New Foot Scanner App

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Originally Posted by bearcub69

im no pro bootfitter but w the help of the fischer app I was able to help some friends get into a better boot. told them ideally they should see a boot fitter, but they were reluctant to drive a few hours and spend boot fitter money.

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Sure, but it depends on how bad their previous boot was. Typically my customers are pretty much in the right size and know what they like in terms of flex and features, but want to know if they can successfully drop a full mondo size or go from a 100mm last to a 98mm last, or switch from one brand/model to another, etc. That's where interpreting the scans and metrics and knowing your product gets tricky. It's also common that the best boot for a serious skier won't be usable "out of the box" but will be perfect with some bootfitter modifications that can't be performed "over the phone."

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Originally Posted by Ver iz ze money LePowski?

Maybe I’m just an idiot but I am not getting the instep and heel width values that others have. I’m simply getting length and width. TGR is rad and my photos won’t upload. My right foot is coming in at 25.3 cm and 9.9 cm. Left foot is 25.2 cm and 9.9 cm. I live in BFE and have never been to real boot fitter nor is there one in my immediate vicinity. Time for some new alpine boots. I’ve been skiing in 26.5 my entire adult life, but it looks like I should be in a 25.5? Has my entire existence been a lie?

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Not sure why they don't show, but the numbers don't mean much without some context. If your right foot is the longer one, 25.5 is the biggest boot you should consider and most good skiers would probably go with a 24.5 but you should have a bootfitter who can help make that happen. A 99mm wide foot that's 25.5 cm long should be in a narrow lasted boot (i.e. 97-98mm). I have no idea where BFE is, but it can be worth it to travel to good bootfitting . . .

FWIW, heel width is pretty useless because you can't choose a narrow or wide heel in boots anyway. Instep numbers sometimes show on a second page in Verifyt, but I usually use the 3D images to predict instep issues and only use the numbers as a confirmation ("average" instep height for a 25.5 foot is 63-68mm). Again, there aren't really any "low instep" boots around anymore, and raising instep heights in a shell is usually the bootfitter's job.

It's possible your entire adult life has been spent skiing at 85% of your potential.

While I agree there are no low instep boots really anymore, there are definitely narrow throated boots. While it’s a different dimension, it can sometimes be a suitable alternative to look at. Eg. the Atomic Hawx has an average instep now but because it has such a narrow throat it will hold your foot down and back like a low instep does.

I do find people often with a low instep have an ankle/lower leg that would work well in this.

That being said you’re still 100% right that they should go to a good bootfitter. I just wanted to reinforce that all these boots with large diameter throats give many people who don’t have super high insteps terrible heel/lower leg retention.

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Originally Posted by GoldenBC

While I agree there are no low instep boots really anymore, there are definitely narrow throated boots.

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Agree with this - you won't find a boot with an actual narrow heel (they couldn't sell it to average people) and even most 102mm+ lasts don't really have a wide heel, but the diameter of the cuff varies a lot, even in 97-98mm designs. Getting one of these is a great way to improve heel retention if you can make the rest of the boot fit. Narrowest are Atomic Hawx Ultra and Salomon S/Pro Alpha, Lange Shadow LV probably third best. Downside is they are harder to put on, especially for tall insteps.

Hey Greg, wondering if you could help point me in the direction of some boots to try. My son will be a first year patroller this season and is starting the process of trying on new boots, but wondering if these numbers would help narrow down where to start. He does have a history of Mortons neuroma that he has to be sensitive to. Thanks!

Right foot:
Length: 27cm
width: 10.5 cm
heel width: 6.7 cm
instep height: 7.6cm

Left Foot:
length: 27.2 cm
width: 10.6 cm
heel width: 6.8 cm
instep height: 8 cm

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

Hey Greg, wondering if you could help point me in the direction of some boots to try. My son will be a first year patroller this season and is starting the process of trying on new boots, but wondering if these numbers would help narrow down where to start. He does have a history of Mortons neuroma that he has to be sensitive to. Thanks!

Right foot:
Length: 27cm
width: 10.5 cm
heel width: 6.7 cm
instep height: 7.6cm

Left Foot:
length: 27.2 cm
width: 10.6 cm
heel width: 6.8 cm
instep height: 8 cm

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Are his feet done growing? Generally expert level skiers with a 27-ish length size down to 26.5, but there's no rule he has to - a 27.5 would definitely help with "all day comfort," and give him room to grow. He should probably stick with a medium volume last rather than narrow, but this depends on who his bootfitter will be and what sort of performance he's looking for vs. what level of comfort he needs to patrol all day.

His main issue will be instep height; he's well above average for a 27 foot (67mm - 72mm) so a heat moldable boot with a tallish instep that can be made taller with heat molding (thinking Atomic Hawx Prime) or a 3-piece shell with an open instep (think Dalbello Cabrio MV). Some bootboard grinding may also be in order. I can't really recommend a flex without his height and weight.

Morton's issues are usually addressed when building the footbed, either by depressing the area under the metatarsal ridge and/or adding a bump to widen the space between the 2nd and 3rd mets when weighted, but again it's a job for an experienced bootfitter.

Hope that helps, but there's a limit to what I can tell you without seeing his feet.

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Originally Posted by gregL

Are his feet done growing? Generally expert level skiers with a 27-ish length size down to 26.5, but there's no rule he has to - a 27.5 would definitely help with "all day comfort," and give him room to grow. He should probably stick with a medium volume last rather than narrow, but this depends on who his bootfitter will be and what sort of performance he's looking for vs. what level of comfort he needs to patrol all day.

His main issue will be instep height; he's well above average for a 27 foot (67mm - 72mm) so a heat moldable boot with a tallish instep that can be made taller with heat molding (thinking Atomic Hawx Prime) or a 3-piece shell with an open instep (think Dalbello Cabrio MV). Some bootboard grinding may also be in order. I can't really recommend a flex without his height and weight.

Morton's issues are usually addressed when building the footbed, either by depressing the area under the metatarsal ridge and/or adding a bump to widen the space between the 2nd and 3rd mets when weighted, but again it's a job for an experienced bootfitter.

Hope that helps, but there's a limit to what I can tell you without seeing his feet.

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Thank you for the advice. He’s done growing and 6’3” and 160ish. This gives him a good starting point with what to try next week.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

Thank you for the advice. He’s done growing and 6’3” and 160ish. This gives him a good starting point with what to try next week.

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Then 120-130 flex - the choice between MV 100mm shell and LV 98mm shell boils down to the choice between comfort for patroling and precision for ripping it up on lunch hour, as well as who's doing the fitting.

Mrs ::: ::: has bunions. One foot is pretty wonky these days . To make matters worse she’s got pretty low volume feet & has always had fitting problems. Any general advice for finding a boot that might work for her?
If it’s of any help, i could map her foot with the app this week…

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Originally Posted by ::: :::

Mrs ::: ::: has bunions. One foot is pretty wonky these days . To make matters worse she’s got pretty low volume feet & has always had fitting problems. Any general advice for finding a boot that might work for her?
If it’s of any help, i could map her foot with the app this week…

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Low volume boot and punch accurately for the bunions is generally the answer, which one depends on instep height and other factors.

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Originally Posted by ::: :::

If it’s of any help, i could map her foot with the app this week…

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The app might help narrow down the choices of boot, but has some key weaknesses (like not showing the ankle above the maleoli). Also, I can't punch for her bunions without her and her boots coming to Seattle.

A Seattle visit isn’t necessarily out of the question. Is the shop stocked up for the season now?
Thinking she’s in start over mode with boots at this point…

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Originally Posted by ::: :::

A Seattle visit isn’t necessarily out of the question. Is the shop stocked up for the season now?
Thinking she’s in start over mode with boots at this point…

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Not everything is in store yet; if she wants a boot in the 110-115 flex range, for instance, we have the 90-95 flex versions of S/Pro Alpha and Hawx Ultra in but not always the stiffer models, and no Lange Shadow LV's. This isn't uncommon even later in the year, though, we just don't have enough room to stock every model we carry but try to have something to try on that fits like they boot you want, then order it from the warehouse. You could start by trying on some boots in the PDX location, though.

Thx Greg

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Originally Posted by Ver iz ze money LePowski?

Maybe I’m just an idiot but I am not getting the instep and heel width values that others have. I’m simply getting length and width. TGR is rad and my photos won’t upload. My right foot is coming in at 25.3 cm and 9.9 cm. Left foot is 25.2 cm and 9.9 cm. I live in BFE and have never been to real boot fitter nor is there one in my immediate vicinity. Time for some new alpine boots. I’ve been skiing in 26.5 my entire adult life, but it looks like I should be in a 25.5? Has my entire existence been a lie?

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FYI, I had this problem when using the Verifyt app, but I found that: when I did the scan it only showed me the foot length and width immediately. However if I gave them an email address and saved the scan in my profile, when I retrieved the scan I could see the 3d model and the instep and heel measurements.

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Originally Posted by coldfeet

FYI, I had this problem when using the Verifyt app, but I found that: when I did the scan it only showed me the foot length and width immediately. However if I gave them an email address and saved the scan in my profile, when I retrieved the scan I could see the 3d model and the instep and heel measurements.

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This is correct, once you set up an account (give them your name and email address and save it), you should be able to click on "Scan Management" then "View Foot Scans" and the most recent valid scan should show up. Click "View Model" and you'll see all the images and numbers. If you want to share the data with me, go back to the home page and click "Verifyt Connect" to scan the QR code shown previously in this thread.

My bad, I don't see it, PM me with your real email address if you want me to send a QR code.

Would love to get some insights of some boots that might make sense for me. Currently have Maestrales for touring in a 25.5. But they feel a bit soft for driving a bigger ski (which I'm hoping to add to the quiver), I also have a set of Cochise in 25.5 for the resort. The're a little stiff for me, and maybe a touch tight on my right side for touring. I can feel it a bit in the length and the instep, but I haven't done any mods to the liner or shells yet...

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by wwwicz

Would love to get some insights of some boots that might make sense for me. Currently have Maestrales for touring in a 25.5. But they feel a bit soft for driving a bigger ski (which I'm hoping to add to the quiver), I also have a set of Cochise in 25.5 for the resort. The're a little stiff for me, and maybe a touch tight on my right side for touring. I can feel it a bit in the length and the instep, but I haven't done any mods to the liner or shells yet...

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Maestrale or Maestrale RS? If the former, try the RS, it's quite a bit stiffer. I would guess the instep is tight on that boot, though. Your main issue is an instep that's quite high and forward; main fix for the Cochise would be to grind the bootboard and/or footbed. You don't say what flex Cochise you have, you realize they come in 130, 120, and 110 flex, right?

Other than a 3-piece shell that's open over the instep (Dalbello, K2, Roxa) your best bet for instep is a good heat moldable boot that can be made taller with foam over the instep during the molding process. Atomic Hawx Prime XTD or Salomon Shift Pro are good examples.

Maestrale. The instep is fine for me on that. I've got a set of handmade low-profile carbon insoles in them.

The Cochise is a 2024 and is the 130. Probably a bit too stiff for me (6', 160lbs)