So where is T1 exactly?
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So where is T1 exactly?
T1 is directly south of gondi, the rocky peak about a 15 minute boot hike. From gondi you can see T1 north side runs, they don't start at the peak but down the ridge. T1 south is the other side.
Oh right… I forgot that’s Terminator ridge, which you showed me when I was there. I think they used that face a few years back when they had to cancel Hakuba and did 2 events at Kicking Horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougW
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T1 North (truth and dare) were used for the Japan stop. T1 south (Super Bowl) has been used for the 4 star event.
That's a bummer. I'm sure there'll still be some entertaining skiing, but the T1 south venue looks kinda lame.
Why can't I place bets? It's still an hour till the start but the site is saying I'm too late.
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Originally Posted by nordekette
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What a shame. I guess everyone is competing on the same face so it’s a level playing field, but this venue and these conditions are kind of underwhelming
Sweet run by Turdell. How in the heck did Ross Tester keep that together???
Palm's double backie was a lot prettier than the last one. Super clean.
And connected to some serious riding in serious terrain. Pretty sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Maxime takes it switch into the finish... that was such an awesome little touch on top of a great run. Serious style with that cork 7.
As always, super impressive skiing from the men. Good to see Turdell back on form - that dude makes marginal conditions look so damn easy. Also thought the judging was pretty spot on this time around.
That venue kinda sucked. It's not really in the same category as the even the lesser European venues. But seriously impressive that they managed to scramble and move the whole operation 2 ridgelines over on 24 hours notice and still get the live feed up and running.
Edit: also a huge bummer that Navarro and Gorek didn't make the cut. It seems like the new format places a lot of emphasis on the smaller venues that favor the freestyle guys. So then by the time the tour gets to the legit big mountain venues, the guys that do well on big mountain venues have been cut. So that's kinda dumb.
The mens and woman’s skiing was really fun to watch, even though that face was fairly tame, they made some great runs. This may be an unpopular opinion, but the snowboarding was boring as hell, both men and woman.
Judges did a solid job for the most part but I thought Gorak was underscored - you could tell he wasn’t very happy about it.
What I liked about Maxime’s run is it was both freestyle but he also kind of flashed the face at the same time too. He was going fast.
So true. The tour is favoring the freestyle guys more and more. Not only with the venues but also judging. No complaints on the judging for this stop. But tricks seem to have become part of the line score, where as it used to be the actual line and throwing tricks into that line was just a bonus. I’d really like to see a big mountain face in the early stops. Even the ozone face is more jib oriented. Hopefully they get at least one comp in decent conditions this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
It was fun to watch though from the side was good but I think from base would have been better. From the side you could really tell how fast a lot of them were going.
Yeah I thought the same. I especially couldn't understand how Slemett placed higher than Gorak with that backslap three and loss of control.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Yeah, I mean, Ross Tester had an incredible recovery that was awesome to watch (seriously check out the zoomed in replay it’s kind of insane that he didn’t eat shit) but he still slid on his ass for 1-2 turns and only scored a few points less. Reminded me of Kaj Z aka the flying squirrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spooky
Judging in real time with only one replay like that has to be so difficult, however.
FWIW, It's really interesting to watch it with Thing #2 and hear his comments about runs, judging, conditions, lines, competitors. Often it's a completely different take on things than I have, or would expect to hear. All the North Americans we grew up with for years through juniors, and many are still his homies. Lots of love and stoke, and a critical and experienced eye. Always surprising.
Man, Maxime's backie was huuuuge.
I think Maxine was third… the rest of it was correct.
Great show on tough conditions… big ups to that event crew for the pivot
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haven't watched it all but my inittial reaction is that it should be made clear there will never be extra points given for rotations beyond 360 degrees. Its gonna become another stupid aerials contest.
Maxime clearly deserved to win. Everybody knew or expected it when Maxime skied switch through the gates. Made the best of the somehow mini golfy venue and the shitty snow. The few big mountain features were kinda cramped to get to and to land, so smart tactics to skip that if you can compensate with high level trickery. His full throttle freestyle run was, like already in Andorra, jaw dropping.
His run was a cool slopestyle run. I hate that's the direction it's moving. This is supposed to be about all terrain all conditions but instead they moved it to better conditions for more rotations. Fuck that.
What about the second part of his run. Looked he went from a 720 over to a rough line through the trees pretty much straight lined it hits a big kicker throwing layout backflip into Mach loony. Or did I miss something?Quote:
Originally Posted by powdork
It was just better than the rest. And a hell of a thing to watch. One false move and he leaves in a chopper
Trickery being judged higher than features has always digested sour among athletes.
I won’t say who should have won. It’s not my place. But I get the two sides of the debate.
Thank you for the comp. And thank you for the feed.
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Watch it again. He charged that face and just happened to throw in some extremely stylish tricks. While I agree that no extra points should be awarded for more than one rotation, what I liked about his cork 7 is how smooth and pretty it was, and the same goes for the monster backflip. He absolutely stomped all of his landings.Quote:
Originally Posted by powdork
Same goes for Palm’s double backflip. I thought the first one was a little awkward but this one had way more style and looked cleaner.
Winning run POV...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emgHHARMESQ
Everyone competing is throwing threes and backflips now. Harder, or creative/different tricks are going to be rewarded.
A part of me doesn't like that it's changing to more Slopestyle influenced competition but that's progression and it's probably safer overall. That mega rowdy extreme ski shit is dangerous and it's not exactly a good thing to reward those that throw themselves way out there risking their lives like that.
I was specifically referring to Palm outscoring Turdell. Same exact run but Palm had two bobbles along with 2 rotations so he scored higher. On a windlip into a huge open field of no riskQuote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
I thought Chabloz' run was probably the winner but the 720 just looked stupid IMO and I hate to see the sport moving there. A big clean 720 in a higher risk zone (like his 3 up top) would be different than something spun superfast to say he got an extra rotation.
It was a shitty venue, and most of the bigger airs had flat landings. Can't really be surprised when that results in a spin it to win it kind of competition. And Maxime's spinning was pretty clearly better than everyone else's.
Ah ok. I also liked Turdell’s run more than Palm’s - he makes it look so effortless.Quote:
Originally Posted by powdork
The second any tricks bumps a score over a simple air, it's a rating of the degree of difficulty. Never once have I gotten an impression that they judged a pretty backflip differently than a less pretty one. It's always how big and how clean. That's all they care about. FWT Judging is so contrary to having a Freestyle event because they punish any control issue severely. You can try whatever you want, but you better fucking land it clean, or your career is on the line.
Contrast this with Natural Selection Tour judging. Trying something difficult seemed to be what was most prized with their "overall impression". Stick a 9, but crash somewhere else, no big deal. That's the way it needs to be for freestyle or everyone would just be hucking backies... like FWT. Let people take risks, over the whole run. FWT has to do what they have to do to prevent death basically, but it's no slopestyle.
But ultimately telling the best kids in the world how to ski is lame. Shit changes, but they rip.
Edit to say I also liked Turdell over Palm. But if style matters...
I don't think this comp is a sign at all things are moving to a tricks-only FWT. As Toast said, "Can't really be surprised when that results in a spin it to win it kind of competition" because any smart rider would do a trick-line to make the cut and not risk it all with a crash off a big cliff to flat landing or tracked out landing. No need for hand wringing IMO as the final two venues will mix classic BM riding and tricks together as it should be.
I mean its superbowl at KH, not a ton of fall line features so way more entertaining seeing some new tricks and cool links, Craig Murrays line was so dope and really wish he had held onto that as he probably had more in the bag later on. As said above you basically have to stomp whatever trick you toss perfectly or your score is tanked no matter what so its pretty cool to see some harder tricks coming into comps and getting stomped clean.
It would be sick to see some truly gnarly faces in the comps but danger aside it seems really hard to get conditions to pull it off. Ozone North would have been a super cool venue for a comp with a much higher big mountain vibe then almost all of the venues on the tour now.
I know the judging is different now, but I go back to line score guiding the rest of the scoring.....
Turdell and Palm skied over more exposure and hit some cliffs with technical aspects to them. Palm hit the same wind lip and threw a big trick too.
Maxime also had 2 small bobble that the other two on the podium didn't
The 7 was smooth. The linking of windlip to windlip was cool. Just not what I would have scored the top run. I still had him on the podium.
It’s coming….Quote:
Originally Posted by LSeed
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How much more snow are they going to need to make that skiable? Any in the forecast?
^^ Is that a thin Bec de Rosses?
Unpopular Opinion here but, I feel like safer lines done with style and more technical tricks is a better look for the sport. Putting higher values on the more death defying and dangerous lines isn't a great look. Still, a part of me agrees and I can't help to feel a little annoyed by the fact that this gives the kid that's grown up in a ski town, generally more privileged and trained their entire life for free skiing the upper hand compared to the soulful dirtbag with a dream and a big heart but that's life and it's always been a factor with skiing or any other professional outdoor adventure sports. Skiing is now gymnastics, or at least it is with airtime but that's progression and things change. My ego wants to reject that since I don't have those skills but then I'd be pretty lame :D