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cross post from the SF110 thread: For science!
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SF100 mounted at -1 from rec, so 4.2 from center. SF100s and MF100s (mine are mounted +3 from rec) are 100% not the same ski with different constructions - they are different both with respect to shape (widest points), rec mount, flex pattern and construction (most notably titanal in the SFs). The rocker lines seem fairly similar though. The ski kinda differently too - SFs are looser, softer and easier to play around on, SFs have more umph and want to go straight / in big arcs. Both release the tails easily. It kinda feels like they took the BO98 and tweaked it into both a playful charger and a more park oriented playful all mountain ski, while upping the soft snow capability of both versions. I reset the edges at 1/2 on both - the tunes were not great. These should cover a huge range of skiers - very very good skis.
Haha holy shit the 118s are so fun. What a crazy ski. Like everything you’d expect based on the shape and mount point is just completely wrong but in the best way
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What are your thoughts between the MF one hundred vs BO ninety eight?Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
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Was on my BO 118 the other day in Revy in about 3" of fresh and were still an absolute riot in the trees and flew through the afternoon groomer crud with ease.
Very glad I have a backup set and pondering a second backup as I see great deals on them still and like the graphics better than the SF 118. Lack of AirTip a plus for damping noise too I think.
Heh, it's like the Matrix/Neo meme:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth
What if I told you...that a 118 waisted ski with a super progressive mount point and a mile of tip and tail rocker destroys crud and rails carves on firm snow?
Ha yeah. They’re kinda ridiculous. I’m a massive fan of Bibby Pros and now I’m trying to figure out how these things fit in a quiver with those. Maybe slightly less soft snow oriented?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
I was skiing steep somewhat grabby chop, icy moguls, and groomers today and they performed well everywhere, especially for their width. At first I felt like the mount was reeeally far forward but never had any issues with tip dive or hooking
Snagged a set of cheap used BO118s in 186. Ive always been hesitant to pull the trigger on this ski as it only straight pulls 184cm, but the low price lured me in. Im 6 foot 2, 200lbs and my daily driver is a 2014 Billy Goat 186, my charger is a 189 asym BG, and my chalky/hardpan/groomer ski is an M-Free 118. Holy hell the BO118 is badass! It instantly bumped the m-free 118 out of the chalky/hardpack/groomer slot. I serisouly havent ripped a ski that good on groomers since I raced 20+ years ago. Not to mention the fact that it rampages like a dog with two dicks on chalky snow and totally mutes out chatter on the worst refrozen steep mank imaginable. If Rossi ever releases a longer version, it might be the one ski to rule them all. The 186 (184) doesnt just doesnt have the stability for full send or enough float in deeper snow. Im thinking something that straight pulls around 188-189ish. I would buy the shit out of that ski at full retail price. Until then, the BGs reign supreme, but a longer BO118 has potential to be the ultimate.
Bought some used BO118s last night and skied them today in the sidecountry on some tracked up pow, windblown shit, frozen crust and week old untracked pow. I'm definitely impressed, it handled the questionable snow better than the J Ski Hotshot and much better than the Rustler 11 192s - but my Rustlers always sucked in shit snow.
I'm a bit worried about going over the bars at full speed but I also need more than 2 runs on it to figure them out. Thanks guys for hyping this ski up.
Got the non-eights in a one eight [emoji638]. They are a fun, chargy ski. Super poppy, stable, and a really impressive carver.
I mounted on the line. It’s slightly forward for my liking. I may remount one or two cm back. Even with that, it’s a great ski. Kind of wish it was a one eighty four or one eighty six. Don’t quite want a one ninety two in this ski, but I’m contemplating it more and more..
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Bit of an emoji nightmare on this site for posts but most directional skiers on the BO 118 are about -2cm from the line if around 150-160lbs, -2.5cm if around the 175lbs(I am that with my set and it is perfect there) and 200lbs plus are around the -3cm from rec or so. Ski is still plenty playful behind the line and very forgiving of mount points as are the rest of the Blackops/Sender Free lines and MFree 112 as well. Much better float, carving ability and stability back from the line.
Yeah my pair is like -0.5 due to making the bindings work in existing holes but seems like these would ski just fine further back. I don’t really wanna make a 3rd set of holes but if given the option I’d put them at like -2 from the line. I lean towards directional skiing but most of my skis are in the -5-6 range from center so I’m not a -11 type of guy
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Skied the BO118 right after Bibbys in similar conditions so got a bit of a back to back comparison. BOs definitely want to pull you into a turn and go across the hill more than Bibbys. Overall they’re a bit less chattery in firmer snow and poppier/jibbier. Both skis carve surprisingly well but BOs are the winner there.
Was instantly surprised how different they felt from one another, yet both do the same stuff extremely well
I feel like the BO will be my go to ski for days I’m skiing bowl laps at highlands. I think it’s more manageable in firm snow than the Bibby for getting through mogul chokes back to the lift and feels like a bit less ski.
I still like the Bibby more overall though for a 118 waisted ski. It floats better and is more versatile for different turn sizes in soft conditions. BO is like a fat all mtn ski vs Bibby is a highly capable pow ski
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Had the 184cm Bibby and the heavier build post 21 190cm 118 Wildcats and got the BO 118s the year after getting the 118 Wildcat.
Found for my 175lbs they offered similar float as I am at -5cm on the BO 118 and -6cm on the Moments. Moments are more stable with their very long turn radius but need more speed to come alive but BO 118 still plenty stable still. Huge carving and grip advantage to the BO 118 which is stupid good for their width. Much more forgiving in bumps too.
Sold my Moments after the first season of having the BO 118 but could see someone loving the Moments as they are great skis still.
Yeah my Bibbys are 2013 190s so back from the original era. They’ve been a cold dead hands ski for me for the last 10+ years and the BO 118 hasn’t changed that, but when I got them I was curious if they would compete. Bibby still feels like a straighter faster ski for big turns which is what I want to do in soft-ish snow, but I feel like BO fills an interesting slot of crud busting where conditions don’t quite allow you to completely let loose
If I was going on a trip with some new snow expected I’d still rely on the Bibby, but been having fun messing around on the BO at home
Bad news tall people
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I’m apparently drunk
Or not drunk enough
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Looking at some of these deals on the SBO 98s 192, very tempting - I daily drive a M102 191 but looking for something a little more easy-going to play around on for days when I want to go a little slower, or conditions are a little softer (have Blanks for big days). I'm a 190cm, 205lbs, directional skier skiing CDN rockies - Any folks with experience of both skis care to share your thoughts? Only hesitation is whether there's maybe a little too much overlap...and then I take a look at the top sheets again and the price and I'm back in the 'should I...' spiral...
For whart it`s worth I`ve skied 191 Monster 98s since 2018 as the stiff skinny ski in my lineup and 192 Blackops 98s since 2022 and am about 80kg/180lbs. The Monster 98s I find very easy to ski for their stiffness and how stable they are when pushed hard. I skied a friend`s m103s a few times before I got the 98s and remember those requiring more effort. Blackops 98s are noticeably less stable and have less edge grip but still have a bit of backbone. Pretty much a stiff-ish mid-fat park ski which is what I was looking for. Whoever described them several pages back as ``kind of meh at everything but still really fun`` is about right. I skied the Monster 98s and Blackops 98s about the same amount this year and don`t find them to overlap at all. You`ll be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiwald
The 192cm BO 98 would definitely be easier going and more fun off trail vs the 191cm M102. The BO 98 is still a capable carver and pretty damp for its weight. Another option would be a 185cm Enforcer 104 that's like a more playful M102. More fun at lower speeds than the M102 and great off trail. Also available at great deals for the current 25 version.
Thanks for the feedback guys. Will look at e104s as well and see where I can grab the best deal!
OK the BO118s make sense now.
Look at dans latest snowbird video! Sheesh those bo118 handle speed and drops!
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Can confirm :D
Scored a killer deal on a pair of 192 BO 118s to try for next year. Stoked to get them mounted up and test out my repaired knee.
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192! Where? How?
Picked them up off Instagram (weird, I know). They're actually sitting at my brother's house in SLC until I get down there this summer. I thought of you as I was buying them. My Bro says they weigh a metric ton [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
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Mass damping is a beautiful thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatty
So, 192 cm is actually printed on the ski? What do they straight tape?
Yes, stamped 192. Pro only model. Not sure of the length since I haven't put my own hands on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
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Hot damn, lucky!
I can't remember if I have chimed in on MF100s vs SF100s yet - I have been off the forum a while due to other priorities / it being shit.
They are quite different for how alike they are on paper. Their constructions are different, their shapes are different, yet they are def a similar kind of ski. MF100s are a fair bit stronger, which makes them surfier in fresh snow. SF100s are incredibly forgiving, and is for a more centered skier at rec. Both have huge sweet spots - I've mounted my MF100s +3 and they ski great there - and between them they probably cover most of the market. Most intermediaries would prob be happiest on SF100s mounted back. SF100s in particular are an upgrade on BO98s in every way imho - it is a fantastic ski, strong, loose yet plenty capable. SF100s are fun as well - mounted my pair at -1 - but they were a bit too turny off piste for me, or rather SF100s were just perfect for how I ski. SF100s kinda bend and want to turn in heavier snow, whereas SF100s are strong enough to wait for you to tell them to turn and if not just keep going forward. SF100 is the best 100mm ski I've been on by far.
Hey kid, I think you forgot the M in MF100, or my comprehension skills are lacking. That last paragraph is hard to follow.
Kid-kapow is 0/2 on differentiating between MF and SF.
Just another reader here chiming in—
Yes— I often find myself replacing S’s with M’s to make things make sense.
But I’m also kinda dumb. So I don’t ask much.
Own the BO 98 and SF 100 and both are decent skis. The BO 98 is more precise, damp, quiet and hard snow biased vs the more loose, playful and soft snow/off trail biased SF 100. Got the SF 100 hoping it would be a more playful BO 98 which it is but the downgrade in firmer conditions and lack of damping that makes it sound like a carbon touring ski on firm mornings were deal breakers for me.
The more I skied the new Enforcer 104, the more I realized how much better it is than any of these skis. Much stiffer tip/tail, 300gr heavier with better damping, much stronger on edge yet still very playful. The 185cm length for my 175lbs is easy in tight spots like the SF 100 but groomer and crud performance on another planet. A massive upgrade over the old Enforcer 104 Free in stability, precision and power yet still very fun to ski.
Think it is the reference standard for playful chargers around 100mm right now and find it very similar in feel to the BO 118. Will probably use my E104 and BO 118 for west coast travel skis next season.
My BO 98 already sold to a buddy and the SF 100 currently for sale.
So they do actually exist... Please report back once you have them in-hand!Quote:
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They exist. I should get them in hand mid June. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...7860324f75.jpgQuote:
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rad. are they made in France?
Are those rare? Is this what Dantheman owns?