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Looks like this one, ATK RT-10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Murian
https://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/binding/atk-rt-10 But this one only has a release value up to 10.
the original RT-12 has been replaced by the ATK R-12, which has a different base plate for the toe.
https://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/bi...-r12?var=63310
It's a Raider 12 heel (which has two riser/flippys) with either a Crest or RT-10 toe. It was covered somewhere in the past couple of months in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Murian
The RT-10 heel has only one flippy/riser. Best I can tell, the difference between the RT-10 and Crest toes is that the RT-10 has the "uphill hardness variator". Scroll up thread (sometime in the past two months) for a description of that as well.
I ain't gonna do all yer work fer ya.
Bonus points: the very first post in this thread has a download link (courtesy of @spyderjon) to the current catalog.
... Thom
ahh yes, wouldn't be the atk thread if this question didn't get asked on a daily basisQuote:
Originally Posted by Lee Murian
Thom is too nice.
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You don't need an adapter. The brake and freeride spacer are totally independent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Westcoaster
You can run the FR14 or Moment Voyager XIV without a brake. We also have small little covers which go in the place of the brake so snow does not pack.
Yeah im aware, I was referring to a small cover that replaces the brake assembly when removed or a design similar to the legacy freeride spacer in lieu of the brakes, since the legacy design seems more robust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melee
Can i purchase the covers directly from you? What do they look like?
This was briefly discussed a couple weeks ago here, but I've noticed that one of my Crest toe pieces has a ton of play/slop in the lever when in ski mode. I have a few other Crest toes and none of them are this bad. On my other bindings you can lightly press the lever to sort of click it into place in the ski mode, but on one of my toes you can't do it and it just sort of flops around. It still skis fine, is it something to be concerned about? It doesn't look like there is anything that can be adjusted.
I know it's still early, but what's the general consensus on the C-Raider 12 vs. the (non-carbon) Radier-12? My instincts lead me to the non-carbon.
... Thom
Btw not sure if mentioned already but I checked out the Moment Voyager XIV version and the toe piece is taller by about 1/4in or 3/16 for a flatter profile.
Props to Spyderjon! Shims are on point and made my Raider 12 2.0 ski like alpine with no hurt on the uphill beyond my crappy, old engine. Solid on all points! Good value and great service! BTW, the ATK bindings are terrific!
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FR14 Ramp: 11mmQuote:
Originally Posted by winstwu
Voyager XIV Ramp: 7.5mm
We didn't want to make it flat because you would get an insane stack height on the toe which sucks in our opinion. There are a lot of factors to consider while shimming a binding...
Also, no matter what you decide on, you can't please everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melee
Me ... I'm fine with anything from about 4 to my Vipecs which are about 11.
Others need dead flat.
... Thom
This might be buried in the thread somewhere but... are the brakes on the
C-raiders easily removable? Any reason they can't be skied without the brakes (like weird attachment points that accumulate snow/ice if the brakes aren't there)? Anyone have a pic of what they look like without the brakes? Weight without brakes?
Thanks
Yes, three t10 crews hold the plate and the brake assy down. It's quite easy to remove. Moment is going to stock replacement blanks for people running no brakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
I'll post some photos later today if a brakeless raider heel. I have 97mm brakes, if anyone has 110 would be happy to trade if I ever decide to run brakes.
That would be great, thanks! Any idea how much the brakeless bindings weigh (or how much the brakes weigh)? Yes, thats geeky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Westcoaster
I'm not back in my shop until Tues so can't weigh one until then but the published weight of the C-Raider is 305g (ATK don't say with which brake width) and the Release 10's published weight is 240g. And as the Release 10 is essentially a brakeless C-Raider I'll take a guess that the brake weighs circa 65g.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
Yeah I'll weigh everything. Am a geek too.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
Yes, except the C-Raiders have the excellent magnetic multi height heel risers. If the Release 10's had those they'd be about perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyderjon
Thanks!
Got curious about the brake weight and what it looked like with out them. The brake along with all the parts and screws weighed 47.4 g on my scale which may need calibration. I'd want that filler piece from Moment to avoid packing the void with ice and snow, but mine are staying on. I used to think no brakes was cool but now I like the convenience they provide.
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Better late than never:Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Yg46qmEidMNZriHe9
Thanks guys! So if you're going to run them brakeless could you just leave that whole brake assembly piece (Westcoaster's second pic) out? You wouldn't have the "freeride spacer" then, but I've never had that on my Raiders and I dont care. But I cant really tell from the pics if that assembly is important otherwise.
Btw, I finally made my AL07 freeride spacers work with my MTN’s will be making it happen for the trofeo’s this afternoon. Definitely worth the jangle; i could tell i definite difference on the gpo’s with mtns. Much more power and precision from the tail. Thumbs up.
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Westcoaster's second pic is the AL09 Freeride Spacer. It's the first pic that has the heel with the brake removed - and yes, you can ski it like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
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I ground 2.5mm off the base with a grinding wheel, and mounted it with a wood screw. I also needed a 2mm ptex shim under the heelpiece. I’ll give it a rip tomorrow and report. Who knows, it may fall off.
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Where did you score these?Quote:
Originally Posted by riff
Skimoco had em a while back.
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Curious to hear how you like this, have the same components but haven't decided if it's going to be worth all the grinding and shimming to get the spacer to fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by riff
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Can somebody tell me what insert screws to order for my Crest 10's? I'm very stupid.
I'm adding a 6mm spacer under the front. Putting in BF inserts to swap the Crests btw my Camox FB and my Corvus.
It's the 12mm pan heads with the heads ground down to 8mm (SVST will do it for you if you ask) for the heel and toe, so I imagine with your 6mm spacer up front you'd just get 18mm for the toes and 12mm for the heels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
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Originally Posted by Falcon3
Unfortunately tgapp's info is incorrect - he's mistakenly given you the C-Raider or Release 10 spec, I can't remember which and I'm not in my shop to check.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgapp
The non shimmed M5 screw spec for the Crest 8 & 10 is 8no. 12mm countersunk flat heads for the toe and for the heel it's 8no. 8mm pan heads with their head diameter reduced to 8mm. You'll then need to add you shim thickness to the toe screw length.
Oh shit my bad, thanks SJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyderjon
I thought the heel unit was the same between the two though?
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Props as always, to @spyderjon. In the spirit of teaching a man to fish, I put this FAQ on screw lengths up on the MYOFS thread (comments questions appreciated and I'll edit it as necessary) - link to post # 4505: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...05#post6185505
... Thom
Huge thanks to alla-y'all, ordering my BF kit today, hopefully will get rid of the "falling-over-the-tips" feeling and having my knee be like 2" in front of my toes on flat ground (huge calves plus high ramp).
I've always had this issue, and on my alpine setup, going with older Pivots (0 ramp) and Lange RX130 with the spoilers removed, plus custom molding for more upright stance made skiing that setup a revelation for me. Hoping to recreate something close with my tech stuff.
That looks sick Riffy [emoji869][emoji869] let me know what you think, I’ve been thinking about doing the same thingQuote:
Originally Posted by riff
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After two days on it I’m sold! More power and feedback from the tail. Feels great.
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This happened to me yesterday morning, hadn't seen this happen on ATK bindings before. Is this a common occurrence?
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Tried to search, no luck. Anyone know if atk raider holes are the same as solly mtn holes??
There are so many variations of Raiders, when you take into account the back and forth renaming of the front brake version vs. the rear brake version, that it's difficult to be specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laps
What I can tell you is that I just went through the downloadable PDFs on the ATK site, and I established that my Raider 12s (this year's binding, rear brake) have the following spacing:
- Toe: 45mm w x 44m long (front to back)
- Heel: 45mm w x 60mm long
I have not done a test mount with this, so treat these as nominal dimensions (i.e. +/- a few tenths of a mm).
Note (see post upstream in this thread) that next year's Raiders will have a narrower mount pattern due to some patent issues with the wide footprint (go figure ... eh?)
... Thom
Ah...I see. Thanks for info, trying to find out if I could reuse a set of holes on a ski. I guess paper template match up would the way to go.
Thanks again!
Damn, Amer must be making these in the Kingpin factory. Have yet to see a jacked up ATK toepieceQuote:
Originally Posted by brutah
Not sure I understand this post.....Quote:
Originally Posted by brutah