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Originally Posted by Andeh

I just spoke to my insurance agent (Farmers), who happens to also be a mountain biker. He said that until recently, there was no distinction, but about a year ago they started splitting out coverage for ebikes and electric motorized vehicles depending on the classification into personal property. He said different rates depending on Class 1 / pedal assist vs. electric throttle types (Surron). He said the personal property coverage for my Class 1 ebikes as long as they're in my possession (home, auto, or while I'm using them) is $125/yr. Seemed like good value to me considering how freaking expensive these things are. Thanks again for the prompt to look into this.

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Yeah, I think the explosion in people buying commuter/cargo/casual e-bikes and then leaving them locked up outside where they get stolen has led to this. Plus I hear stories about urban landlords not allowing them to be stored inside apartments due to fear of battery fire (most are sketchy Chinese bikes) so they get stolen from bike rooms and back porches too.

Wouldn’t be surprised if high end eMTBs barely move the needle. There’s problem one of them stolen for every 50 hub drive Chinese bikes that get taken.

I tried to go that route, and ask ‘what if it was just the frame that was electric’? But she shut me down really quickly on even broaching it.

jm2e has a point. My buddy had his eMTB stolen and found out that his policy did not cover it. He had some upgrades on the eBike and was able to work the adjuster to claim his "bike parts" stolen. They valued everything but the frame for him. Kinda like the old flying trick, you would be charged to fly with a bike in luggage, but could fly for free with "bike parts", and technically it's not assembled.

The whole bike theft thing has become problematic. The fact that every fentanyl encampment I go by has 25 wheels and 10 bike frames outside it. Around here, sugarhouse and the avenues have bikes stolen every day. When my first went to the U we bought a pawn shop bike and fixed up for his school bike. He had a knife pulled on him when he was going to class and told a homeless guy stealing bikes to stop. It's something I spend too much time thinking about. Ther was an encampment outside my office for a few years that would disappear every general conference and then reappear the next week. Is it compassion to let these people slowly kill themselves in tents on our sidewalks, or is it compassion to arrest and put them into a system that seems to have a 5% success rate at getting clean? The layers to this issue have me doing mental gymnastics. In the interim, if you lock a bike in the city, make sure it isn't the nicest one on the rack. If you have a detached garage, or a communal storage room for bikes at your apartment, know that you will be preyed upon, and the cops won't give a shit.

Well, I mentioned this before but the cops did a test here with brand new SC bikes left out and they were not taken by homeless people. They seem to know it's not a good look to be on a newish bike. I just don't know if a homeless person has the means or capability to deal with a high end bike, so I think it's more capable people ripping off "our" bikes. Just a guess though as idk.

A couple months back several towns away they busted a few guys with a stockpile of stolen decent bikes. No details on what they were doing with them exactly. I've always assumed high end bikes get stripped and sold for parts. Maybe some sell the whole bike somewhere, but it seems like they'd get caught doing so.

Has anyone ever put a GPS tracker on their bike?

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Originally Posted by rideit

I tried to go that route, and ask ‘what if it was just the frame that was electric’? But she shut me down really quickly on even broaching it.

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Really sorry to hear about your bikes. It's worth posting them on bikeindex and 5 to 9 if you haven't already.

I tried on bike index a few times, and it asked me to request an invite to edit a Google doc. I can’t seem to get a reply. Is Royal still doing his thing? I have tried to reach out as well.

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Originally Posted by Canada1

Is it compassion to let these people slowly kill themselves in tents on our sidewalks, or is it compassion to arrest and put them into a system that seems to have a 5% success rate at getting clean? The layers to this issue have me doing mental gymnastics.

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. Neither of these seem compassionate at all to me. Compassion would be offering them as many avenues as possible for forgiveness, growth and self actualization.

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Originally Posted by Canada1

Is it compassion to let these people slowly kill themselves in tents on our sidewalks, or is it compassion to arrest and put them into a system that seems to have a 5% success rate at getting clean?

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It is a form of toxic empathy and it seems to have permiated our entire culture.
It is now wrong, or mean, or hating, to expect people to rise to an acceptable level of civilized society.

GPS tracker on a bike in an urban environment seems like a great idea. Bikes should come with them internally installed so they can't be disabled.

The problem is organized bike thieves who target high end bikes and go town to town as well as random local thieves who break into vehicles often for anything of value. The homeless are rarely a problem stealing nice bikes, they may get lucky and snag a nice one but generally steal anything like huffys and schwinns and some may have lots of spare bikes to fix theirs and others or are just crazy hoarders. Some of you with lots of bikes should be able to relate, no?Everyone here IMO should have gps trackers like an airtag inside your bike and as stating the obvious - never leave anything in vehicles if you live or visit places like PDX/Seattle/SLC/ etc, or staying in any hotels anywhere ever. Which reminds me I haven't added a tag to my new bike...

AirTags are kind of useless unless you see it moving right away and can give immediate chase. High end bike thieves are wise to them and will locate and toss the tag pretty quickly. Apple alerts for them are sort of self defeating. Better to get a gps tracker , at least it won’t show up on the thief phone as nearby. If you can find a secret cavity on the bike that would be best

Organized thief gangs here are local and have impressive intel networks on which garages have the pricey bikes.

You are def right about airtags as they are the ones that aren't discreet anymore, I shoulda remembered and edited that out.

My 4iiii power meter on my gravel bike has Apple Find My built into it. My road bike has an Air Tag under the bottle cage with security Torx bolts holding it on. They are pretty discrete, but add some height to the bottle cage. Ive watched a bunch of videos where they show degraded signal from inside the frame, inside fork steerer, or in seat posts.
For my other bikes I think Im going to buy some Lezyne Matrix Air Cages that has the air tag holder built into the bottle cage. I know there are all kinds of 3D printed stuff out there to hold an Ait Tag, but thats a decent bottle cage, and its pretty descrete.

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Summer is the worst season!! Effff
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I can tolerate the rain and heat, but nearly a month straight of 70+ degree dew point is taking a toll.