They are tall(thats good) they make your boots better in every way.Quote:
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They are tall(thats good) they make your boots better in every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huskydoc
Anyone recognize these? Clearly closest to a freeride with the sidewinder but definitely an older/one off model
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Playing Captain Obvious here, but Sidewinder Freeride GARA is printed on the side?Quote:
Originally Posted by adrian.bee
Let me rephrase: what product from their current lineup is it closest to?Quote:
Originally Posted by raerxk1
the print on the side is a mashup of three current products and if you google it there is no information on that model
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Originally Posted by Huskydoc
I would say the GFT makes your boot softer than with most other liners besides maybe an intuition tour pro, something with no plastic on the tongue, or a super lightweight ski touring boot liner. But it’s worth it. There are other ways to stiffen your boot. And it’s only marginally softer.
Same as current Freeride but with the Sidewinder shank.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrian.bee
So same as Gara HV but with the "fluting" at top of cuff (for more give in that area) and the Sidewinder shank.
Thank you guru.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlimFlamvanHam
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I love my Freerides, and have a pair of Sudewinders I've yet to dial in.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlimFlamvanHam
That combo liner looks sweet!
I'm thrifty. No, I don't want to put my feet in someone else's used liners. For sure not going to pay a buck 75 for the experience.Quote:
I've got a line on some used zipfit Grand Prix. Seller says they have about 100-125 days on them. $175 for the liners.
Shop around later this season, maybe find a deal. Yes, it hurts to pay full price but if you have to, I feel ZFs are worth every penny.
not a fan of the SW, it's just too stiff for mixed terrain. I grabbed a pair of freerides in GS and thinking about letting go of my WC SW in 27.5, really sweet liner but I don't see myself skiing it most days.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister
I've got big ankles, and have done only one heat fit (via very hot water in bottles placed w/I the liner), the pressure on the inner ankle is currently too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
I think that I will have to take a heat gun to that area and punch the liner with a screw driver handle.
I do like that leather interior though.
Try oven baking, and move as much cork gunk from the ankle area as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister
I don't have especially fat ankles, but had that problem last year in corsa/dobies. Felt like the pressure really was going to kill me. Helped a lot to just turn up the heat, move shit around, relocate the cork gunk to somewhere else, heat some more, wear the boots, preferably ski, and so on. I've found 75°C hot air for ten to fifteen minutes to be great, I think Noodler on ski talk uses convection, similar timing or longer. The zipfit thread over there is a 100 page gold mine.
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What liner for a redster CS with 5mm shell fit? Corsa or Gara LV?
I’d say corsa with a bunch of cork. I just put a Gara lv in my Lange ZB that’s a ~8mm shell fit. The ankle felt way too loose with the corsa and the toebox a bit tight. One heat mold and the fit was pretty great. I went Gara for two reasons: toe box and my neuroma and if I wanted it in a different non-plug later.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASP
I wanted the leather interior thought.
Interesting discussion over at skitalk, basically saying the Workhorse is the same basic volume as the Gara,only with leather.
Haven’t read that stuff in skitalk….but I’m loving my Workhorse liners. Didn’t have to remove any cork in Nordica Strider 120s (100m). The leather in the WH is the real deal. So good at holding your foot in with the boots not having to be super cranked.Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
On another note I finally got a heated boot bag. It’s awesome to slip Zipfits into warm shells, racer style at the hill.
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Originally Posted by arild
Gara HV
Which is the same as the LV,but has more cork added,right?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
Correct!Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
In fact, it is my understanding that the Workhorse liner is thinner than the Gara (LV/HV) because it is leather inside and out (not all leather inside like Corsa, but close). Of course, I am referring to the liners sans OMFit, because Zipfit's way of measuring, according to how much OMFit they are stuffing in before shipping them out, makes no sense.
I'm thinking about getting a Workhorse because I think it would be the most optimum fitting liner in their collection for a 96mm shell, as long as one is willing to remove some of the OMFit.
This is true although the leather is thinner than the neoprene, so overall the Workhorse might be slightly less volume than Gara HV but will have the same amount of OMfit, if that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
Another difference between Corsa and Gara: the sole on the Corsa is much narrower. I went with Corsa for my Lange RS 140 because the sole on the Gara was much wider than the stock liner and I was worried it wouldn’t sit flat in the shell.
The liner hasn’t arrived yet - been on back order for weeks waiting for new production out of Italy, so we’ll see if this was the right choice.
FWIW, the Zipfit fit quiz recommends Corsa for the current Lange RS 140, but Gara LV for the Atomic CS (though there are a few different Club Sports, so not sure I’m choosing the one that was being referenced earlier), even though they’d appear to be in the same class of boots.
Just hit 10 days in said combo liner in a RX130 (MV) and all I can think is wtf have I been doing this whole time? Ski boot bliss.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfluffenmeister
Zipfits after 2 - 3 bakes and about 10 ski days become special.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrian.bee
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So I used to have the old red and brown all leather world cups and they were amazing in my technica agent 120’s. They finally died after 12 years of use. I miss that and think I should have gone workhorse.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleBogey
The Gara LV with extra cork in the tongue and the technica mach 1 is just not the same.
Part of it is certainly the shell, it’s just bigger in every way. The agent required multiple rounds of grinds, the Mach 1 didn’t.
Part of it is the leather interior. The heel hold is just far superior.
Two things to add to this Gara / workhorse comparison to hopefully ease my buyers remorse:
1) The workhorse “last” should be wider than the Gara LV? I believe the Gara HV and freeride are both wider than the LV? This isn’t totally clear from any of the marketing material but I believe it’s been discussed and my bootfitter was insistent on this fact.
2) the workhorse has the fluted cuff for bigger lower set calves so is more comfortable but less precise for skinny ankles/high calves?
Regarding your question on last,
I just went to a fresh pair of Gara from the old Gara (leather exterior) with 13 seasons on em. I don't know how my old Garas (which are more similar to the Corsa) compare to the current Gara LV, but my MV Gara toebox is about 5mm wider than my old ones.
I wanted the workhorse materials, but value the taller rigid cuff on the Gara (like the extra support and my calf attachment is quite high), so didn't go for the fluted cuff on my alpine boots.