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Originally Posted by bodywhomper
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You can't take out the second row of seats if you want to haul a lot of shit.</p>
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The MPG isn't nearly what they advertise. My son gets 31-32 mpg driving 70 on the highway in his. If you drive a lot of in-town, it's decent.</p>
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The 4-cylinder is a dog and the electrons don't offer much help.</p>
Thoughts on the Kia Carnival hybrid? Looked at one at the dealer and it seemed pretty darned nice actually. Dealer was ghetto AF so not interested in getting one there, but wondering how these things are shaking out reliability-wise now that they've been out for a little bit.
Also been seeing more and more of the VW ID Buzz's around town, and I gotta say. I kinda want one! Yeah they're overpriced and the range is garbage for the money, BUT could be a great city family hauler! Personally, I like the looks. Wife wants one! Post-inevitable mass depreciation, that is. Haha.
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The mpg is really nice compared to our oh-six. We get about one-eight mpg.
Ive heard the complaint about the lack of power, especially compared to the older v-six sienna’s. I think it’d still be our fastest vehicle (sad face). It was difficult to tell how bad it would be during the brief test drive.
I don’t like the second row, thing. I’ve seen a vid of the workaround, which is not simple or quick.
Car payments give me cold feet. The fact that our oh-six runs very well but has lots of breaking things, like doors, makes me want to move on before a door falls off, won’t open, or won’t close all the way.
The v-six is nice.
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Thinking it's time for me to casually start looking for a really affordable older AWD Sienna. I think my pos Caravan is reaching the end of being able to justify solving its foibles</p>
The Odyssey is really good too, GL. Not sure how they stack up price wise on the used market
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I've been considering these lately as well. I haven't been in one yet, so I'll be eager to hear your thoughts. The neighbor has a Carnival he likes, but it's from pre-hybrid. The one thing that annoys me is that it doesn't appear that you can get roof rails on the base model and you can't get 17 in wheels on any of the other models.</p>
Brownski - If I'm going to replace it it's gonna be AWD unless it just comes down to dollars then another Caravan would probably happen. The utility of the thing is just unbeatable, it gets mid-size car mpg and it's not horrible to drive (when it runs as well as it can). That and I have a pile of parts. Lol
I stopped and looked at the Carnival last night. it looked nice. I'd be curious how easy the middle seats are to remove, though I know they're intentionally removable unlike the Siennas. Seemed like a ton of space with the rear seats folded down and was finished pretty nicely. I didn't drive it. it did feel notably larger than our Transit Connect, so I wonder how my wife would feel driving it. We're replacing our small car, but I'd be tempted to get a road trip/gear hauler van and then just replace the current van with something fun or off road worthy, as if we had a very efficient van, the second vehicle could be purely a second car.
I’m partial to Toyota because our go-to local indie mechanic, which I like a lot, only works on Toyota’s. Our secondary mechanic is agnostic.
We have three vehicles with two drivers, which we went with after having one vehicle totally down, a second vehicle that was limping, and we live in the sticks. Current: older fwd sienna, older Land Cruiser, and older awd matrix. The matrix came from a friend who helped us a lot on the cost. Hybrid minivan would by far be the best mpg of our fleet.
Eventually, we will replace the matrix with a compact awd hybrid or e-car. Hopefully, it’ll be a practical but fun to drive vehicle.
We will also replace the LC at some point with something having similar capabilities for off-roading, ability to drag a loaded utility trailer, and reliability. Wouldn’t mind better mpg. Also, wouldn’t mind a four x four that we could live out of for long periods of time.
Our three kids will likely all be driving in the next two years, so that should be interesting.
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We have probably gone over this before but my brain is broken... If a guy wanted to look at an AWD Sienna up to about 2015 what years are better than the rest? </p>
Explains the platforms
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Sienna
I'd love a Sienna, that you can take out the back seats and tow a respectable 5k lbs. I'll probably never see it in the US.
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So in that 3rd gen when you take out the middle seats the floor isn't flat? How much height is lost with that track still on the floor? Will a mt bike without the front wheel still stand up? I don't need to tow but I will have a rack that ends up around 200 pounds loaded. </p>
What a pain in the ass trying to find an AWD Sienna that's not hammered or crazy overpriced. I mean, the Toyota tax is understood but geez, $10k vans are 20. Fuk.
It would help if you didn’t consider paying for durability and reliability a “tax”. ;)
I think his point is that the extra cost for durability and reliability reflected in the used prices are overinflated.
If you use the fwd models so they are a direct comparison to the competitors the tax is understood and not really a problem. When the price is double, or more for AWD, it becomes onerous and when it is that high for a POS just because it is a Toyota (or Honda) it is annoying on other levels especially when you travel a fair distance to see it. I am working on mentally committing to spending $5k, or more, above what (I feel) one is actually worth because I need what it has to offer. I could probably make it work if I shoot for lower level models so for those that have now or have had a Sienna would you miss some of the nice things the upper trims have? I spend 40+ hours a week in my car during my high season and after a few years in a stripper model Dodge I want things that make the environment a nicer place to be.
This is how we ended up buying a new sienna. The used market is so inflated for those things, a ~7 year old sienna with 70k miles was going for $4k less than I could buy a brand new one for.Quote:
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Not minivan related, but my neighbor is shopping for a used vehicle for his kid. He said he found a gem - a 2002 Tundra, ext cab, 4WD, around 60K miles, one owner, very clean.
$19K.
It's got to be one of the most reliable trucks made, and that's a great find, but still - for a 23 year old truck...
I’m not gonna argue that the used market is nuts. But there’s a reason a used Sienna or Odyssey costs a lot more than a Caravan. And AWD is relatively new and they didn’t make many especially early on so there aren’t a ton out there. Desirability and supply are making Toyotas expensive, though I suppose “tax” is an appropriate way to describe the upcharge.
I also don’t disagree that it’s BS, it’s the reason we’ve bought our past three cars new. But it’s been the case for a decade+ now and doesn’t appear to be letting up, so plus side is that there’s a great chance you get to overcharge when you sell.
My 2011 Sienna is getting long in the tooth. We love having it as our spare beater vehicle but it's definitely showing signs of neglect. Weve gotten 12 years with it, but we definitely turned it into a beater 5 years ago. As much as our 2016 Highlander annoys me, it's dependable and gets driven the right amount to stay limber without wearing out. I'd love to get 10-15 years out of it. We've already hit 5 and its in better shape than the Sienna was at the same point. Downside is that it will need both front lower control arms eventually as the bushings are worn, but still pass inspection. That's not a cheap job on a Highlander because of the labor involved. Genius engineers. I could get good money for it in sale or trade but I don't want a second car payment anytime soon.
So buying new (and dealing with buying a car at a dealership - I hate the haggle and shit from car dealers), is it worth buying new if the closest dealer service garage is over an hour away? I’m working six days a week this winter (sometimes more). I generally don’t have time to drive to and from the dealer service garage.
Otherwise, we’re looking at CarMax.
Another question: leather seats. How durable will they be compared to fabric and pleather ones, if not conditioned, treated nicely, etc.? How to they hold up to wet?
Found one! Gonna go back in the morning and try to nail the deal. It's a 2017 XLE AWD with 76k.
Well, that one failed. Next...!
Can't speak to wet, or at least not wetter than some kids in damp swimsuits, but we have a 2013 Sienna, ~110k miles, and haven't done shit to try to protect the leather and it's held up perfectly (other than grime from over a decade of kids in it that we can't get completely out, but haven't tried that hard). It does live in a garage FWIW.Quote:
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Leather has been holding up well for me in the 2013 sienna. Some cracking on the driver and passenger armrests. Never garaged, in NorCal so mild winters and blazing summers (though the parking spot at home is shaded).
My manager is in her mid 30s (I'm guessing) and super bummed out that she is likely going to get a minivan for her next car. I told her that all my dirtbag friends loved them because you can fit in skis, bikes etc. This did not convince her. Then I pointed out the wonderful convenience of being able to put sheet goods inside. This also did not convince her haha.
Ive run into several professional women that have some sort of psychological hangup on owning a minivan. Its generally a form over function issue. I suspect vanity is the main culprit. Cause minivans kick the ass of everything else for their functionality. I wish that Mazda would come back out with something like their old Mazda 5 which was basically a small station wagon minivan. We rented one of those in Florida many moons ago and it was pretty much the perfectly functional vehicle.Quote:
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90% of the people I know that are psyched on minivans are male. The legions of moms dropping their kids off at daycare / school in land yacht SUV's when they would very clearly be better served by a minivan is kind of the embodiment of middle class suburban America.Quote:
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Drove my little Mazda 5 to work today!Quote:
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MicroVan still kickin ass as Family Town Beater. Three pedals, even. It'd be the best car ever if it had AWD... alas.
Mazda is *THIS* close to having the perfect vehicle if they would make an AWD CX-5 with sliding rear doors. Maybe box the back end off a bit more for more cargo space...Quote:
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I like a boxy back end.
Thanks for the responses about sienna leather upholstery.
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TBF, this is sexist as hell, but if I see a guy with a minivan, I'm like "here's someone who knows what's up" and if I see a woman with a minivan, it's "cool, a mom-mobile." I guess I'm kind of an asshole.Quote:
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Still looking...
A few times now I've noticed that there's no mention of Android Auto or any Android integration with the head unit in the Gen 3 Sienna. Is that right?
Has anyone found a decent forum for Siennas? I found a few but they pretty much suck.