I haven’t been out on them yet, but I’ll check in later this week. It’s snowing cats and hogs right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
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I haven’t been out on them yet, but I’ll check in later this week. It’s snowing cats and hogs right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
Protests.
They shoosh AND boof.
Really, really cool.
Nice lucknau! Thats where i liked my protests, @-1.5. I miss not having a pair
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Life achievement unlocked. Today, the 3rd straight killer pow day in a row skiing my protests, I’m standing at mountain top scoping a line and I get a call out - “nice skis man!” I look up and it’s the conceiver himself. Tabke skis away as I can barely say fast enough - “thanks for making them!” :)
191 Head Motorhead BoneshakerQuote:
Originally Posted by tuco
Length: 189 cm (straight pull)
Sidecut: 146-125-135
Radius: 32.3 m
Mass: Left: 2628 g, Right: 2608 g
Mount: Tyrolia Attack Demo at +1 cm from Freeride line
Today was a combo day of wind packed powder and waist deep fluffy tree snow. I can’t think of how to describe these, except as a fat all mountain ripper.
Super intuitive and versatile, they ski like I think a ski should ski. They bust crud great, can really lay a trench, and they have excellent flotation. I set the bindings 1cm forward of the Freeride line, and liked that spot a lot.
I think they pretty much outclass the Protest and BG on variable (non powder) snow. In comparison to the Protest, the Boneshaker just feels like more of an all around ski. I expected the Boneshaker to be more work to maneuver, because it has about twice the camber of the 192 Protest, but I see now that the tail rocker starts earlier on them, and the tail splay is greater. For turnability I think this levels the playing field vs. the Protest’s pin tail and flatter camber. The feel is definitely different in deep snow. On the protest I always have this feeling of bouncing and slashing, sort of swimming from turn to turn, I know not everyone gets that from it, but I do. In deep snow the Boneshaker feels more _______. Normal? Traditional? It’s not a difficult ski to acclimatize to. There’s no code to break or secret to unlock. In light of this characterization I feel I should say it’s not a boring ski to be on. Definitely an enabler. Some skis give me an instant terror of being airborne, and the Boneshaker is the opposite.
It could easily be a Maritime daily driver, despite (or maybe because of) being 125 mm underfoot. I agree with you: I wish Head still made this ski. More people should get to ski it.
I’m here to say I skied just TWO damn days on my new-to-me 187 protests in Japan this year [emoji457]
Big old dump of 3 ft. At Rusutsu over New Years, and they felt like the most intuitive deep powder ski I’ve ever been on. Mounted mine at -1cm.
I also had a base grind and structure done before skiing these in Japan, and it dramatically reduced the effort needed to bang around on these bad boys.
We jumped off trees for 48 hrs... and now the powder gods have forsaken us.
I’m taking mine out today since no one wants to buy them
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Skied my custom 192 4 flex Protesteses two of the last three days. Good lord I wish we would get 10” of new every day so I could ski them every day.
They are just so damn fun and easy to ski.
We received 20” of new sunday night sitting on top of 15” from the day before. Mind blowing.
Float like mad and so fast in pow. I just love how they accelerate through and out of turns with zero plow effect. If ya wanna dump speed, either flick them sideways or pressure the cuff and weight the front of the ski going into a turn then let off to zoom your way to the next turn.
Slither like a snake through tight trees then mash the gas and let them run when it opens up knowing you can shut them down if needed.
Wide open pow, just pin it and make 2 giant surfy turns while being completely relaxed with a giant smile plastered on yo face.
I went 4 flex since I also own 188’s which are 3 flex, such a fun ski, just as killer in fresh but gets tossed and shows signs of the tips pushing in chop, hate that. The 4 flex completely eliminated that. Tip them over and stand on them in soft chop and get sum. Are they as good as the BG or my also Loved Lhasa in chop, close but not as good. But better in pow.
/Protest gush
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Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
Sorry to cunt up the Protest-thread, but would like a cambershot of these?Quote:
Originally Posted by lucknau
So protest is 2nd ski from top and just below orange sidewalll ski. Camber is full length to contact points below rocker. Very mild and maybe 3-5 mills
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I rode NW_Skier's 187 flex 4 ProTests 2 days ago and had an absolute blast on them. Such a good ski. The 4 flex definitely gave them more of a backbone than my old 192 flex 3s. NW_Skier rode them yesterday and I definitely had some ProTest envy yesterday.
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I’ll get a picture of mine later. Mine have a LOT more camber then that.Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
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Nice mang!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kopi_Red
Seriously? Damn. I’ll try to post pics of mine but they’re maybe 2-3mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
My protests are about 2-3mm ski to ski and Boneshakers are 5-6mm. I’ll take a picture of both tonight if I can remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by sf
3mm camber on my Protests.
I don't need any more camber, I need more deep days to take them out!
Protests were very cool at Alta on Sunday. First really deep day on them. These were my Carbon Flex 4s with a custom top sheet and Birdseye Maple. God I love this ski.
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Lol that's my setup, 188 protests with g3 onyx and 191 boneshakers with dukes. Its been puking at whitewater Nelson lately skiing super deep and fluffy; protests are where its at, so buttery! Boneshakers are like a fat pow GS/SG ski, tip rocker is really glued to the snow and can drive them without much fresh. going through cutup or rough snow the dense wood core just absorbs it and they flex well, rip harder. sometimes get bogged down in deep snow or bottom feeding, mounting back really helped. on freeride line or -1 from there. when you are pinning it fall line its like you can slarve the steepest turns a bit where you are carving, break it loose. Might outshine the protest here, for big mountain. but pillow lines, technical protest for sure. Getting less into chargers liking more of a light technical feel, still ripping. Hoji might be where its at. I have ravens for tele are like a dream mini protest.
just picked up old 190 faction royals they are a fun pow ski too for sure. boneshaker rips a little harder, more dialed.
My Hybrids (OG Protests) are full reverse. I think he stopped offering them like that. I like them.
You could have them pressed CCR on a custom order.Quote:
Originally Posted by LightRanger
Gotcha. I wasn't sure if he kept that as an option. When I ordered, you just selected recurve or CCR. I definitely dig the CCR. Can still actually carve a bit. Maybe not on pure ice, but on just about anything you'd encounter on a day you're skiing them. But pivoting is that much higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
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BC ccr would be a nice option too
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Originally Posted by sf
Thanks
Shameless plug ... someone buy my old Protests from @dub2 so I can sell him my Veneer GPOs.
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...EET)?p=5874332
Disclaimer: I haven't seen these skis in 15 months, so take the useage after that point into account.
... Thom
Have never skied anything with camber that is as quick in the trees as the protest. Genius.
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How have people detuned their protests? Mine ski great in everything from typical maritime pow to legitimate blower powder. But when i was skiing them yesterday through some nice heavy fresh snow i was catching edges like crazy to the point it was pretty frightening.
Should i just take a file to the edges to the point where normal sidecut starts? Or where the flexed rocker ends? What has worked for other folks?
Yes! Beyond the side cut, both fore and aft, mine are dull AF. Like rounded over.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Could you describe “catching edges” a little better? Skis wanting to do the splits? One ski taking off in opposite direction or go straight when wanting to turn? Some of that could be you pressuring the reverse sidecut in the tip instead of directly underfoot.
Gonna take a file to them again tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
It was catching edges both ways. A ski would shoot off the to the outside, or would suddenly dart across the other ski. I dont think it was an issue with technique as i used to ski ARGs, and i played around with fore-aft pressuring on the Protests. But maybe im just hitting the learning curve. Honestly, im glad im seeing this issue now instead of on my upcoming cat trip and can dial them in for years of fun ahead.
Gotcha. Gummy the edges in the side cut as well as they come supa sharp. It’s a pow ski, don’t need to stinkin edges. [emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
I did give my edges underfoot a few swipes with a gummy stone. They still hook up just fine on soft groomers.
All Praxis come sharp, take all the edge off on the rocker sections, and most of the edge off on the camber section.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
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Actual quotes texted to me from the girlfriend, who is finally getting real time on her protests I gifted her awhile back:
“Just got some face shots. All is right with the world”
“These skis are the shiiiiiiit”
“It is heavier esp. lower down but you’re right, those skis can handle it”
“You can bounce on the snow! Like being on a trampoline”
“They are truly a delight. I really want to ski them more”
“I still can’t believe that a ski can be so fun / feel so very different”
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Lucky man!
anyone find these super squirrely on hard stuff? I have Wootests (so -10mm I believe) and only tour on them, but sometimes I end up on a packed down hiking trail or a road during egress and they are very weird. Maybe I overly detuned them? Mounted on the line. It takes some concerted effort to put them on edge.
User error? Known limitation? It doesn't change how much I love the skis, but it is a little weird when you hit the last mile out after effortless floaty bliss in every type of 3d snow and all the sudden get loose.
I never detune and just let the snow take the edge off on mine. No issue so far and I have Protest and wootest 1.0 to tour. But also -1Quote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
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man mine were like samurai sword sharp, I had to detune them... but perhaps I have gone overboard. I detuned the entire edge of the skis for like 15 mins maybe during a boring conference call...Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
IME they do not like running flat on hard pack. I've had some "oh-shit-almost-splits" moments when I forget that. As long as I'm throwing them on edge a bit and slowing things down it's been okay.
Known limitation.
if there’s even a bit of give in a groomer, they’re fine. on seriously hard groomers, i just sorta skid/slide shitty turns nonstop. not super fun but if i am on protests, idgaf about the groomer to get back to goods.
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thanks gents, I'll leave my tune alone and just pay more attention when on giveless icy hiking trails. because let me tell you, I do love these skis