride at exactly 4 years 2 weeks from day of bike shop pick up. Add 1 week before the shop’s only Ebike tech was back from vacation. Same tech I get in an argument with50% of the time I’m in there.
I assumed Special Ed (and the shop) were gonna tell me I’m outta luck. Feeling lucky with this one.
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TR on the tech arguments?Quote:
Originally Posted by jm2e
Good deal!
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Well, funny you should ask. Pulled the wheel off last night to mess with the leaky tire. Noticed the power cable wasn’t aligning right to plug in. Turns out the bolt that holds the battery on was gone and my aftermarket bash guard skid plate was the only thing keeping the battery on the bike.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinipenem
To be clear, picked up waranteed bike, did one ride, missing bolt. Big fat bolt.
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