Nordica Enforcers - TGR-Enough for Their Own Thread

After much deliberation and almost a year after PMing back and forth with Banditman I ordered a pair of Enforcer 104 Frees as a metal ski to compliment my all wood all Moment quiver of Deathwish, Wildcat, Deathwish 104 and Deathwish tour.

I was looking for something with a tail rocker that can easily release turns but also has a lot of metal for smoothing out the ride for lower tide conditions at Targhee. I figured it is now or never now that the E104 Free is changing.

I’m planning to mount with metal pivots for an even more heavy/ damp feel.

All of my Moment skis are 190 cm and I picked up the E104s in 191 cm on the recommendation of Banditman.

I’m planning to mount and +2 or +3 from recommended (so -6.8 or -5.8 from true center) to more closely align the with -5 and -6 from true center mounts that I am used to on my Moment skis. I like to ski pretty centered.

Anyone ski the E104 at +3? I’m open to advice.

Also, huge thanks to Banditman for the help and advice.

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How old is he? How much of a ripper is he? For this season or next season? Not much left in this season … you guys don’t have as much snow in WA as OR, right?

He is already practically one growth spurt away from being my size, 5’ 8” 140 lbs. I’m not a great skier but I do ski aggressively for my size and skill level, and the 179 E104 I demoed felt dialed for me, the 179 E94s that I own also feel like a pretty good length but also something I will never see the top end of when conditions are firm. I have not skied the 172 of either but I’m sure they would be fine most days for me, except for soft and/or wind affected snow deeper than 6” when I’m guessing I’d be missing the 179s at either width.

Given all that, I personally would go for 172 if he’s a decent but currently more cruisy skier, but 179 if he shows signs of hitting the gas pedal more often than not, or if you don’t want to get him new sticks late next season again. Sure the 179s might be a lot to handle in stiffness right now, but they could also be eye opening in terms of what he is looking forward to and thinking more about dialing in his shin pressure and posture, can always ski the 168 Optics when the 179 Enforcers start kicking his ass after a few hours, where the 172 just won’t really be that much of a jump … The 179s could be money for him all next season start to finish, maybe even through part of the one after that too?

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179 feels like a lot of big, heavy, ski for a 120lb kid. I like the 185 E110 a lot, but I'm 6' 160lbs.

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Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio

I decided to quit waffling and picked up a new set of 179 E94s (current gen). Gonna put some Pivot 15s on them … but need some 95mm brake arms first!

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Did you ever find 95mm arms? I have some if you’re still looking.

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Originally Posted by kc_7777

Hey bandit,

My 5’6”, 125 lb wife is on this years Enforcer Free 104 in a 172cm. She’s a good skier, makes lots of turns, likes to go fast.

She’s also got the Santa Ana 104 with backcountry bindings. She has no problem skiing the heavier Enforcer.
KC

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Thanks for the response and reference point! I'm certain your wife has more experience and probably better form, but their styles seem similar. He has no problem making turns on his BO96's, but seems to be skiing faster these days, which brought me to the E014 idea.

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Originally Posted by SnowMachine

179 feels like a lot of big, heavy, ski for a 120lb kid.

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It absolutely is a lot of big heavy ski for 120 lbs. I guess my point was, how heavy is he likely to be come December 1, and then March 1? Seems like possibly only 4 weeks of resort skiing left now until late Fall?

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Originally Posted by DoubleBogey

Did you ever find 95mm arms?

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Yes I did, danke, have been happy how the E94 complements my Woodsman 110.

I’m sure it’s somewhere in this thread but I can’t find it. I’m remounting my Enforcer 100s (2021) and have hole conflicts that are putting me at either +0.75 or -1.5. Thinking about the forward mount (my last mount was on the line, which I liked) but would appreciate feedback. Thoughts?

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I’m sure it’s somewhere in this thread but I can’t find it. I’m remounting my Enforcer 100s (2021) and have hole conflicts that are putting me at either +0.75 or -1.5. Thinking about the forward mount (my last mount was on the line, which I liked) but would appreciate feedback. Thoughts?

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I’d recommend going a smidge forward versus behind the line. They seem to be happy that way.

I skied mine at +2cm…and if I were to do again would be +1cm. So what bandit said.


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Perfect. Thanks both!

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Reposting a question from the previous page-

Every ski in my quiver is mounted at -5 and -6 from true center (all Moment, all on their factory line). I like progressive mounts and ski with a fairly neutral stance.

I just picked up a pair of E104 Frees. Recommended mount is -8.8 from true center.

I'm thinking I'll mount at +2 or +3 from recommended to better align with the mounts that I'm used to skiing.

What are the collective's thoughts forward mounting an Enforcer free?

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Originally Posted by Kevo

Reposting a question from the previous page-

Every ski in my quiver is mounted at -5 and -6 from true center (all Moment, all on their factory line). I like progressive mounts and ski with a fairly neutral stance.

I just picked up a pair of E104 Frees. Recommended mount is -8.8 from true center.

I'm thinking I'll mount at +2 or +3 from recommended to better align with the mounts that I'm used to skiing.

What are the collective's thoughts forward mounting an Enforcer free?

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+8, -9, vs true center, blah blah blah. Whatever.

The recommended line for my 2022 186 104 free is the tits for me personally. One of my favorite skis ever. Maybe it will matter to you but don't over think it.

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I would go in the line or a tiny bit forward. I mounted mine -1.5 behind the line and wish I went on the line.

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Originally Posted by Kevo

Reposting a question from the previous page-

Every ski in my quiver is mounted at -5 and -6 from true center (all Moment, all on their factory line). I like progressive mounts and ski with a fairly neutral stance.

I just picked up a pair of E104 Frees. Recommended mount is -8.8 from true center.

I'm thinking I'll mount at +2 or +3 from recommended to better align with the mounts that I'm used to skiing.

What are the collective's thoughts forward mounting an Enforcer free?

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I’m in the same boat. Typically get along well with a -6 mount for freeride/pow skis. Traditional mount for carving/race skis.

I’m 5’8” 140 lbs ski a 104 free in a 186cm mounted +2 from rec. I like them there but may mount my backup pair at +1 from rec.


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I have a couple days on the 23/24 191 Enforcer Free 104. I mounted with metal pivots at +2 and detuned tip and tail to contact points.

-Both days I skied were dust on crust days- hard spring ice with a couple inches of fresh on top. This is exactly what I was looking for in these conditions. The 104s provide good edge hold and a damp ride. I'm sure the metal pivots add extra dampness.
-They ski in a very intuitive way. They are stable at speed but it is easy to break loose from a turn. I weigh enough (200 lbs) to easily bend them into a tighter turn radius. At +2, they are easy to pivot when needed.
-I have yet to get them into tight places or bumps or true 3D snow.
-I'm really glad I got the 2023/2024 version with the tail rocker. They hold a turn just fine but the tail rocker allows them to easily break loose from a turn. A metal ski with a tail rocker is a great addition to my quiver.
-At my weight, these feel like a very approachable ski. I'm glad I went with the 191.

Thanks to everyone, especially Bandit Man, for the advice on this ski.

Checked the new Enforcer 104 out in shops last Spring and noticed the increased stiffness, added rubber damping underfoot and heard raves from the shop people how much more precise the new version was from the 104 Free. Liked my Enforcer 104 Free but wished it was a bit more stable and less loose on the tail, so similar to a Ranger FR 102 but without the carbon tip noise and heavier. New Enforcer 104 might be that ski.
Saw this review posted which shows the weight is now 2320gr(used to be 2240gr) in the 185cm.

https://youtu.be/bCgPIRQtAI0?si=m_Y0d0lrOj2H9c1O

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Checked the new Enforcer 104 out in shops last Spring and noticed the increased stiffness, added rubber damping underfoot and heard raves from the shop people how much more precise the new version was from the 104 Free. Liked my Enforcer 104 Free but wished it was a bit more stable and less loose on the tail, so similar to a Ranger FR 102 but without the carbon tip noise and heavier. New Enforcer 104 might be that ski.
Saw this review posted which shows the weight is now 2320gr(used to be 2240gr) in the 185cm.

https://youtu.be/bCgPIRQtAI0?si=m_Y0d0lrOj2H9c1O

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The added weight and just a little more “beef” are interesting. My gripe with the original 104 was similar to yours. Easy to ski, but lacked stability. I sold the 186 and picked up some 191’s. The extra weight and slightly larger side cut made for a ski that was more stable, happier in a larger radius turn, and had a higher top end. Problem is they feel a little long in tight spaces. A heavier 185 could be the answer.

I really want to try the new 99, as it seems to be getting lots of praise.


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Hows about them 94's? I just got a NOS pair of '23 186's in trade for some work. I was thinking they would be a fun low tide/firm snow ski. I'm going to put some Pivot 14's on them and give them a go.

I'd like a damp, on/off piste ski that likes to carve. I have Commander 102's in that role right now, but they're a bit more "game on" than I'm looking for.

The 94 should be close to what you are after. They can be skied hard and work really well on-piste. I prefer the Volkl M6 for pure high speed on piste skiing, as I think it has a higher top end, but the 94 is better off piste and is a better all-around choice.

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Hows about them 94's? I just got a NOS pair of '23 186's in trade for some work. I was thinking they would be a fun low tide/firm snow ski. I'm going to put some Pivot 14's on them and give them a go.

I'd like a damp, on/off piste ski that likes to carve. I have Commander 102's in that role right now, but they're a bit more "game on" than I'm looking for.

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23-24 E94s with Pivot 15s is my go to on/off piste damp ski that likes to carve if the snow is firm or crappy in any way, including dust on crust. I definitely reach for this ski when skiing runs that no one else is skiing because the conditions are simply just too shitty.

I’m in low elevation western Oregon but very familiar with Tahoe snow and I think it will work well for your objective. It’s a very versatile ski and if you plan to use it in true junk conditions like that classic windscalped boilerplate that befalls Tahoe in cold dry spells, or rain crust, I would suggest stepping up from P14 to P15 for the extra weight and oomph. It’s versatile enough that I don’t have a skinnier ski, and my next size up is an ON3P Woodman 110 - that is my daily driver, and the floor for me is edgeable consistent snow that has give to it.

I mounted my E94s on the line and mildly regret it, I wish I had gone +1 cm to get a little bit quicker engagement and more willingness to go sideways.

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Originally Posted by SnowMachine

I'd like a damp, on/off piste ski that likes to carve. I have Commander 102's in that role right now, but they're a bit more "game on" than I'm looking for.

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Sorry for calling you out on this, but them sticks seems just about the tool for that job. Have you ever thought about learning how to ski?

Sorry, but this is TGR, maybe a pair of Soul 7 would do the trick? Don't go too long though, they might be a handful then..

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Sorry for calling you out on this, but them sticks seems just about the tool for that job. Have you ever thought about learning how to ski?

Sorry, but this is TGR, maybe a pair of Soul 7 would do the trick? Don't go too long though, they might be a handful then..

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"Sorry", not sorry... Hope you at least sent the guy some Aloe Vera for the burn! lol

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Originally Posted by Bandit Man

The 94 should be close to what you are after. They can be skied hard and work really well on-piste. I prefer the Volkl M6 for pure high speed on piste skiing, as I think it has a higher top end, but the 94 is better off piste and is a better all-around choice.

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I was actually after M7's, but I was going to have to buy them. The 94's were a hand-off. I like the idea of them being a bit better off piste. I never know what my ski days will bring. I'm actually very happy with the Commander off piste, especially in cruddy snow, but I don't love them on piste except when absolutely sending.

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Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio

23-24 E94s with Pivot 15s is my go to on/off piste damp ski that likes to carve if the snow is firm or crappy in any way, including dust on crust. I definitely reach for this ski when skiing runs that no one else is skiing because the conditions are simply just too shitty.

I’m in low elevation western Oregon but very familiar with Tahoe snow and I think it will work well for your objective. It’s a very versatile ski and if you plan to use it in true junk conditions like that classic windscalped boilerplate that befalls Tahoe in cold dry spells, or rain crust, I would suggest stepping up from P14 to P15 for the extra weight and oomph. It’s versatile enough that I don’t have a skinnier ski, and my next size up is an ON3P Woodman 110 - that is my daily driver, and the floor for me is edgeable consistent snow that has give to it.

I mounted my E94s on the line and mildly regret it, I wish I had gone +1 cm to get a little bit quicker engagement and more willingness to go sideways.

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Rad, thanks!! Most of my skis have 15's, but the price of the 14's were kind of a no-brainer for this one. This whole setup will be under $200.

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Originally Posted by waxoff

Sorry for calling you out on this, but them sticks seems just about the tool for that job. Have you ever thought about learning how to ski?

Sorry, but this is TGR, maybe a pair of Soul 7 would do the trick? Don't go too long though, they might be a handful then..

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Thanks for your help, bro. Do you give lessons?

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Originally Posted by waxoff

Sorry for calling you out on this, but them sticks seems just about the tool for that job. Have you ever thought about learning how to ski?

Sorry, but this is TGR, maybe a pair of Soul 7 would do the trick? Don't go too long though, they might be a handful then..

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"Sorry", not sorry... Hope you at least sent the guy some Aloe Vera for the burn! lol

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Mm, no.

Hi, guys;
Following along on the Enforcer mount point discussion.
Just picked up a pair of 2023 100's (179cm) in near new condition for cheap. Bindings are mounted +2cm forward of the line. I will definitely ski them before I decide if I should remount, but any further thoughts on how they tend to handle at that mount point? Skied the 110 in a 186 years ago on the line and loved it.
Sounds like +1 is a bit of a sweet spot for some...
TIA

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Originally Posted by blender

Hi, guys;
Following along on the Enforcer mount point discussion.
Just picked up a pair of 2023 100's (179cm) in near new condition for cheap. Bindings are mounted +2cm forward of the line. I will definitely ski them before I decide if I should remount, but any further thoughts on how they tend to handle at that mount point? Skied the 110 in a 186 years ago on the line and loved it.
Sounds like +1 is a bit of a sweet spot for some...
TIA

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I mounted my 110's +1 and liked them there (wish I kept them) It feels like a strange move for a flatter tailed ski like the 100 to go that far forward.

The 94's that I got roasted about are going to be mounted on the line. The mount is -8.5 which is already fairly progressive (IMO) for a flatter tail ski. Pair that with a decent amount of rocker up front and stiffer tails. I don't see moving them forward. Ski them and see, but I think I'd put them on the line.

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Originally Posted by SnowMachine

I mounted my 110's +1 and liked them there (wish I kept them) It feels like a strange move for a flatter tailed ski like the 100 to go that far forward.

The 94's that I got roasted about are going to be mounted on the line. The mount is -8.5 which is already fairly progressive (IMO) for a flatter tail ski. Pair that with a decent amount of rocker up front and stiffer tails. I don't see moving them forward. Ski them and see, but I think I'd put them on the line.

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Yeah, I have no idea what the original owner was thinking at +2.5 (I actually measured it); maybe that's why they were for sale so cheap, lol!
I'll be shocked if I don't remount them though.

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Originally Posted by Kevo

Reposting a question from the previous page-

Every ski in my quiver is mounted at -5 and -6 from true center (all Moment, all on their factory line). I like progressive mounts and ski with a fairly neutral stance.

I just picked up a pair of E104 Frees. Recommended mount is -8.8 from true center.

I'm thinking I'll mount at +2 or +3 from recommended to better align with the mounts that I'm used to skiing.

What are the collective's thoughts forward mounting an Enforcer free?

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Originally Posted by Soups

+8, -9, vs true center, blah blah blah. Whatever.

The recommended line for my 2022 186 104 free is the tits for me personally. One of my favorite skis ever. Maybe it will matter to you but don't over think it.

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Originally Posted by Kevo

I have a couple days on the 23/24 191 Enforcer Free 104. I mounted with metal pivots at +2 and detuned tip and tail to contact points.

-Both days I skied were dust on crust days- hard spring ice with a couple inches of fresh on top. This is exactly what I was looking for in these conditions. The 104s provide good edge hold and a damp ride. I'm sure the metal pivots add extra dampness.
-They ski in a very intuitive way. They are stable at speed but it is easy to break loose from a turn. I weigh enough (200 lbs) to easily bend them into a tighter turn radius. At +2, they are easy to pivot when needed.
-I have yet to get them into tight places or bumps or true 3D snow.
-I'm really glad I got the 2023/2024 version with the tail rocker. They hold a turn just fine but the tail rocker allows them to easily break loose from a turn. A metal ski with a tail rocker is a great addition to my quiver.
-At my weight, these feel like a very approachable ski. I'm glad I went with the 191.

Thanks to everyone, especially Bandit Man, for the advice on this ski.

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Alright, I'm bumping this thread to add some notes about mount points.

On hardpack snow I love the 191 E104s at +2 from the line (-6.8 cm back from true center). They are super balanced and easy to pivot.

Late last season I finally got them in true 3D snow- maybe something like 6 or 7 inches of snow on top of hardpack. I couldn't get them to float even at high speed. They just wanted to drive on the hardpack layer underneath.

This hasn't been an issue for me in other skis around this width even at mount points that are as far forward as -5 from true center. (For example, the Moment Deathwish 104 is happy to float at -6)

I'm ~200 lbs, so perhaps in this specific ski shape I weigh too much for them to float mounted where they are at +2.

I'm contemplating moving them back to the line or mounting at +1. I guess it would be a major bummer to get them to +1 and figure out that I wished they were further back still...

Even on the rear line, the Enforcer 104 is a mediocre floater in deep snow, especially denser stuff. It’s a fairly stiff ski with a stiff-ish tail. I could see where shortening the shovel and elongating the tail would make them even more resistant to floating in deep snow. Also, they aren’t very loose in deep 3D snow either, so a more forward mount would likely exacerbate that sensation, too.

I’d recommend going back to the line, but I understand that may affect the ease or agility of the ski in firmer conditions.


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Originally Posted by Bandit Man

Even on the rear line, the Enforcer 104 is a mediocre floater in deep snow, especially denser stuff. It’s a fairly stiff ski with a stiff-ish tail. I could see where shortening the shovel and elongating the tail would make them even more resistant to floating in deep snow. Also, they aren’t very loose in deep 3D snow either, so a more forward mount would likely exacerbate that sensation, too.

I’d recommend going back to the line, but I understand that may affect the ease or agility of the ski in firmer conditions.


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Thanks for the details Bandit Man. I'm always impressed with your nordica knowledge.

Since I made that post complaining about lack of float I have 3 additional days skiing my Enforcer 104 Free in pow, roughly 5-7 inches each day, but at a higher moisture content than what I had issues with last year.

The days I have this year are 9-10% moisture content snow vs the day last year which was super light and probably 4%.

I'm not having issues with floatation in denser snow- which I suppose makes sense because the denser snow is more supportive.

I have no complaints with floatation over the past couple days, and I absolutely love having a metal ski for skiing the early season hardpack that exists in wind scoured parts of the mountain between pow stashes.

I'm going to hold off on remounting for now.

Well, the Canadian Dollar exchange rate and Black Friday sales proved too tempting to resist. 2025 Enforcer 99 (185-cm) en route to the PNW.


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Well, the Canadian Dollar exchange rate and Black Friday sales proved too tempting to resist. Fill in whatever ski en route to the PNW.

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You aren’t wrong. It’s a familiar tune around Black Friday. It didn’t help that I was in Sturtevants yesterday getting some boot work done and got to finally see the revised shape in person. After that, it didn’t take much. [emoji[emoji640][emoji637]]


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You aren’t wrong. It’s a familiar tune around Black Friday. It didn’t help that I was in Sturtevants today getting some boot work done and got to finally see the revised shape in person. After that, it didn’t take much. [emoji41]


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Which Canadian shops do you order from?

The guys who’s name is the same as the famous Coulior in Jackson Hole.

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Alright, I'm bumping this thread to add some notes about mount points.

On hardpack snow I love the 191 E104s at +2 from the line (-6.8 cm back from true center). They are super balanced and easy to pivot.

Late last season I finally got them in true 3D snow- maybe something like 6 or 7 inches of snow on top of hardpack. I couldn't get them to float even at high speed. They just wanted to drive on the hardpack layer underneath.

This hasn't been an issue for me in other skis around this width even at mount points that are as far forward as -5 from true center. (For example, the Moment Deathwish 104 is happy to float at -6)

I'm ~200 lbs, so perhaps in this specific ski shape I weigh too much for them to float mounted where they are at +2.

I'm contemplating moving them back to the line or mounting at +1. I guess it would be a major bummer to get them to +1 and figure out that I wished they were further back still...

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Why not just ski the DW104? I replaced my E110 with the DW. Very few regrets. I think I could push the front of the E110 a bit harder in variable, but I like the DW better almost everywhere else.

I'd put those 104's on the line and then ditch them for something else if they don't work for you there. I kinda expect 104 width skis to float decently, but you're a big guy.

Edit: saw your most recent note. I do appreciate the damp steamroller performance of the Enforcer line.

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The new shapes look really good, except for the 104 with the flatter tail. Not sure why they did that to a pretty great ski.

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Why not just ski the DW104? I replaced my E110 with the DW. Very few regrets. I think I could push the front of the E110 a bit harder in variable, but I like the DW better almost everywhere else.

I'd put those 104's on the line and then ditch them for something else if they don't work for you there. I kinda expect 104 width skis to float decently, but you're a big guy.

Edit: saw your most recent note. I do appreciate the damp steamroller performance of the Enforcer line.

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I love the DW, DWT and the Wildcat.

I got the DW104 intending for it to be a low tide ski because of how much I liked the rest of the DW line.

I find the DW 104 to be more stiff and less damp than the DW. The triple camber does a great job of holding an edge on hard pack and corn and slush, but the ride isn’t smooth for me on icy and coral reef low tide days because of how light they are.

The Enforcer 104 is a much better low tide ski for me and I’m starting to enjoy it in up to 6ish inches or so of pow.

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I love the DW, DWT and the Wildcat.

I got the DW104 intending for it to be a low tide ski because of how much I liked the rest of the DW line.

I find the DW 104 to be more stiff and less damp than the DW. The triple camber does a great job of holding an edge on hard pack and corn and slush, but the ride isn’t smooth for me on icy and coral reef low tide days because of how light they are.

The Enforcer 104 is a much better low tide ski for me and I’m starting to enjoy it in up to 6ish inches or so of pow.

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Interesting. I thought the DW104 was more damp than the 112, but marginally so. It definitely is a stronger ski and can be pushed harder.

I've yet to ski my new Enforcer 94's. We've started off the season with deep snow. I'll get on them next week. Maybe a few laps tomorrow.