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I would think all that grass would just slow down the strava times, localy the main builder will put shit on the trail to stop braiding and some wanker will move it back, builder will put it back on the trail, strava dude will pull it WAY off into the woods
A - then you shouldn't be riding.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironhippy
B - ride thru the water/mud so it doesn't expand the shitshow beyond the isolated location
I’m currently in a three year battle with some tool on the Hagen Trail. Each time I drag more and more shit, they remove it. So now I am looking at more creative ways.
One year over in the Big Holes, there was a similar issue. Someone cut down a live Doug Fir, left the trunk as long as possible, and ‘planted’ it in the hole that had been dug. dug.
It seriously just looked so natural, people quit trying to cut the turn. Someone might need to go and do this, and possibly put in a carsonite post or something with a post hole tool.
Understand and agree, just offering reasons as to why it could happen.Quote:
A - then you shouldn't be riding.B - ride thru the water/mud so it doesn't expand the shitshow beyond the isolated location
Thats a whole other battle we have after a bunch of storms come through. The "we didnt do any damage" crowd comes out in force on the first sunny day and instead of riding through the middle of mud/wet sections they try to go around them only to find going wider just as muddy. So then the next guy goes even wider, and riders after keep going wider and wider with same result. Ive posted pics of the resulting mess earlier in this thread or the dig thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
It's an education thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by evdog
We have the kooks coming in from over the hill looking to rent from the Specialsauce experience center and thankfully they tell them to kindly f-off because it's too wet. Then their panties get in bunch because of it. That's just ignorance.
So many think trails just magically appear and are magically maintained as well.
It's also just a location thing. There are plenty of places where riding in the wet is a non-issue. There are plenty of places where the trails ride considerably better when they're wet.
It's hard to get messaging and education on the issue to stick when it's location dependent.
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Good point. We have one local small area that is sand based and great when wet, but virtually nobody knows about it and it does connect to where you should not be riding when wet.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
And 80-90% of our trails back east can handle being ridden when wet, but 80-90% of the riders can't handle riding wet rock [emoji23]
Back in the day, we’d ride a single track loop in Marin rain or shine without a second thought. There would be some ruts but they wouldn’t last long into riding season. Since covid crazyness overran it , it gets closed down by the caretaker org when a dog pees near it now. I do think geography has a lot to do with whether it’s ok or not to ride a trail wet. There just weren’t nearly as many riders in the past to fuck it up…or complain about rutsQuote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
There's also a difference in wetness in the season. A rainy day (or even week) in August will cause slippery, wet roots here. A wet day in early May or late November will cause areas to be unrideable and will leave ruts (as well as slippery roots).We had a trail system that was hand built on mostly rock. It was always rideable. The local cycling club has since reworked and added a number of new machine built trails, these are dirt based and need to be closed for the freeze thaw in the fall and won't open until everything else is dry in the spring.
I disagree, we are all mostly riding near our houses every day and should know whats best for our trails and when its too wet. The problem with ruts in Utah is not a mass influx of PNW riders visiting, its a local issue of not caring. As the great MTB writer Mike F. once told me - Mountain bikers are assholes. Thats the main problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
The other issue is lack of etiquette passed down from old fucks to the new fucks. I cant eloquently explain it but it used to be some friend would take you under his wing and explain everything you need to know. That still exists for sure but Id guess these days many - not all of course - newbs learn the sport thru YouTube and TikTok now.
Locally, a metric crapton learn via NICA, which is all about coaching how to act on the trail as it is how to ride on the trail.
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Originally Posted by muted reborn
The pic I posted above (and the ones below) are from the same local riding area. Riders know what the dirt is like and that there are a few trails to avoid when wet. A lot of them just dont give a shit. When they do come to a muddy spot theyll go wide thinking they can keep their bikes clean that way. Instead it turns out to be just as bad or worse. What is mind boggling is that more and more riders come through and do the same thing, with the same result. Now youve got a mess thats 12-15ft wide like in the pic below. If these morons would just stay on the trail it will eventually dry up and we wouldn't be left with a huge eye sore. Every single wet area has the same thing happen.
https://www.habventures.com/photos/D...15427_1280.jpg
Unfortunately we have the same problem anywhere rocks poke out of the tread. Pic below was 12-18 inch wide singletrack to begin with. Riders keep migrating into the grass to avoid the itty bitty rocks that poke out of the tread. Now this trail is a road. Congrats, assholes.
https://www.habventures.com/photos/D...41361_1280.jpg
I saw that on an ATV/old logging road near my house. What started as a seasonal puddle you could avoid turned into a road wide mud bog because the ATVs refused to slow down. The ATVs slow down now because they have to, fortunately I moved and no longer need to ride the trail. It'd be interesting to see what it's like now 10 years later.
Apparently handlebars on kid's bikes come in two diameters; normal adult size (22.2mm), and a smaller diameter that's 19mm, which makes sense since kids have small hands. Except grips for the smaller size are basically non-existent, and unsurprisingly my kids destroy grips. Any online search for 19mm grips just yields tons of shitty Amazon links to grips that are not actually 19mm.
Funn appears to be the only company making actual 19mm grips, but I think the ones they make are too long to fit on my kid's bar. We'll see.
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SDG makes 19mm kids grips too.
Thats awesome. Many kids here will learn thru them too, these kids are everywhere. I wonder if they teach the enjoyment of getting a stick to make a channel to drain a puddle off the trail? Most times it does't take long to do. Its satisfying when on an out-and-back and see almost all the water gone from a puddle on your way back. I feel like Im the only one - or on the flip side everyone does it way before I ride the trail, ha. Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by rideit
Evdog thats ridiculous!
I will often do this when I am out. Moreso when I'm hiking. Creek running down the trail? Often it just takes a little work to move a few rocks that are preventing things from flowing off-trail. 5 minutes later the problem is pretty much gone. I know this probably is not a long-term solution, but I feel like it helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted reborn
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I think they mostly teach them to ride in groups of 20, sprint like mad for 200-300 yards and then all stop in the middle of the trail for a few minutes. </p>
SharedSkittles, me too. Its not like we are heros saving trails but a little work helps.
ZZZ, but they all say thank you have a good ride when you pass them or they pass you over and over and over...did you see todays announcement of the new NICA racing trail near Snowbasin? Sounds like a great trail but it will be your worst nightmare, ha.
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And built by Alan Wheelright. So it will be 7 miles of way too many switchbacks that feels like its uphill both directions. Awesome. But hey, maybe it will contain a ton of NICA kids and they wont be spread all over the good trails? </p>
I think I’ve still got some leather strips if you want to make some retro grips. Fits any size bar!Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
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ODI lockon are probably the slimmest adult sized grips so i use a 27$ work glove with big knuckle strip for riding which protect and last forever
ODI have 2 lock rings on each grip so if junior is dropping the bike on the bar the outer end ring protects the grip
I like them because I transport my bike on its side in a PU also tagging trees in the singletrack destroys grips
Rant in a picture:
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Approaching this at trail speed from the opposite direction is terrifying. Our new-ish trail crew lead’s wife/gf is extreme novice but this is ridiculously more dangerous at trail speed having handrails, looks wider in my pic than it really is given that first branch bows out.
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^^^ Good rant. Especially for a not particularly high bridge like that, that doesn't really need railings at all. There are a few bridges in my vicinity that have railings that are barely wide enough to fit bars through. I hate them passionately.
Fortunately it looks like you could just lean against them and break the whole railing down.
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I think the rail posts will have a visit from Mr Sawzall pretty soon if the builder doesn't take care of it. Have seen at least a few others constructively complain. I don't get the mentality of sanitizing everything to meet your skillset mentality?!?!
Trail I regularly ride at another trail system has a log bridge probably 10-12" wide elevated 6'+ above a rocky creekbed that I usually skip riding and pull over and walk it. Lost art I suppose is getting off and walking something rather than sanitizing everything.
The only sort of catch I'd want on a bridge like that would be a "kickboard" style lip along the outside, maybe 2" high. Just enough to stop the front tire from sliding off when riding it in the wet.
Clearly you're supposed to manual across it.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTskibum
I want nothing. Commit to going off if you're going. A curb could throw you and not the bike. I want the bike with me to absorb impact...potentially. and wet bridges...just slow down...that's a losing proposition most of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andeh
My chainsaw would rant the shit out of those railings.
I just re-read that. The lead trail builder!? This isn't a hiking trail!? Maybe he's trying to kill the wife/gf
Well my buddy has become a quad trying to cross a bridge petty much like that one so the rails could have saved him we don't know if he passed out or was just not great mtn biker but thats what happened
Yeah the rant pluck Shimano North America they would not sell me a new EP8 motor for my Eeb
meanwhile an LBS bloke in england tells me he can get EP8s in 3 days so the product is not obselete
Shimano North America just sucks dead goats SO pluck Shimano North America
IME do not buy an Eeb with the Shimano motor
He's your buddy and you don't know if he could ride a MTB decently or not? And thats how he was injured? Are you sure you know him?Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I know a guy who became a quad also. He ripped and was a trailbuilder. Sent a huge drop and that was it. Years ago now when the tech/geo wasn't nearly as good. He gets outs to the trails on his AWD wheelchair...with help.
He doesnt really remember what happend he wonders if he passed out which is why he crashed I think he got a concussion broken nose the rescue guy who packaged him out said he was heading down the trail but i hear he was heading up the trail so nobody really knows
he got medevaced to vancover came back 6 months later I think I only ever ridden real mtn bike with him once once mostly he would ride an old mtn bike on the roads so buddy was not a real mtn biker but what is decent so I would say it wasnt really his thing he was with his daughter
I have skied a bunch with him, even got in an avalanche
I have 3 buds who are quads from mtn bikes one was from trying to send jumps at whistler one who had a front wheel colapse and this guy who met his fate on a super easy bridge like the one in the picture
Ah, mtb is dangerous AF. Shit happens so quick.
My elbow is bleeding/leaking puss thru my bandage onto my shirt as I type this from a really stupid otb yesterday [emoji16]. Came into berm way to hot for the loose conditions and thought I could blast thru/over the redwood shrubbery on edge of tree. I failed. That shit is firm...like steel firm. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...cb4de1ce65.jpg
What you failed is to wear protection I wear knee sleeves elbow pads helmet always
Overstated his very much volunteer trail maintenance coordinator “position” that no one else ver really wants. This is the 2nd most visited state park in PA (900k annually at Marsh Creek supposedly), but there is no trail organization, which can be good and bad. We do get good bit of help trimming overgrowth mid summer on once NICA teams start riding officially.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
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I wear knee pads always. Sometimes a helmet [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
The mix and match lumber and natural doesn't work, that thing is hideous. If it was me I'd cut the uprights down to about 2ft high and reattach the railings. That way they would be below anyone's handlebar height but you could still say the railings are there.